hi bro this might help abit u can try read 1st
https://forums.tomshardware.com/faq/cpu-ove...inners.3347428/

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This post has been edited by djandrew: May 8 2020, 01:34 PM

Hynix DJR will be the new B-die?


Source: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/MEG...#support-mem-31


Source: https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Memo...reme_200507.pdf

Local pricing for ASUS Z490 mobos announced and now opened for pre-order with ROG Gladius mouse as free gift.


This post has been edited by owikh84: May 11 2020, 12:15 AM

from info
MY all da ROG boards available.. EXTREME, FORMULA, HERO.. and some APEX boards...

THe issue now is the ETA on the 10900k or KF...

sorry no apex board...

extreme, formula, hero, Strix E/G, TUG PLus, Prime Plus, Creator 10g..

My source says Apex is coming but in very limited unit.
Extreme $750 - RM 3429
Formula $500 - RM 2409
Apex $420 - RM 2025
Hero Wifi $400 - RM 1986

10900K no ETA yet, but hard to guess the price cos back then 9900K was launched here at RM2.8k while 9900KS @ RM2.4k.

err apex should be same as hero no..?? 🤔so most of da pricing will be mrsp usd x 4.3+gst + another rm50-150

hero vs formula.
is that extra two phase going to matter in this country climate ..
and seeing that the extreme has a fan mount for the vrm which is same as formula.. so means formula needs active cooling aka water.. ??
what i dont like about da formula is limited pcie 1x/4x slots.. cause i tend to use soundcard/sata card/extra nic etc.. also hero based on website spec.. theres a switch for the two of the m.2 whether u want from pch or cpu..

also will asus purposely nerf hero or even formula bios in favor for extreme/apex.. they done this in the past for memory training etc..

for retailers.. u buy mobo now in advance.. if da cpu u want comes only later in limited quantities.. then they say only bundled with mobo or full system.. (i expect the former).. then how?? all holding shiny new z490 preorder and cant even get the cpu..

only reason i am looking at intel cause lazy to reinstall windows since using intel raid...

cpu pricing i dont think will be crazy.. fence sitters will just shift to amd if intel cpus are priced aggressively.

also da rumour mill the z490 chipset can support pcie 4.0.. sure or not.. amd has to die fab the thing smaller.. uses more power.. and pch gets hot and needs active cooling..

my wc cooling in this country on moderate ac.. can handle 300w of cooling for cpu provided the die/ihs is big enough to transfer the heat.. 10900k i am very curious on this aspect
no ac .. all arnd 1.25v
8700k 5ghz 70s.. delid
9900k 5ghz 80s.. delid
10900k 5ghz 90??? skylake architecture tends to have leakage above 80.. so overvolt might be neccessary for long term but there is a fine tuning between vcssa/vccio for this also..

This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 11 2020, 08:49 PM

So the two of you already seem to be quite committed. Wow.

Motherboards seem to be really lovely this time, lots of tweaking options n very good components.

Regarding DJR I haven't read anything about it yet, but looking at it, it seems to me that they might not be able to tighten timings on lower frequencies. But for Intel it seems to be a nice alternative. What's the availability & price on these locally?

Actually no.
Navi high chance will require pcie 4.0 and if ampere specs are true.. they might go pcie 4.0..
Amd current cpu ipc has a 10-15% lead (3950x ipc is faster than 3700x cause of cache etc and how infinity fab works with ram)... thats y u see a single threaded 5ghz 9900k almost equal to a 4.5ghz 3950k in cinebench..

Its reason for loss in gaming is because of latency via its infinity fabric.. but its been getting better and better since 1st gen ryzen.

But y multi core important. I record my video in 4:4:4 and frequently upload/dowload max 200/800 mbps.. on my 10900x just doing this can use up 20% of my cores and with the record and playing vermintide.. it can hit 70%..Sometimes theres remuxing/audio with unrars going on the background from rared tvshows/movies to transfer to my plex via network.. this already hitting 1gbps.. and makes cpu load even higher. ..

So amd 3900x/3950x should be superb on this. The reason atm is the cost of those mobos put alot of ppl off. But if intel think they can price z490 like x570 and have a lack of supply for 10900k.. theres gonna be more ppl buying into amd.

Ram overclocking is a few weeks/months phase. Most ppl dont care.

