USD/MYR drop, V2
USD/MYR drop, V2
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Sep 9 2015, 12:11 PM
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Believe the gomen need as much myr out from petronas US$ income fot is expenditure, will allow myr to slide further. As current inflation rate is low, is acceptable to rise. Bnm is unlikely to take any action I.e increase opr until inflation rate is high. By then increased in opr will kill 2 birds with 1 stone. |
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Sep 9 2015, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE(sam@bpp @ Sep 9 2015, 01:08 PM) Parent's should have pre-plan like having an Foreign currency account to hedge currency and save cost of TT. Child's education plan in terms of endowment plan, unit trust or invest in foreign currency funds would able to help as well. Unless the parents are rich, of course. About 30% of gomen budget is from petronas.More debts to follow 'Quote from Fund manager': If government still over relies on Petronas, with the oil price remains at USD50/barrel, it will be bad for Petronas. Real bad. |
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Sep 10 2015, 02:23 AM
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Sep 11 2015, 02:37 AM
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 10 2015, 10:21 PM) I think over the years, many surprises hit us. Who predicted the oil price caused havoc last year ? I am sure there will be continued surprises unfolding in the next few months. Just when we thought US$ will continue its uptrend, suddenly a surprise will hit us and the tide changes 180 degree. Never know. Too many such surprises we encountered in the past QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 10 2015, 10:35 PM) Too many. Nobody knows. Everything is possible. People used to say holding cash is not good, inflation will eat you up. But nowadays, holding cash in foreign currencies makes lots of money (in home currency term). Despite sitting in the account earning 0.xx% interest. It is the so called "investment" that may eat you up. Not inflation anymore. But the next day, if something happens, suddenly tides turn. Very volatile market. Good for high risk taker. Bad for low risk taker. Maybe just do nothing is better. This one I learn from Zeti QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 10 2015, 10:41 PM) That's right. I always wonder how high the US$ can go to a point it won't hurt its economy. There must be a limit. If not, their exports will suffer. And unemployment will increase. If they raise interest now, it will hurt their export further. Interesting to see how far the USA is willing to test their limit. QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 10 2015, 10:53 PM) Well the way I look at it, US is crying wolf about hike in interest to attract back USD. Most likely I am wrong. Economic long term equilibrium always prevail. Most people have half understanding of economic and often the wrong half e.g the effect and fallout of US QE on gold price, kv property price, US interest rate, etc; China economy data on commodities price, etc.Current onslaught on commodities and MYR started in 2014 and most people chose to ignore. US$ is expected to remain strong and stable in the medium term. Unless one intend to trade US$ forex, need not hold US$ in cash. If one is unfamiliar with US stock, can consider ETF like DIA, SPY and IYR. This post has been edited by icemanfx: Sep 11 2015, 10:55 AM |
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Sep 11 2015, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 11 2015, 06:25 AM) Yallen has a lot to worry about. Too many stakeholders will be affected by her decision. Even people in Malaysia are affected Fed is responsible to the US, unless the aftermath of international reaction has negative impact on the US economy, it is not Fed's concern. |
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Sep 13 2015, 04:01 AM
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 12 2015, 06:59 PM) usd/myr 4.30. then... 4.5, 4.7, 5.0 or 4.0, 3.8, 3.5? perhaps can look at other battered currencies of comparable nations - emerging market, commodities based, high corruption, high debt. from this list, some currencies are either too different or too strong to compare. but look at south africa and mexico. and brazil, turkey. against usd: brazil -65% turkey -37% south africa -35% mexico -27% msia - 35% brazilian real due to national oil company corruption scandal is now rated junk by global agencies, so it is among the worst in the world while rm is worst in asia pacific. mexico and south africa like msia are at risk for rating downgrade. of course, there are many other factors. question is which ones will really help the rm and which ones can drive it further down? i would think if a rating downgrade comes, rm will go to 4.50 if everything else remain unchanged. QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 12 2015, 08:24 PM) If we take Brazil as the rock bottom, then RM will fall to a maximum of 5.2 to "achieve" -65%. About RM0.90 to depreciate. The show still can run on for quite a while Petronas report directly to the pm. There is nothing to prevent something similar to 1ndb happening at Petronas.This post has been edited by icemanfx: Sep 13 2015, 06:13 AM |
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Sep 13 2015, 06:16 AM
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Sep 14 2015, 04:46 PM
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Sep 19 2015, 11:38 AM
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Whatever the gomen like to claim, the country is heavily relied on commodities (O&G and palm oil), hence MYR forex rate is tracking commodities price. Every country will go through the up, down, survive and won't bankrupt like a company or individual person as the gomen could print RM (inflation is another matter). Given current gomen financial discipline, bloating opex and leakage, expect more and more tax will be imposed on the people. Effectively, businesses and employees will be working for the benefit of the gomen. Except those at the very top, few people on the street will have excess funds. GDP growth in the last few years was partly fuelled by easy credit, a fallout of US QE. Given gomen austerity is unlikely, banks will be directed to buy more gomen bonds and consequently a reduction in market liquidity is not unexpected. Gomen borrowing is currently limited by laws to % of GDP, GDP growth could be determined by gomen budget, and GDP will growth with gomen borrowing regardless. Believe the country economic model is changing and will be different from now in a few years time. |
