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Ramjade
post Oct 24 2015, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 24 2015, 03:00 PM)
Ramjade,

This is how I determine my ingress & egress position:

Lets take RM 10,000.00. You initially put  5k into KGF and RM 5k into Asnita Bond. This means it is a 50:50 position.

One year later KGF go up to 5,500 and Asnita is RM 5,050.00, total = 10,550.00

You sell KGF and buy Asnita to make it 50:50 again, meaning make it to KGF = RM 5,275 and Asnita = RM 5,275.00

No matter what, you will sell and buy to make the ratio same.

This is how I determine my egress & ingress position.

Xuzen
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Hi,
Thanks for posting. I start to understand a little. Few questions.
1. What about dividends? Usually they are given out how many times a year?
2. The eg given above increases because of dividends in units or increase in value of the fund?
3. Say eg if the fund value increase by 20% but not the no of units, sell or just hold?
4. How often should one monitor the funds?
5. If it turn red, I should buy some more right?

Sorry for asking so many questions. Really noob
Ramjade
post Oct 24 2015, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 24 2015, 03:51 PM)
Answer to:

Q1: F3CK dividend. I don't give a F3ck abt it!

Q2: Who cares? As long as increase who give a f3ck?

Q3: Hold. You sell when you need to use the money to purchase something.

Q4: Red or green, you rebalance to make it the same percentage holding.

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1. So you rebalancing is based on value or no of units?
2. But how to rebalanced without selling anything?
(eg. Fund A and fund B 50:50 (rm10k each). After 6 months fund A increases become rm12000 while fund B only increase become rm10500. To rebalanced we need to sell some of fund A to rebalance fund B right?)
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post Oct 24 2015, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Oct 24 2015, 04:08 PM)
Yes. This is one of the ways I earned money in FSM. Minimize costs when we rebalance our portfolio. Later we can switch back for free into equity funds using the credit points.
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But how to save if you are trying to rebalance say ponzi 2.0, titans, smallest and kgf?
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post Oct 24 2015, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 24 2015, 04:23 PM)
Please read Post #1 THOROUGHLY to understand dividends/distributions and units in the context of unit trusts.
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Already read. But kind of confusing.
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After dividend distribution, NAV price will go down, the fund will become cheaper

Isn't it by buying after a dividend is is given, we get more units/RM? Yes the NAV will drop. But won't the NAV increases again say after 6 months? Then after that you have this statement
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Ok so after dividend distribution, you get some additional units and NAV drops. Then after few weeks if fund perform well then NAV increases to the point where it is back to the NAV before distribution. Doesnt it mean you gain some income from distribution?

So lke that how can one get profit from UT? How can it gained? rclxub.gif
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post Oct 24 2015, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Oct 24 2015, 05:56 PM)
What is UT? It is basically a collective investment scheme. The Fund Manager pool all the unit holder's money and buy into assets. Let's take CIMB Global Titan Fund for example, the fund manager use the money to buy Apple stock in NYSE. Apple stock declare dividend and pay to the fund's bank account. The fund appreciate in value because its bank account increase in money, hence you see the rise in NAVĀ  ( for lay person just call it fund price).

Let's say the price of Apple stock also increase due to stock rally in NYSE, the fund price also rise because the underlying asset ( i.e., Apple stock) has appreciated in value.

This is how the fund gain profit. Hence whether it is dividend or gain in underlying asset price, it does not matter, the price of the fund also increase. We let the fund manager worry about the dividend and what's not. The unit holders just see whether the price goes up or down.

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Ok thanks for explanation. Is a bit clearer now. You said don't sell. Just hold. If one does not sell, how to rebalance? (refering to my previous rm10k example or we pumped in more?)

Also any increase in fund price can be wiped out by a decreased in the fund price right? So like that, isn't it better to cash out the profit before it is being wiped out?

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post Oct 24 2015, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Oct 24 2015, 06:30 PM)
rebalance will depends on the percentages u set for certain region/sectors and it does not mean selling off the entire holdings but to partially switch the gains into the area of loss .
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I know. But Xuzen said don't sell. If don't sell, how is one going to rebalance? Unless one pumps more money inside? rclxub.gif
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post Oct 24 2015, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 24 2015, 07:21 PM)
Let me show u my rebalancing.

My unit trust investments are meant to be my "supplement" to my EPF, i.e. meant for retirement, not savings for marriage or for home downpayment. Hence, I don't "cash out".

Every month I got some savings (salary less expenses)
I park all my savings in CMF

Let's say I have funds A, B, C, X, Y and Z
I designed my portfolio in such way that each fund makes up 1/6 of the portfolio
When my UT portfolio is doing well as a whole (i.e. all funds go up almost in tandem), I do nothing
When funds A, B and C do well but funds X, Y and Z underperformed, I top up funds X, Y and Z to "rebalance" my portfolio
When all the funds screwed up due to market weakness, I top up all the funds
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This thumbup.gif
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But you hold the temptation to cash out when it goes up say 20%?

How about can increase in fund price be wipe out by loss of that fund? Can that happen?

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post Oct 24 2015, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 24 2015, 08:12 PM)
No.

Apa bahasa lu cakap??? rclxub.gif
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Eg, original fund rm10k. After 6 months become rm12k. After another 6 months become Rm90.