Look at this vid


So the review boards for 10900k is the m12e and gay Extreme Ultra. Both cost more than the cpu. Its beginning to show that this cpu oc needs a crazy vrm..
Also they didnt ship out any i7 as thats just a 9900k..so that means even on oc wont differ much.. so that kindda gives you a preview of 10900k binning.. its not that much of a diff ..

These are already signs.

Also here are dumbest youtubers who know shit about intel cpu and benching


Y is he a dumb ass. A 9900k 5ghz is arnd 2200. Cinebench scales very good on intel skylake and current 2nd gen amd.
So a 5ghz 10900k is arnd 2750 and each .1 increase is arnd 60 depending on mem bandwidth/latency. 10900k has higher bandwidth and more cores so should be arnd 75-80 so 3k cinebench about correct for 5.4ghz So no idea y this dumbass is disappointed. Its EXACTLY as expected.
What i am curious is that 23xx score. Its not 4.8ghz all core. If was to guess its arnd 4.4-4.5ghz.. and thats about right to comply to a 125w tdp...

Y isnt intel going head to head with amd on cores with multi die.
Intel beliefs in all core one die. Amd took a gamble with first gen ryzen with infinity fab and its paying off big time. They are doing smaller fabs on the die fab but bigger nm fab on the infinity fab.
Alderlake suppose to counter this with 8 main + 8atom cores. However i think the single threaded ipc gains cant compete with ryzen or even sub skylakes like 9900k/10900k .. so thats y u see a sudden mesh architecture for x299 for work/productivity and z series for gaming etc.
seems like being no 1 for gaming is a must for intel. So until they get the clocks up on alderlake.. wont be seeing any fight. Also afaik these uses lga 1700.. so again z490 aint gonna last.

Ram oc.. ddr5 incoming with two stages clocks... so

This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 11 2020, 11:49 PM

Short story right there 😉
Yeah I'm staying on Zen2 or at least AM4 myself until Meteor Lake comes to light which will be when I reevaluate.

Short addition to your words on IF. Zen3 should get latency further down as there will be 8 cores per ccx eliminating cross talk via IO. So yeah, steady improvement. 3100 cs 3300 is a great preview on this. Shared cache and IO interference vs exclusivity and no rerouting. Now AMD are mostly still compensating with caches.

The intel boards (not looking at the price) are however quite nice. But saying that up there I wasn't implying I was positively taken by the CPU's.

The most exciting thing probably is ASRock making a run again and allowing TDP to be adjusted for 65W chips on non z boards to 125W and by that raising base frequency (hence BFB). Lets see if Intel is allowing it this time. I have a feeling given the competition they might.

This post has been edited by nrw: May 12 2020, 12:20 AM

10900k .. buying or not buying atm is all depends on the mobo price.

Msi shared some binning results. Apparently is 1 out of 3 chance approximately u get a better than spec, spec and below spec. I am assuming they are talking about the all core 4.8ghz/5.3ghz thermal velocity all core boost..
1.2v the avg for 5ghz..

Power/heat 4.8 its already 23xwatts.. in this country thats a bye bye aio. U need a ac and custom wc already.

This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 12 2020, 02:56 PM

edit.. hmm heard open test bench dat 10900k with aio 240 can do 5.1ghz...on a strix.. so u all know who it is..

hmm maybe a hero can handle this.. so wondering now about formula..

also ekwb launched a crazy terminal thing to join its velocity block to the vrm ports .. via bridge..
https://www.ekwb.com/custom-loop/momentum-vrm-bridge/

This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 13 2020, 11:30 AM

10900K @ 5.0GHz ~ 80-87c on 240mm AIO ft. ROG Strix Z490-A mobo.


Only Z490 Extreme supports PCIe4 on the M.2 port.

Source: https://www.cool3c.com/article/153618




This post has been edited by owikh84: May 15 2020, 10:27 PM

oh that one we know why cause that dimm m.2 uses pcie 3.0 atm one from pch and another from the cpu.. so the cpu will lose out on the pcie 16x for gpu
so not surprising it can do pcie 4.0. think it was kit guru or oc3d that mention the pcie 3.0 from cpu...

but the issue for next gen is.. whats the point the dmi will will be 3.0 and the chipset all will be 3.0..

this upgrade part i think no point as we all know what happen with sandy bridge before vs ivy bridge...
z490 nobody gonna use the next gen cpu on this and always intel will optimize some power config that will force u to buy the next chipset...




