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prophetjul
post May 23 2019, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 23 2019, 11:42 AM)
Morning bros,...

I treat this as an instrument for me to park my money first, while waiting for opportunities to come. There will be liquidity, but you my need to sell over a few days if your holdings are large. You have to buy at a very attractive price in order to be able to 'escape' before the Call and Redemption Dates.

Otherwise, need to wait till Redemption Date to realize your investment. This instrument allows you to park your funds at rates higher than SG's FD rates.

I liken this instrument to our PNB's ASM funds, though there are dissimilar specs. This instrument gives a higher return (yield) compared to the SSB.

And you don't have to wait for the beginning of the following mth to retrieve your funds.

The previous release, Astrea IV allocated just 4k units only per investor at IPO stage.

Astrea IV's ticker is : RMRB.

Ticker symbol for Astrea V has not been assigned yet.
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Hi Bro

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post May 24 2019, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ May 24 2019, 11:58 AM)
Eagle doesn't look good eh

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post May 24 2019, 03:10 PM

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post Jun 17 2019, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jun 17 2019, 08:25 AM)
I m holding ocbc. Thinking to add some. Currently 10.78

Okay the price?
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Think you gotta decide your own price. biggrin.gif

http://www.thesingaporeaninvestor.com/2019...-you-invest-in/

I’m sure you’ve seen a question like this pretty often, “Between the 3 Singapore banks, if you only have money to invest in just one of them, which one should you invest in?”

Other than looking at the current share price movements of the 3 banks, you should also look at the bank’s financial performances over the past couple of years first before making your decision.

In my most recent posts, I have reviewed each of the 3 banks individually – if you have not read them yet, you can check them out by clicking on the respective bank names: DBS | UOB | OCBC

What I’ll be doing in this post is that I’ll be putting the 3 banks’ financial numbers (over the past 5 financial years – from FY2014 to FY2018) side by side, and compare them based on their compound annual growth rate (also known as CAGR for short), and finally, I’ll be looking at the banks’ share prices and current valuations, and do a comparison also to find out at this point in time, which bank is the cheapest.

Are you ready? Let’s begin!

Net Interest Margin (in S$’bil):

FY2014 FY2015 FY2016 FY2017 FY2018 CAGR
DBS S$6.32b S$7.10b S$7.31b S$7.79b S$8.96b 7.23%
UOB S$4.56b S$4.93b S$4.99b S$5.53b S$6.22b 6.41%
OCBC S$4.74b S$5.19b S$5.05b S$5.42b S$5.89b 4.44%
DBS has the highest CAGR (at 7.23%) in terms of their Net Interest Income growth over the years, followed by UOB, and then OCBC.

Net Fee and Commission Income (in S$’bil):

FY2014 FY2015 FY2016 FY2017 FY2018 CAGR
DBS S$2.03b S$2.14b S$2.33b S$2.62b S$2.78b 6.49%
UOB S$1.75b S$1.88b S$1.93b S$1.87b S$1.97b 2.40%
OCBC S$1.50b S$1.64b S$1.64b S$1.95b S$2.03b 6.24%
Other Non-Interest Income (in S$’bil):

Again, DBS has emerged on top for its Net Fee and Commission Income growth, with a CAGR of 6.49%, followed by OCBC and finally UOB.

FY2014 FY2015 FY2016 FY2017 FY2018 CAGR
DBS S$1.27b S$1.56b S$1.85b S$1.51b S$1.45b 2.69%
UOB S$1.15b S$1.24b S$1.14b S$1.16b S$0.93b -4.16%
OCBC S$2.11b S$1.89b S$1.80b S$2.15b S$1.78b -3.34%
DBS is the only bank with a positive CAGR growth for its Other Non-Interest Income over the years.

Total Income (in S$’bil):

FY2014 FY2015 FY2016 FY2017 FY2018 CAGR
DBS S$9.62b S$10.80b S$11.49b S$11.92b S$13.18b 6.50%
UOB S$7.46b S$8.05b S$8.06b S$8.56b S$9.12b 4.29%
OCBC S$7.95b S$8.72b S$8.49b S$9.53b S$9.70b 2.78%
DBS has the highest CAGR when it comes to Total Income growth over the years – at 6.50%. UOB came in second at 4.10% and OCBC came in third at 4.06%.