Is the above possible? Any way you take to minimise that from happening?
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post Oct 24 2015, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 24 2015, 08:20 PM)
RM10K > RM12K > RM90

??? rclxub.gif

Read the news.
Know what is happening to the world.
Compare the fund(s) that u invest in to its benchmark and its peers.
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Sorry. Typo. Rm9k
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post Oct 24 2015, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Oct 24 2015, 08:24 PM)
Do a Dollar Cost Averaging , instead of 12K , u put 1 k each month to minimize exposure to volatility
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But if say you deposit rm1k/month and it didn't make loss, then at the end of 12 months, you will have >rm12k. Like that, it could fall to Rm9k right?
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post Oct 24 2015, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 24 2015, 08:40 PM)
Then top up 3K at month 13 lor tongue.gif

I repeat - TAKE A LONG TERM VIEW

And adopt a portfolio approach

Chances are that when that happens, apalanjiau fund also made a loss, it could be a market crash.

If u cannot take a loss at all, UT or any investments are not for u.

Rewind back to 2008...is there any funds that are spared?
And have they recovered since then?
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Wah bro, I don't know wei. I only play with FD and Amanah saham fixed price only lei.

What's the max that you you lose before (how many %)
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post Oct 24 2015, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(adamdacutie @ Oct 24 2015, 09:30 PM)
stick to the recommended list ? at least u wont stray too far off the coastline
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And what would that be? From what I have been reading,
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Ponzi 2.0
Titans
Smallcap
KGF
Any others I missed out? brows.gif
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post Oct 24 2015, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 24 2015, 09:50 PM)
Err...I agree with all but this sweat.gif

U will bait people into going 100% into funds like Eastspring Small Cap and Kenanga Growth Fund sweat.gif
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I thought those 2 are among the recommended by pinky and Xuzen? The other 2 being ponzi 2.0 and titans.
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post Oct 24 2015, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 24 2015, 10:00 PM)
But to go 100% into 1 or 2 funds...is suicidal. shakehead.gif

KGF and Small Cap is 100% concentrated in Malaysia.

1. U will miss out on global stocks rally that evades Malaysian stocks
2. When Ringgit kaboom...u will miss out on forex gains u would have had had u invested offshore (this is what is happening now)
3. U will hurt most when Malaysian market collapse due to country-specific factors

Among a few reasons for diversification that I can think of.

I've said it again and again (u weren't listening!!! mad.gif ), u just CAN'T win all the times. Even Warren Buffett screws up from time to time. What u wanna do is, position your investment in such way that u will win in the long run with the least effort.

U wanna rebalance every month and/or chase after returns? By all means go for it...but don't come crying if sales charges eat into your profit and u time your moves wrong (i.e. u quit at bottoms, buy at peaks) rolleyes.gif
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I got it. Do not put 100% into them. Was just confuse because you said will chase people into it. So wondering what's wrong with those 2.

So if I even out between these 4 funds, are they ok or should I remove one of them? Or should I adds some more funds?
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Ponzi 2.0
Titans
Smallcap
KGF


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post Oct 25 2015, 10:18 AM

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xuzen, thanks. So we should set a target of profit say 15% from a particular fund and then sell to rebalance out funds. Am I right?

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 25 2015, 09:58 AM)
Long sold. Its my most profitable holding ever biggrin.gif
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If it is profitable, why sell?

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post Oct 25 2015, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Oct 25 2015, 10:56 AM)
hmm.gif I hope someone can caution you of this 15% ROI......
this % is BEST be included with a time frame.....
just an example...
15% in 5 yrs is not same as 15% in 2 years...when talking abt taking profits
also this asset class / fund may have just + 10% but the others of opposite asset classes/ funds may have -10%.....thus the variance is 20%.

why sell when it is profitable?
maybe b'cos...
Markets Are Getting Expensive?
https://secure.fundsupermart.com/main/resea...SJBlog_20150402
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My mistake. 15% per year. Is that doable for a UT?
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post Oct 25 2015, 12:17 PM

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Thank you people.

I think i know what to do now. Just few more questions.
I am not working at the moment.
1) is the returns from fsm income taxable?
2) assuming (1) is yes, then will I need to declare in income tax or the returns will be auto tax (like dividends from shares)?
3) assuming (1) is yes, if I don't cash out, am I still taxable? (just holding and don't do anything)
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post Oct 25 2015, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 25 2015, 12:19 PM)
No, no and no.
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Nice. Less headache. Free money. thumbup.gif Was expecting yes.

Thank you pinky and others for your time.

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post Oct 25 2015, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(twhong_91 @ Oct 25 2015, 01:41 PM)

Regarding the ponzi 2.0 that you guys mentioned, why i cant seem to find it on FSM?
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Cause ponzi 2.0 is the nickname of the fund CIMB-Principle Asia Pacific ex-Japan Dynamic Fund. smile.gif
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post Oct 25 2015, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Oct 25 2015, 05:46 PM)
besides the few famous equity funds like Titan, Ponzi2, SmallCap, KGF, KAPTRF, I only have one bond fund ATR (10%). enough by having one bond fund in my portfolio?
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I think 1 is abit too risky. As mentioned in few post back, should have 4. That way, you are not dependent on only 1 fund. Say 1 or 2 funds drop, you still have other fund to cover you

This is just my opinion. Better wait for more pros answer

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