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mtbk3
post Oct 8 2015, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(sootienann @ Oct 8 2015, 01:04 PM)
did anyone bypass their egr valve ?

one of my friend added a oil catch tank, but he said its not effective because after long time the tank still empty.
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The THP engine has 2 PCV route/hose. 1 is behind the the engine (which goes back to throttle) and 1 is from valve cover to the turbo. When there is boost, the back hose/route will be close off and all your bypass gas will travel through the front route (valve cover to turbo). When there is no boost, which is also majority of our driving style as we dont tekan all the time, the bypass gas will travel through the rear hose to the throttle.

OCC is install through at the front route (valve cover to turbo). I am not sure why you friend's OCC is empty. But it could be because never tekan often. I am not talking about 1 day tekan 2-3 times. I am talking about really aggressive driving where boost is always on and high rev all the time. Because, that is the only time where the engine will route the bypass gas through the front PCV, in this case, where the OCC is connected.

But i was also told by a very experience pug owner that it is not advisable to bypass or delete your PCV or put a OCC. Because the bypass gas to the turbo when you are boosting also serves as a form of extra lubrication and coolant to the turbo when it is on load.

Hope this sharing of info helps.
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post Nov 7 2015, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(speedysam @ Nov 6 2015, 05:53 PM)
have u guys added any day running led on ur 408?
i found 1 below.

http://www.mudah.my/Peugeot+408+DRL+LED-41631849.htm
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I wonder how it would like when install in the car. Any pics??
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post Nov 13 2015, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 12 2015, 11:02 PM)
If you put the vehicle on the dynamometer, I think you should be able to see the torque yields between 4k to 4.5k rpm. Red line is at 6k rpm, if the max torque remains flat up to 6k, depending on the trend of the torque drops, the max hp should be between 7k to 8k rpm but the fact is max hp occurs at around 6k rpm.
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If your car is stock, your max torque on wheel will be at 4500rpm before it dips (doesnt remain flat all the way to 6k). Max hp on wheels comes at around 5000rpm. After 5500rpm, hp will dip and by 6000rpm, is a straight drop. It is not possible to rev until 7k-8k rpm, as the ECU will cut the rev. Is a safety measure to make sure you dont blow your engine.

This is just my car's dyno chart. There may be variance with other 408T because it depends on engine conditions and also the fuel that it used.

Hope this helps.....
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post Nov 13 2015, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 13 2015, 11:06 AM)
Your statement above has accurately described the power band and torque band of 408 Turbo's engine. My above statement was based on the assumption if the engine's torque remains flat all the way to maximum rpm which I think is very unlikely.

Do you still have your dynamometer test report with you? Mine to share with us?
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Here is the Dyno......



Attached File  Stock.pdf ( 92.25k ) Number of downloads: 138


This post has been edited by mtbk3: Nov 13 2015, 12:18 PM
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post Nov 13 2015, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 13 2015, 11:42 AM)
But how can your torque remains flat even after horsepower starts to drop? Unlikely possible. I have never seen max horsepower comes before max torque, but feel free to surprise and enlighten me if you think I'm wrong.

EDIT : just noticed the attached dyno report, many thanks for sharing. I think the max. torque is the graph with the peak at somewhere below 4,500 r.p.m., and the max. power is the one with it's peak at somewhere below 5,500 r.p.m.. Which I think your initial description is correct.

May I know did they perform the run with the transmission in D mode or manual mode (which gear)?
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I am sorry again. I am confusing myself rclxub.gif sweat.gif rclxub.gif doh.gif sweat.gif rclxub.gif doh.gif Yes, my first description is correct.

I have edited that post to avoid spreading my own confusion to other readers. Truly sorry for that.
(Perhaps you should edit yours too. To keep the thread clean and free of my confusion. Paisehhhhh)



They dyno it on 4th gear (manual mode)
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post Nov 13 2015, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 13 2015, 12:27 PM)
OK Sir, edited as per Ur advice.
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Thank you.

OMG.......Something is wrong with me today....Blur and confuse like f***.......So sorry ya....Wanted to help but ended up i confuse.....LOL sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif

Hopefully whatever i provided will be helpful......
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post Nov 13 2015, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 13 2015, 12:37 PM)
It certainly is very helpful and don't mind the confusion.

I hope your 408 Turbo has been performing great.

