QUOTE(sgh @ May 8 2022, 05:09 PM)
It depend on each broker pricing model. Tiger moomoo has this commission followed by platform fee plus the mandatory US related fees. Zero commission fee does not mean platform fee is zero so still need to pay that part
Based on tiger shared in other forum their style was claim approach e.g you given a commission rebate card and then you will use this to apply on the trade you place. Experience shared is not all US stock can apply the rebate so mixed experience but you still need pay platform fee.
Moomoo in contrast is straight forward. Zero commission and zero platform for 1 year after which 0.99 applies for the platform fee. So assume after 1 year it is still 0.99 but moomoo is live data by default no need pay extra to get this
Syfe which I am using is all-in fee no so called commission and platform fee. First 5 free subsequent 0.99. After 3 months 2 free subsequent 1.49. Live data and fractional shares by default
IBKR Spore I just have acct no live data, convert each time pay 2. So while IBKR look to be cheapest the con I found may not suit me. I hate to tie big pile of US dollars in there if I want to save on that 2. No live data can be concern as during trading hours US price jump noticeable. Fractional shares need to enable.
For me I want fractional shares so left Syfe and IBKR as only options. For simple needs Syfe suffice but more complicated needs IBKR better just need get used to their UI
A few things to note:
1. There is one marketing strategy well-known among all MBA students: bundling.
Bundle something that is not needed by customers and force them to buy it/them together with what they really need. You see these too often in your life. Apple and MSFT are "pioneers" in such sales strategy. Apple TV subscription bundled with iTunes subscription bundled with Apple Care bundled with ... or for enterprise customers and student/home users who use Microsoft 365, you probably just need Word, Excel, and PPT, but they will include ... [you fill in the blanks

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Same thing with live data. The way I see it, enabling live data by default is a form of bundling. Long term investors don't really need it. Google Finance and Yahoo finance's live feeds are at least accurate up to 30 s, last I experienced. And they are free of charge (of course you pay indirectly by selling your data to them, but that is whole another story). Seriously, if you hold a stock for 10-20 years, that 30s really doesn't make you lose out unless
a. you are dealing with some very volatile stocks or
b. you only want to hold them for a few seconds (e.g., day-trading) or
b. you are dealing with stocks with very thin volumes and large bid-ask spread at any given time, or
c. you are a hedge fund who needs to make substantial alpha.
And hedge funds all leverage to increase their returns within a very short period of time. They also trade with computer algorithms, which you don't and you can never match, since they have trading desks right inside the NYSE next to the market posts (or next to Citadel's servers in Chicago), their latency truimph your laptop connected from Singapore or Malaysia. NYSE orders' timestamp goes down to the nanosecond last year.
2. In behaviourial finance, researchers found that investors tend to segregate money which are the same on paper as if they belong to different things in their mind. This is what the brokers are playing you with. So they invented terms like "platform fee", "commissions", "all-in fee". You brain thinks they are kind of different, but they are all just fees. They are expenses you need to pay up upfront. Period. The system is designed to confuse you, the customer; to make it difficult for you to compare across the platforms and choose the one with the lowest expense for your trading needs. In academic terms, we say they are trying to make the market information asymmetric.
3. Beware of fractional shares limitations. They have no voting rights, ineligible for subscrption to rights issuances (if any) and other corporate action matters and cannot be transferred from out of IB, if needed.
This post has been edited by TOS: May 8 2022, 08:45 PM