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Ramjade
post Oct 6 2015, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 01:45 PM)
I like to think that we are giving advice. But if we do nothing then TS will be misled by others who are giving their Atkins advice on him.  shakehead.gif

Anyway for those that say they rather die than eating plant food, no use wasting time on them, help those that want to be helped. Good effort though.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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By going on all carb food? I better recommend all vege food rather than all carb food. Did you read reviews on amazon by people who follow his program (the 1 star review for his book)?
http://www.amazon.com/The-Starch-Solution-...howViewpoints=0
Did you read the review posted by Tham regarding the dwarf people or how cancer like glioma (one of the cancer which is very aggressive) response to ketones?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25081729
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21673053
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267662/

I am not promoting the Atkins or KD BUT the basics of KD which is not using carbs with combination of lots of vege + enough protein and cancer fighting food.

I believed I have posted enough evidence for TS to make up his mind.

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post Oct 6 2015, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 02:05 PM)
So how is your keto different from Atkins diet. Wait so now you advocate eating saturated fat and oils? Instead of lean meat eat the skin? Eat the pork lard and the fatty tissue?  shakehead.gif
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My keto is simple. Replace all carbs with good oil. Add more vege (vege will not become glucose - cancer fuel) +enough proteins 1 piece of chicken or fish/day (lunch or dinner) and vegetable protein for (lunch or dinner)

You think I promote eating that kind of fat? The only fat I recommend is extra virgin olive oil, Virgin coconut oil, kg eggs. Even myself also never eat pork/beef oil/skin. Too dangerus.

This way, you still can go on keto as the body have no carbs. So forced to use the good oil provided as fuel. Is the basic of keto + semi vegetarian + Mediterranean diet (olive oil and garlic)

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post Oct 6 2015, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 02:39 PM)
Bad example of using a one star review to compare its effectiveness. I can say the same for Grain Brain and Wheat Belly as well. They are also pro KD diet like your diet. Did you look at their 1 star reviews? Its pretty much pointless to argue with you on such level.

So many studies show fats are good, there are also many studies that shows fats are bad. So how do you decide then? Go search on the lipid hypothesis. From Wikipedia:
So the medical establishment has accepted lipid hypothesis as fact. There are only a minority who disagree with this view.
With no carbs you dont have fuel for your body, so they burn fat or worse, your muscle. 
Ohh man classic tactic of calorie restricting to induce weight loss. You better dont add more junk to make it look like facts.
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Simple. Do your research. Read books. Double check the facts, and don't blindly trust someone. I was skeptical initially of KD, no way it can be without effects and can be used for epilepsy, alzehimer. So do a little research. Go back to basic. Read up on metabolism of glucose, metabolism of lipid, ultization by the human brain from places like medscape.Double check with journals (ncbi.nlm.nih.gov) Avocados, olive oil, nuts, essential fatty acids from fish are all good source of oil. Not if you supply the body with constant oil. Muscles will be used last IF only there are no more fats available.That's why muscle is always preserve if one fast. If like that how do you think obese people can go on diet? They sure die already but they don't. Their body burns the fat first.

Follow what ancient people do (Bible, al-quran, mayans) and what other cultures do (Polynesia, Japanese, Mediterranean, Indians). Use them as a source of knowledge. Avoid all man made fat and processed meat (ham, burgermeat, nugget, sausage, butter, margarine). I won't be going into religion here but what is written in those books must have some facts in them despite it being believed only. Take olive oil (Bible) and black cumin (al-quran). The medical world are starting to find out about its benefits despite it have been in the Bible and the al-quran.

If I am on calorie restriction, I better eat carbs as carbs contain lesser calories than olive olive oil, coconut oil. But yet, I am still taking my oil. sweat.gif Everyone knows carbs contain lesser calories than oil. Weight loss was never on my agenda. Decreasing my blood sugar was.

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post Oct 6 2015, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 03:35 PM)
I have done close to 6 months of research brahhh. And I am thriving on my high carb low fat diet. So amazing when you can eat unlimited amount of carbs without worry about getting fat and better yet you are healthier than most of the people around you.  thumbup.gif
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Alright. Don't complain later on if you are lacking vit a,d,e,K dry eyes, and dry skin If you have the time, go do a bloodtest. Hba1c (from there one see if your blood sugar is good the last 3 months.) You don't need to tell us. But just do every year.

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post Oct 6 2015, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 6 2015, 04:36 PM)
Many ppl don't want to change their diet but when the pain get so unbearable and their doctors can't help them , they have no choice but to change . There are tons of videos on Youtube about alternative health and ppl can get confused sometime . Some doctors say salt is ok but some say salt is bad . Some say grain is ok while some say grain is bad . Some say animal protein is ok and others say that animal protein is bad . No wonder the general public is confused .