Have you had any issue with the fuel pump, timing chain, air-conditioner compressor, or engine coolant temperature sensor?
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*touch wood* My car is running great. I havent had any of the problems u mentioned. And i hope it doesnt happen.

Only problem i have is just some minor QC problem....But all solve already.....

Only issue i have now is the turbo wastegate rattling sound due the free play. Its annoying me. But i was told it is a normal. It happen when you rev and then let go the throttle. As the revs drop, you can hear that "klik klik klik klik" sound......

Other than that, my car is great........love it.....
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post Nov 13 2015, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 13 2015, 01:02 PM)
I see non mechanical issue as minor issue. Good to hear that you have not encountered any,  tongue.gif touchwood tongue.gif

With regards to the turbine wastegate, do you mean linkage issue?
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No la. Just the "gate" has some freeplay. So it rattles.....
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post Nov 16 2015, 09:31 AM

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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Nov 13 2015, 05:01 PM)
Appreciate you sharing your stock dyno. Quite interesting to see how a Peugeot engine performs.

The choice of transmission does indeed affect the output of power and torque.

In comparison, a stock Golf mk7 tsi of similar turbocharged engine capacity outputs these sort of numbers.
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This is my first time seeing a dyno where the figures on wheels is higher than on paper (crank). Maybe a more knowledgeable person or a experienced VW owner can explain how does this happen. Or maybe it is just a simple case of under declare the power output on the brochures.

But one thing i know for sure is that the DSG is really efficient. I saw my friend's roc 1.4 tsi stock dyno, it was around (if i remember correctly) 150hp and 230nm on wheels (stock is 160hp and 240nm). The transmission and mechanical power lose is so little. Very impressive. Which translate to a better base power figure to start off if they choose to mod it. But anyways, thats a VW.
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post Dec 1 2015, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Dec 1 2015, 01:36 PM)
I think those with ECU remapping & race chip experience will be able to help you better.
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Never found the need to rev over 4k rpm at Neutral. Will try later if and get back to you. But when driving, cant rev more 6500 rpm (i cant remember exactly). ECU rev cut.

Hope this help.
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post Dec 2 2015, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Dec 1 2015, 07:30 PM)
Tks for your feedback bro. I too never had the need to rev during neutral, a bit confused why anyone would want to.

Redline cut off is as you know to prevent  cooking the Prince! Anyway, love my Lion too much to stress her that much!
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Ok. I have tried it. Cant go pass 4000rpm. To be exact, it is around 3800-3900rpm......
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post Dec 3 2015, 10:11 AM

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QUOTE(speed.demon @ Dec 2 2015, 08:22 PM)
wouldn't revving at 4k RPM in N screw up the gearbox when you push it into D?
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Yes it will. Hence i didnt put it to D straight. I let the rev come back to idle then only engage D.

Was just doing it to verify the point made by a fellow forum member.....
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post Dec 9 2015, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Nov 25 2015, 01:49 PM)
Manufacturer says the Vmax which is 215km/h, is limited by the ECU.

5,300 r.p.m. at 6th gear is equivalent to about 221km/h according to the calculation from the manufacturer's data given. I believe if it's not due to the limitation from the ECU, it could have gone faster.

Mine to share which part of the expressway you were running at that speed? North-South Expressway between Seremban to Malacca? I find it's difficult to drive at that speed on two lanes only freeway unless the time required to achieve the Vmax is shorter.
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I have never tried bringing my car to Vmax on the road. Too dangerous. Our road also not to say the best.

But when i dyno, i saw the speedo go more than 215kmh.

So....something for your guys to figure rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

I also dont know why it can go beyond the stated 215kmh limit......I have not remap or done anything to the ECU.....
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post Dec 10 2015, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Dec 9 2015, 05:15 PM)
Any car on the dyno performs better than what is claimed. U might want to put into account the resistance factors during high speed driving on the road.
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From my understanding, it is LIMITED BY ECU. So it doesnt matter on what condition you are in, so long as you can or IF you can reach 215kmh, the ECU will kick in to cut power and restrict you to go any faster. That is my understanding when they say LIMITED BY ECU. Feel free to correct if i am wrong or misunderstood the LIMITED BY ECU term rclxub.gif

Unless you are telling me that on the dyno, the LIMITED BY ECU is switch off or automatically turns off, then i am really not sure shocking.gif shocking.gif Because it went more than 215kmh for sure on the dyno.
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post Dec 10 2015, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(J1@l_ l_l l\l @ Dec 10 2015, 11:34 AM)
I think you're absolutely correct on the term "limited by ECU". I actually made a mistake forgetting this when I was quoting  doh.gif. Stupid me, I apologize.