Net Profit After Tax (in S$’bil):

FY2014 FY2015 FY2016 FY2017 FY2018 CAGR
DBS S$4.05b S$4.45b S$4.24b S$4.37b S$5.58b 6.62%
UOB S$3.25b S$3.21b S$3.10b S$3.39b S$4.01b 4.29%
OCBC S$4.08b S$4.11b S$3.65b S$4.30b S$4.68b 2.78%
DBS emerged on top for its Net Profit After Tax growth, followed by UOB, and then OCBC.

Return on Equity:

FY2014 FY2015 FY2016 FY2017 FY2018
DBS 10.9% 11.2% 10.1% 9.7% 12.1%
UOB 12.3% 11.0% 10.2% 10.2% 11.3%
OCBC 13.2% 12.3% 10.0% 11.0% 11.5%
Non-Performing Loans:

FY2014 FY2015 FY2016 FY2017 FY2018
DBS 0.9% 0.9% 1.4% 1.7% 1.5%
UOB 1.2% 1.4% 1.5% 1.8% 1.5%
OCBC 0.6% 0.9% 1.3% 1.5% 1.5%
Total Dividend Payout:

The following are the 3 banks’ Total Dividend Payout to shareholders over the years:

FY2014 FY2015 FY2016 FY2017 FY2018 CAGR
DBS 58 cents 60 cents 60 cents 143 cents 120 cents 15.65%
UOB 75 cents 90 cents 70 cents 100 cents 120 cents 9.86%
OCBC 36 cents 36 cents 36 cents 37 cents 43 cents 3.42%
DBS again emerged on top in terms of its CAGR in dividend growth at 15.65%, followed by UOB, and then OCBC.

Current Share Prices and Valuations:

The following at the current share prices (at the time of writing), along with their valuations:

Current Price P/E Ratio P/B Ratio Dividend Yield
DBS S$24.89 10.4 1.2 4.8%
UOB S$24.74 9.7 1.0 4.9%
OCBC S$10.84 10.0 1.0 4.0%
In terms of P/E Ratio, UOB has the lowest P/E Ratio (at 9.7), followed by OCBC and finally DBS.

In terms of P/B Ratio, UOB and OCBC have the lowest P/B Ratio (at 1.0), followed by DBS.

And finally, in terms of their respective Dividend Yields, UOB have the highest dividend yields (at 4.9%), followed by DBS, and then OCBC.

In Conclusion:

While DBS has the highest CAGR in terms of their financial results over the years, but in terms of its current price and valuation, it is also the most expensive of the 3 banks, with UOB being the cheapest.
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post Oct 8 2019, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 7 2019, 06:23 PM)
Yes, sorry, did not mention in earlier input,...
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Technically, already broke the last support of 131.

May head down further. The previous low as at 126
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post Oct 9 2019, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Oct 8 2019, 07:51 PM)
Can never catch the lowest, drop more buy more biggrin.gif
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Catching a dropping knife?

Or wait for a confirmed bottom now that the last low is broke? biggrin.gif

Price has broke through the 50% Fib retracement of 127.5.

Now looking at 61.8% of 122.9
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post Oct 9 2019, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 9 2019, 12:30 PM)
Yeah bros,... thing is,... TA is good for trading and for traders.

For income investors like myself, I never used TA much,... unless of course, I am doing forex. Even then, I would hold on to currencies which are good, and buy in when I see a short term dip !
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I use TA only to forecast the falling knives! laugh.gif

This one has broke a few key levels.
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post Oct 10 2019, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(elea88 @ Oct 10 2019, 02:37 PM)
only 1 property in HK nia...
key in GTD 1.20.. see one day got panic sales or not.
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Think it contributes substantially to its bottom line like concentration risk of Festival Walk, which contributes 62.0% of the REIT’s net property income.
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post Oct 14 2019, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Oct 14 2019, 12:19 PM)
Yeah, bro,... I know,... when I saw the way the USDSGD graph dropped this morning upon ann't at around 8+ am, it caught my eye a bit,.. but well, I've said previously that it doesn't easily weaken the SGD,...

But well,... some analysts will hit us in the face now and say it's still early days,.. but I say on my part again : the knee-jerk reaction is NOT encouraging.

I would prefer for the SGD to ease a bit in these times,....
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SGD behaves a lot like the Swiss Franc. Stable
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post Dec 11 2019, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 11 2019, 07:33 AM)
If I tell you my target price is 15+, you want to follow me?
You might need to wait 3-5 years to get that kind of price.
Again do you want to follow me?

Do what you are comfortable. Do not blindly follow people.
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So why is your target price $15?