I like to experiment to see what good or bad for me . I used to get all kind of diseases like chronic cough , neck pain , back pain , foot pain , sore throat and skin rashes . That's when I started doing serious research on healing the body . But still I don't want to change my diet because I really love my food like hamburgers , french fries , coca cola , pizza etc . But one day my foot pain got so bad that I have no choice but to change . Now I'm into plant based diet and once a month I go into 24 hour juice fasting .

To be fit and healthy is  very important . If you are sick and bed ridden , you have zero quality of life no matter how much money you have in the bank .

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Couldn't agree more with you. People love their food too much. Well you need to give something to gain something. You are giving away your health for few moment of "nice taste" if one does Not change his diet.


QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 04:38 PM)
Yes now we have two testimonials of thriving in a plant based diet.  user posted image
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But not a high Carb diet. Vege diet I can accept but high carb diet? No way metabolic diseases will happen in the long run. Too much carbs causes blood sugar to increase which cause increase secretion of insulin. Which overtime causes the body to be not sensitive to insulin. The pancreas will also decrease production.

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QUOTE(icehart85 @ Oct 6 2015, 05:44 PM)
He is on McDougall diet which is high carb diet. Me as well.  user posted image
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I won't say anymore. But check your blood every year. Since switching my diet, I have been doing blood test every year for precautions.
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post Oct 6 2015, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(Empathy @ Oct 6 2015, 08:04 PM)
I often ask myself this question . Did God created animals so we could eat them ? Do humans suppose to eat animals ?

Nowadays it is so  easy to eat animal products . We can buy them in the supermarket or eat them in a restaurant . It is easy because someone did the slaughtering for us . Suppose I want to eat mutton and someone give me a sheep and a knife so I could slaughter the sheep . Would  I be able to slaughter the sheep myself ? I don't think so ... so thats why I give up on eating animals . Might be  different for other ppl but not for me .

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Good words. notworthy.gif I look at this this way humans have been fishing for fish for a long time (maritim civilization) and they cannot depend of vege alone. So they depend on what the sea can give them. Seafood & seaweed. So in a way, humans do eat fish, poultry (chicken) I am sure there are chickens in ancient egypt/china. If we go back further, the males will hunt for food while the female will gather like berries/fruits from the jungle (some tribes in amazon still hunt for food - hence those poison tip frogs are used as a source of poisons). In some part of the world, cannibalism still exist. So if you tell me humans don't live on meat, I will say no. We eat meat since a long time ago. Just that we need to control and go for meats which are prepared in a good way (not deep fried or bbq meat)
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post Oct 7 2015, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(sunnylay @ Oct 7 2015, 10:18 AM)
my dad was diagnosed for colon cancer stage 3 in 3 years back. he removed the tumor in his colon and then we seek for second opinion in 1 private hospital and another 1 special care cancer hospital.

both of the sites advised to proceed chemo, which we finally accepted and choose to go with the special care cancer hospital.

since then, my sibling and i started to google and read many books on the healthy food. my dad stopped to eat pork, any red meat. we made him juice (which contains quite many thing like beetroot, celery, carrot, cabbage, orange, lemon) and also multi-grain juices. he also taking some supplements.

he went through the chemo session and he now maintain a healthy lifestyle, no pork, no oil fried food, no liquor, no smoking, exercise and drink juices everyday.

it depends, as everyone has different case and body fitness.
but always remember that when this kind of thing happen, seek for second or even third opinion to make the situation clear before making any decision. healthy lifestyle and mentally must always positive.
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Actually all 2nd, 3rd opinion will tell you to chemo. Majority of the doctor's don't believe in alternate and off-label use of drugs like metformin for cancer.
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post Oct 7 2015, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Oct 7 2015, 02:20 PM)
Please provide evidence of case where by a person with proven case of cancer got cured of cancer without any surgery , chemo, radiotherapy.

Otherwise it is just a misleading statement.
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Here you go.