So, if the manufacturer says limited at 215km/h but it goes beyond 215km/h, could it because of the limit not triggered by wheel speed sensor but other sensors like transmission load sensor, engine load sensor, or engine load relatively to vehicle speed?

Was the dynamometer run performed on the 6th gear?
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Honestly, i have no idea why it is like that rclxub.gif rclxub.gif Maybe the brochure tipu?? I also tak tau. If somebody has gone more than 215kmh on the road, then at least we can verify it.

And yes the car is on 6th gear. Have to be at that gear to go Vmax.
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post Dec 15 2015, 11:23 AM

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QUOTE(SKYjack @ Dec 15 2015, 01:10 AM)
Thanks for your honest feedback. When so many jumped on coating, I did not, for some reason. Then started to feel very guilty when some posted photos of their shiny car, very impressive! I still didn't do it cos I felt it would be quite laborious trying to keep it clean. My efforts were directed more towards the mechanics of the car!

After reading your post, at least I don't feel so guilty... smile.gif Tq!
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Ermmmmm....I did my coating and it is coming close to 2yrs already. And my coat is still good. Of course scratches is inevitable and coating is not scratch proof. Coating is just meant to make the car look cleaner for a longer period. Example, i wash my car every week and everytime after wash, it really looks like it just got polish and waxed. Also, water doesnt stick to your car that easily hence reducing the watermarks. Also, stains and dirt all comes off easily.

But then again, you still need to take care of it after coating la. With coating, it doesnt mean you no need clean your car and take care of it. And every now and then, must go for treatment to sort of like replenish the coat.

But again, each to their own la......
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post Dec 15 2015, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(Ladbrokes88 @ Dec 15 2015, 12:10 PM)
Coating is like applying lip gloss to your car paint, and of course with 9H hardness can reduce stone chipping.
my car coating done during the 1st month of ownership. But of course i always send my car back to the shop for car wash (purchase own Meguairs car shampoo), sometimes wash at roadside.

My car is 2 years 5 months old, still looking glossy and new!
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Agreed.....
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post Dec 16 2015, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(Termibait @ Dec 16 2015, 12:30 PM)
True also. Back to the lasting effect. It is varied due to few other factors such as car is parked at covered carpark mostly, how frequent the car is used(some people just drive to office,park under covered carpark and drive home when sun is set.) My car is almost 85000km now with 3.5years ownership. Car is not parked under covered carpark mostly due to nature of work. Cant afford to wash car on weekly basis. More over car paint is in white. sad.gif

Once u missed out that weekly wash, dust started to penetrate the coat which makes it hard to wash off. Thay is why i find it troublesome. To keep the coating, i cant wash off the black color on the coating. The water beading effect is there but it looks okd and dirty. To wash it off, i have to press harder when washing which will make the coat gone due to minor scratches when pressure is applied.

Conclusion is troublesone to maintain than before coating.
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I am not sure about the coat you use. But my car also park outdoor and also is white. I dont seem to have the problem of getting ride of the black marks and water marks you mentioned. Dont think dust can penetrate it that easily though. Other stuff perhaps la. Just water and soap, then all get rid already. The water beading effect will lessen eventually and the shine also. That is when you must go for the treatment. I used to wash it every week but the past few months, is like 2 weeks once due to shitty weather and also busy. Still good though.

But again, each to his own la...... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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post Jan 29 2016, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(vemaltech @ Jan 29 2016, 12:34 PM)
High pressure fuel pump issue haven't solve yet? The fuel pump manufacture by Bosch? How much it cost? Hw to prevent it from getting faulty?

Attached pic how the HPFP look like....
Pump attach to engine
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Hi guys. Just curious. Our car has how many fuel pumps?

Is there 1 in the fuel-tank?
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post Jan 29 2016, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(vemaltech @ Jan 29 2016, 03:54 PM)
HPFP cost Rm1500 outside......

1set with turbo kit cost Rm5500 frm German.

No oem HPFP available in the market

Similar issue found in Mini Cooper R56 which HPFP fault....
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Ok. Thanks for the info though.

But my question was how many fuel pumps our car has? As far as i know, there is 2 right? One in the fuel tank and one on the engine. Please enlighten me icon_question.gif icon_question.gif

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