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Sep 19 2015, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE(MGM @ Sep 19 2015, 10:02 AM) Hope u are not talking down the country, so that u can buy it cheap later. Property is seen resilient because it is illiquid, price could take years to adjust.Like I said I believe our econ will be down but not out. I believe properties will be more resilient than other assets becos of material cost. I am thinking if the econ is down, I will channel my liquid funds into properties in places popular with tourist for income. Mysia will be an attractive cheap place for foreign tourists esp Sporean. I am also waiting for the confirmation of HighSpeedRail project whether to make use of my land for tourism purposes. |
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Sep 20 2015, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 19 2015, 10:15 PM) MGM, Gomen budget is in myr, petronas income is in us$, over 30% gomen budget is depending on petronas. To compensate for falling oil price, the gomen allowed myr to depreciate to meet budget. as oil price is unlikely to rise in the medium term, gomen is likely to allow myr to depreciate further,Yes, but the impact on Malaysia is buffered by DEFICIT SPENDING by THE GOVERNMENT. That was financed by Oil Money. This time even Petronas is short on cash flow and has to spend its reserve. So, do not count Oil Money to bail Malaysia out this time. Dreamer Anyone invested overseas for over a year gained in myr, be it stocks, property, etc. |
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Sep 20 2015, 01:32 PM
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Baby boomers in sg may be ageing, this is a reason sg is accepting more young migrants from mys, chn, Idn and Ind to maintain the momentum. Sg is probably the only country that the west could rely on, hence MNC, banks, etc will continue to have their regional HQ there. With current political party in power, more Malaysian will keep their saving in sg like indon during Suharto era. Myr Forex rate with SGD will continued to slide until there is a change of gomen. |
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Sep 20 2015, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Sep 20 2015, 04:43 PM) influx of migrants have problems too.. singapore will lose their identity. Also, businesses and real estate will collapse as less spending within singapore as migrants save to send their money overseas. The local economy suffers too... Country identity is dynamic and adaptive. Unlike foreign workers, migrants will buy property and settle down in sg. |
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Sep 21 2015, 12:52 AM
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QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Sep 20 2015, 12:56 PM) U.s is one of the few countries in the world that is self sustaining in natural resources. Many countries include China, Japan, e.u are heavily depending on export to the u.sDespite trillions of US$ was printed during q.e, US$ is stronger than a few years ago and likely to remain strong in the medium term. Fiat money is certain won't about to end. More like gold price will stay depressed for many years. |
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Sep 21 2015, 03:48 AM
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Malaysia may have recovered from 1997 financial crisis but previous compatriot like Korea and Taiwan pulled ahead.
Current gomen have a habit of pledging one policy but practicing another, is likely to leave the country further behind. Before 1997, USD was 2.5 to myr, it won't be a surprise myr will maintain at myr 5 to USD in a year time. This post has been edited by icemanfx: Sep 21 2015, 03:52 AM |
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Sep 21 2015, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 21 2015, 08:46 AM) Showtime747, Most malaysian are influenced by herd behaviour, blind by greed, trapped and refused to listen to alternative opinion.Why argue and debate?? We will know soon enough. Malaysia had ran out of Oil Money. We will know soon enough whether Malaysia can recover without Oil Money. My goal was to save as many people from this sinking ship. A) If people do not see this by now, they had done nothing to prepare for this. It is TOO LATE... So, why argue?? B) If people had seen this, they would had done something. I do not need to tell them. In summary, I wish people best of luck. Dreamer Oil revenue will increase eventually, the issue with our gomen is expenditure will increase much faster than revenue. More and more gomen borrowing, guarantee will be off budget. Malaysia will certainly recovered to pre crisis status but falling behind neighborhood countries. This post has been edited by icemanfx: Sep 21 2015, 10:21 AM |
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Sep 21 2015, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Sep 21 2015, 10:34 AM) icemanfx, Oil is a commodity, commodity price is cyclic. It seems o&g reserve off Sabah is very substantial, the gomen is keeping it close lip as don't want sabahan to ask for higher loyalty payment.It will not. Malaysia had reached peak oil production a few years ago. So, even if the oil price did not go down, Malaysia will have less oil money. Dreamer |
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Sep 21 2015, 10:57 AM
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Sep 21 2015, 11:58 AM
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Sep 21 2015, 01:44 PM
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