Sounds like a crash price if anything.
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post Dec 11 2019, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 11 2019, 12:11 PM)
Because if it can fall because of severe oil price in 2015, it can happen again. That was irrational sell down.
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Are you applying the same rationale to ALL stocks?
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post Jan 20 2020, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jan 19 2020, 09:17 PM)
These are not just any bonds. Abysg and Abfmy invest in the local currency government bonds, basically the most boring and safe securities out there.

Super boring and safe that most retail investors ignore them.  For me I use them like a hedge and wealth protection. Same like Gold.

The most important determinant for govt bonds is ithe country interest rate. Where Interest rate fall, then bond prices go up. Interest rate go up then bond prices go down.

In a recession/deflationary environment interest rate will go down. So last year, we had some economic weakness that result in interest rate falling the world over.

Can see the results:

ABFMY: 1 Yr Price gain: 9.25%, Dividends 3+%. Total return of 12+% in MYR

ABFSG: 1 Yr Price gain: 5.84%. Dividends 2+%. Total return of 8+% in SGD.

Not a get rich scheme, but not bad for safe and boring instruments! And unlike gold, it pays dividends.

Tbh I have trimmed down my bond and gold exposure as I've been more bullish equities. But will start to look to accumulate both again for the coming SHTF moment. Just hope it's later than earlier.

And Abfsg is on my to buy list coz 3 year worse case outlook. Global recession and BNPAS wins next GE..
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Thanks for sharing on ABF bonds.

I have held and traded gold since 2002. Without dividends and just holding and doing nought, my gold CAGR is 12% in MYR terms. So pretty good for doing nothing with it.

But this ABF bonds looks interesting.
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post Jan 20 2020, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jan 20 2020, 01:47 PM)
Yes, I also believe in gold. Both are protective, meaning the more things suck, the better they will perform, but they offer a bit different effect.

For gold, u only get price gains and it's volatile. You can get down years and  those years could be terrible years, with nothing to show. So have to be very long term and be patient.

For ABF, you could still get down years but it's less volatile. And while you wait those down years, you get income. For Abfsg, the dividend is higher than SG FD 12 months rate. For abfmy, it's about the same as a Maybank E-FD 12 month rate) but it has better potential for price gain).  Of course longer term, I would expect gold to perform better (Higher risk, higher returns).

What about compare with S REITs vs Abfsg. Again, higher risk higher return. Obviously Reits will have higher potential returns. Abfsg holds  bonds, issued and guaranteed by Singapore govt. That's triple A rated stuff. Higher than US Govt. Low returns but best for SHTF economic disasters.
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My approach to SGD is different. I am not willing to invest in SGD assets with a return of a meagre 1.5 to 2%. I looked at the ABFSG price trend over the years. The returns is quite awful

The reward/risk with SREITs beats this ETF hands down.
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post Feb 3 2020, 08:41 AM

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Anyone watching China market opening?
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post Mar 9 2020, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Mar 9 2020, 12:37 AM)
Wait for the support level to be broken... It might happen sooner with the contagion caused by the failed OPEC Russia oil deal. But let's see...
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Broke like hot knife thro butter! laugh.gif
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post Mar 9 2020, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Mar 9 2020, 09:46 AM)
Yes, now already sliced thru 22.5 level, now hovering around  22.00 and  testing the support level.  Even if recovered at the end of today, don't think it can hold over the week(s) ahead...

The contagion effect from the oil deal do not affect just the oil counters....
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Yes. Will be like 2016 all over again, with oil companies under stress. Except this time round, the expansion is lesser than that of the crazy 2014 years.
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post Mar 9 2020, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(markedestiny @ Mar 9 2020, 10:22 AM)
Maybe, but this time is different, i know it sounds cliche  tongue.gif

Beside this, we still have the black swan event virus happening and see no sights of the pandemic being under control.

I foresee that we could have a protracted global slowdown for 2 or more years, so I would only  buy stocks with  disposable income, very selectively of course,  otherwise I am happy to stay at cash position now.
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That's good advice. thumbup.gif
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post Mar 12 2020, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Mar 12 2020, 10:26 AM)
He say not low enough
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DBS at $10 will be nice! laugh.gif
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post Mar 12 2020, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 12 2020, 01:23 PM)
I also regret didn't sell some stocks when profits were ~18% .... now negative already.

should have put trailing stop loss order to lock in profit...
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Hindsight is...……..
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post Mar 12 2020, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Mar 12 2020, 01:25 PM)
just learn from mistakes and move on....
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Yes. That's the deal.

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