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post Jun 16 2018, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(aegis`- @ Jun 16 2018, 11:05 AM)
https://photos.app.goo.gl/yNvRHUZ5jY39QyS56

Use fixed voltage mode, set CPU Loadline Calibration (LLC) level 1 to reduce the vDroop (load vCore lower than BIOS set).
LLC is already at Level 1 since i started.

Load Vcore lower than bios i cant find this.
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vDroop = load vCore lower than BIOS set
It's not something that you can find in the BIOS setting.
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post Jun 16 2018, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(aegis`- @ Jun 16 2018, 12:11 PM)
Mana cari?
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Monitor your vCore through CPU-Z or HWiNFO64.
Run Cinebench R15 etc.
If your vCore dropped at load, means vDroop has occurred.
If your vCore increased at load, means it's a vDrop.
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post Jun 16 2018, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(aegis`- @ Jun 16 2018, 12:28 PM)
Core voltage stood at 1.344 idle and load.

Ran aida64 stress test all the way the vcore is the same.
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Voltage control seems good with zero voltage fluctuation etc.
Then I'm sure that your chip must be a dud.

To reduce vCore or go for higher OC you will need:

1) Higher tier mobo such as the ROG Maximus X series, expecting -0.032-0.048v reduction compared to low-mid range mobo
2) Custom liquid cooling system, to keep your temp at below 80C mark
3) Delid for further temp reduction, expecting 10C off
4) Get another CPU that consumes lower voltage
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post Jun 17 2018, 08:48 AM

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QUOTE(BroD @ Jun 17 2018, 04:40 AM)
Hi all,

Does anyone here got his hand on 8086K? How does it overclock?

I think it's time to retire my 8700K and buy a 8086K if it is really good. I think I got a lemon 8700K.

My chip
Default VID (Default BIOS) - 1.056V
Motherboard - Asus ROG Maximus X Hero

OC @4.8GHz, 0 AVX offset
-Manual voltage - 1.27V
-LLC - LVL6
-Prime95 version 29.4 Small FFT test - No error (1 hour)
-Prime95 version 29.4 Custom 1344K >95% Memory - No error (3 hour)

OC @5.0GHz, 0 AVX offset
-Manual voltage - 1.34V (Lower voltage will BSoD Prime95 Small FFT test)
-LLC - LVL6
-Prime95 version 29.4 Small FFT test - Error in less than 3 minutes
-Prime95 version 29.4 Custom 1344K >95% Memory - No error (3 hour)

I have tried everything to get it stable @5GHz Prime95 Small FFT test but to no avail. Based on what I've read here, anything over 1.35V for 5GHz is a lemon. Should I try my luck on 8086K? I really want to know how good does it OC. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
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With stock VID @ 1.056v, your current CPU is better than average 8700K already.
So, I would advise you to keep your current chip for good.
8086K won't guarantee 5.0GHz at super-low vCore such as 1.2v etc. It's all about draw of luck and silicon lottery.
Your 1.34v seems overshot that it actually needed. I am guessing that your max core temps must be over 80C+. Delid you chip and put custom loop on it then you will need less than 1.34v.
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post Jun 17 2018, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(BroD @ Jun 17 2018, 12:55 PM)
Yes, the temp is around 90C when running Prime95 small FFT @5GHz and my chip is delidded with Thermal Grizzly Condactonaut. The temp is around 85C @4.8GHz. I am currently using Cryorig A80 which I think should be around the same performance as NZXT or Corsair AIO. Should I change to custom loop for my chip to be considered an average chip and not a lemon😭😭? I saw a lot of members here just getting to 5.0GHz with normal 240mm/280mm AIO. I still wonder how is delidded 8086k perform😂😂😂
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8086K is exactly the same 8700K chip with a single core running at 5.0GHz plus different label on the IHS.
Both should have similar OC potential and gonna require you to hit silicon lottery in order to find a golden one.