1 x M.2_1 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)*3
1 x M.2_2 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)*4
1 x M.2_3 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)


1 x M.2_1 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 storage devices support (SATA & PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)*4
1 x M.2_2 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)*5
1 x M.2_3 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)*6


1 x ROG DIMM.2 Module supports 2 M.2 Socket 3 , with M key, type 2242/2260/2280/22110 storage devices support (PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)*2
Intel® Z490 Chipset :
1 x M.2_1 socket 3, with M Key, Type 2242/2260/2280 (PCIE 3.0 x4 and SATA modes) storage devices support*3
1 x M.2_2 socket 3, with M key, type 2242/2260/2280 storage devices support (PCIE 3.0 x 4 mode)


and ahem dat 5.1ghz reference was about ahem that pic... that person claimed.. p95 26.6

This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 16 2020, 12:31 AM

All the manuals for msi and asus are up..


Hmm atm formula looks better .. can run
Two nvme 4x + optane (2x) + soundcard +2hdd

Hero a bit vague atm.

This post has been edited by cstkl1: May 16 2020, 11:21 AM

Hi guys..hmmm.. headache
Is vccio 1.30v and vccsa 1.30v safe??
Running samsung B-die dram voltage around 1.420v (3900mhz 17-17-17-37) 4x8gb
9900k @4.70ghz uncore 4.50ghz (didnt overclock the core speed)
Been tweaking for 8 hours touching this and that still cant get pass prime95 bend stress test for 1 hour, keep on fail before 1 hour then change abit then test again fail b4 1 hour..
Haiz dun give a fcuk ady. Now applying auto voltage for vccio and vccsa which is default 1.30v both.. testing halfway now see how. Damn the heat dumping into processor with these vccio and vccsa voltage me aint liking it..

Update
With vccio and vccsa 130v also fail.. guess is not that issue ady..
Going to lower io/sa to 1.15v/1.20v and increase vcore +0.030mv and test again see now.....hard to catch the cuplrit haiz

Update
I guess its my board limit rather than the sticks.
Board Gigabyte Z390 aorus master
io/sa 1.130v/1.170v
Dram 1.430v
3900mhz 17-17-17-37 (fail)
3900mhz 16-18-18-38 (pass 2 hour prime95 blend test and stop it)- running hci memtest now until 2000% coverage hopefully no error

By the way 4000mhz can boot but aida64 latency result is worst than 3900mhz i still scratching my head over this no clue..
4100mhz confirm cannot boot...

This post has been edited by djandrew: May 17 2020, 03:28 PM

Maximum safe voltage for IO/SA are not really confirmed.
Intel's limit for SA is 1.52v max while IO has not been defined, specs as follows:
Depending on board vendors, typical SA and IO voltages for high-speed (4266-4400) and 4x8GB RAMs should be around 1.30-1.40v. 4500+ 2x8GB would require 1.6v SA/ 1.45v IO at least on ASUS 2-DIMM boards. Make sure to monitor actual reading of these voltages with HWiNFO64 during load because some mobos might have LLC feature on IO/SA that makes them droop at load.

Since you're using Z390 AORUS Master right, why don't you refer to their [URL=RAM QVL]https://download.gigabyte.com/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_z390-aorus-master_191113.pdf[/URL].


Try to replicate the RAM frequency & timings. Maybe 17-17-17 is too tight for your board or CPU IMC to handle. For me, I'd start with 4000 17-18-18 @ 1.35v for a good B-die kit or 18-19-19 for below-average B-die sticks.

Thx bro yeah good idea replicate the qvl list i didnt think of it..
My this new bought ram is galax oc lab master 3600mhz (17-18-18-38)
By the way i have tried 4000mhz 17-18-18-38 but the latency is worst than 3900mhz with the same timing haha. Very weird right? lol.. i reset cmos few times already and is the same result. So i stick with 3900mhz..

This post has been edited by djandrew: May 17 2020, 04:42 PM

It's because you let BIOS to auto-set the subtimings for you.
Mind sharing screenshot of timings on 4000 C17 vs 3900 C17 read by ASRock Timing Configurator?
Oh now I got it, 3900 C17-17-17 should have better latency than 4000 17-18-18 but the former is not stable. How about stability of 4000 17-18-18?

This post has been edited by owikh84: May 17 2020, 05:04 PM