First, patients suffering glioma and had surgery but surgery didn't manage to remove all. Traditionally will go for chemo but they took KD instead.
http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/7/1/33

Second, read the first paragraph
http://www.jlr.org/content/early/2014/02/0...046797.full.pdf

Third
http://www.examiner.com/article/texas-man-...nal-lung-cancer
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post Oct 8 2015, 06:01 AM

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QUOTE(iimcrystal @ Oct 8 2015, 01:12 AM)
is herbal life suitable for a cancerous body ?
cause i had a classmate whom drink that before
he gotten skinnier
but once he reached his desire body weight
he fat up again(even though he keep his exercise and eating)

what chemotherapy did she went through?
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Please la. Herballife? MLM. I wouldn't touch MLM products with a 10 feet pole. They might work but they are in for your money. You are better off drinking green (cucumber, lettuce, kale, brocolli, carrot, tomato, capsicum, lemon, turmeric, purple cabbage) vegetable juice. Combine it with the turmeric tea. There are so many ways to get those supplements cheaply. Even stuff whcih can boost your NK cells. (other than transfer factors) No need to burn a hole in your pocket some more. Srirulina, chlorella, turmeric are much more effective ways. Forget about getting spirulina and chlorella from local MLM sellers. If you know how to get online, you save >200% of what you are paying those people. Turmeric without the oil is useless. It will just pass through the body. Nothing absorbed. So up to you what you want to to do.

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post Oct 8 2015, 06:13 AM

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QUOTE(leanneleong @ Oct 7 2015, 11:45 PM)
I know doctors who believe in alternative medicine and about their successful stories.
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Can you write down where are thry located? That way, it might be helpful for people here.
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post Oct 8 2015, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(leanneleong @ Oct 8 2015, 07:22 AM)
The ones i know are in KL.
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Provided the place ey are working.
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post Oct 10 2015, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Oct 10 2015, 10:10 PM)
1. consuming stem cell is scam. what you eat is broken down to substances body can absorb..............simple sugar, amino acids, fatty acids.......it does not stay as stem cell.

2. source of stem cell.........how is that compatible with human?

3. is the stem cell still alive?
scam
scam
scam

not saying stem cell research is a scam, but the product you are marketing is definitely a scam
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One box of product cost rm6-8k. Seller instantly become rich.

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post Oct 11 2015, 06:03 AM

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QUOTE(sportivo @ Oct 11 2015, 12:58 AM)
Ramjade, if you think that Purtier is costly then you should define your prefer price for stem cell therapy.

Just for sharing purpose, Switzerland is charging customer US$30K for stem cell injection therapy.

Maybe you should study and research more on the genuine Purtier product and its real cost and benefits before you shoot blanks with all the wild allegation and pessimistic approach.

Purtier is certified by FDA.
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See injection. There's a big difference between injection and eating. Please la, you want people to buy your product, better be smart a bit la. And those are not deer placenta. Those are if I am not mistaken, stem cells from thr human own body. Injecting a foreign substance will induce rejection except if it's from the patients own body.

Do read up why we don't ingest insulin but inject it in. As slimey said, after digestion, you are getting just proteins. So effectively you are paying high prices for microgram of protein. The protein must be gold to pay so much for it. laugh.gif Stem cells work if they are still alive and able to divide. You tell me, are your stem cells still active?

Rather than paying rm6-8k for false hope, I rather use the money to go for proven stuff with research, change in diet by reducing carbohydrate, consuming more lingzhi (I can easily get how many kg from mountainroseherb), cordyceps, supplementing with high dosage of curcumin (curcumin have proven to be universal Anticancer - only is not absorbed by the body but there are ways around it), reservatrol (high dosage) lots of white tea, high dosages of broccoli sprouts, ahcc, ip-6, regular consuming of spirulina and cholrella. By spending like that, there more than enough left as the most one spend is only about Rm2k and it can last few months if one were to buy everything I listed.

Really? If you trust what the FDA certified then you are better off with chemotherapy as recommend by FDA. FDA even certified drugs which pain and few years down the road hqvebbeen found to cause heart attack.

Despite not agreeing with other people here about the kind of food, but I think we can agree on one thing, diet will help a person very much.

Please la, if you want people to buy stuff, answer the questions posted by slimey. Don't try to con people.

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post Oct 11 2015, 06:19 AM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Oct 11 2015, 01:21 AM)
1. consuming stem cell is scam. what you eat is broken down to substances body can absorb..............simple sugar, amino acids, fatty acids.......it does not stay as stem cell. saying that is stem cell therapy is bullshit

2. source of stem cell.........how is that compatible with human? more bullshit

3. is the stem cell still alive? lel

4. FDA?
there's only 1 stem cell product approved by the FDA and it is hemocord.
http://www.fda.gov/forconsumers/consumerup...s/ucm286155.htm
also, there is not a single clinical trial on stem cell taken orally. your product is scam
scam
scam
scam

not saying stem cell research is a scam, but the product you are marketing is definitely a scam
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That's why there are people who still buy. Believe every word the seller said. Giving the seller free car, free holiday. tongue.gif

 

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