BTW, small FFTs is so unrealistic that it doesn't represent stability of routine workload but rather just to test the thermal limit of your cooling. Custom Blend is a much more preferred method used by most overclockers out there. For this run, I demand for a screenshot or it did not happen:

OC @5.0GHz, 0 AVX offset
-Manual voltage - 1.34V (Lower voltage will BSoD Prime95 Small FFT test)
-LLC - LVL6
-Prime95 version 29.4 Custom 1344K >95% Memory - No error (3 hour)

A high-end custom loop like dual 360mm should shave off another 5-10c compared to a 240/280mm AIO cooler. Not so worth it but that's the only way to achieve lower temps/voltage other than delidding.

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post Jun 17 2018, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(BroD @ Jun 17 2018, 01:54 PM)
A screenshot of 3 hours custom blend test @5GHz? I have already dialed down my OC to 4.8GHz. I can give you a screenshot of 1.35v @5GHz though since it fails so fast. I am going into BIOS now.
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Yes, I just want to look at your screenshot of 3 hours custom blend test @ 5GHz. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 17 2018, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(BroD @ Jun 17 2018, 02:04 PM)
Oh, that would take some time lol. Would you think this CPU is a lemon though? 1.36v load and still fails small FFT. This is a screenshot of stock VID. What you meant by stock VID is the voltage shown on BIOS default settings right?
Yes, stock VID is the vCore that you see when everything is default.
So, in your case 1.056v is indeed your stock VID in which is better than any average chip out there (1.1v+).

btw, ASUS has just released a new BIOS 1401 for Maximus X series:

Here's the link for Hero X:
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-MA.../HelpDesk_BIOS/

Version 1401
2018/06/158.31 MBytes
ROG MAXIMUS X HERO BIOS 1401
01. Improved DRAM stability
02. Improve system performance.
03. Updated CPU microcode
04. Updated ME firmware

Will test out soon and report.
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post Jun 17 2018, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(BroD @ Jun 17 2018, 02:33 PM)
Can you suggest a good 360mm AIO? Plan on doing a front push pull setup. Will be doing a 3 hours custom blend test 1344K again tonight and will take a screenshot, with this test my temp is around 60C only though. I am currently using BIOS 1401, I don’t know if it is good enough, waiting for your test result😀👌🏻

Edit: My stock vid @BIOS default is 1.056v but when i disable MCE it goes up to 1.088-1.104v
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Tt Floe RGB 360, but it's not better than EVGA CLC 280 or NZXT X62. These two 280mm AIO coolers even outperform most 360mm coolers including the NZXT X71 and Corsair's H150i based on the reviews I gathered.

Out of the box, my stock VID is always 1.088v regardless of MCE being enabled or disabled. After delidding it drops down to 1.040v, which is -0.048v off.

So, your chip before delidding I guess was 1.056+0.048v = 1.104v am I right? smile.gif

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QUOTE(BroD @ Jun 17 2018, 03:34 PM)
I don't know because I delidded my CPU when I first got it smile.gif. So, based on your calculation, 1.104v should be the realistic stock VID before delid. A lemon as expected lol. Would be nice if you can do a review of 8086K.
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1.104v is not the worst chip as I've seen a 1.184v or more somewhere else before.
My 8086K is not better than my 8700K, it's doing 1.344v at 5.0GHz @ 6 cores but still better than average 8700K at 1.35-1.4v.
I've just sold it two days ago and bought a Ryzen 2700X at RM1299 for 2nd benching rig.
Last minute changing the plan HAHA.
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post Jun 19 2018, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(keyo @ Jun 19 2018, 07:41 PM)
Adoi baru nak mimpi 8086k kalau macam ni cancel lah heehe
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Nasib bro... nasib smile.gif
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post Jun 22 2018, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(djandrew @ Jun 22 2018, 02:35 PM)
hi, wanna ask how about corsair "H100i V2" or "Fractal Design Celsius S24". reviews and comments some say corsair full load works very loud and pump fail very common, fractal very quiet but falls behind corsair in terms of cooling but quality very good.... so confusing.
been browsing these 2 coolers 240mm, as my case not enough to fit in top 280mm.
any recommendation for 240mm AIO?
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From reddit, H100i V2 vs S24: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/...rsair_h100i_v2/

Yes you're right about the H100i V2 (old Asetek design) being easily die within months of usage, just avoid them at all cost.
Celsius S24 has a pump that only moves 80% as much coolant as any other pump.
NZXT X52 is a great cooler but too expensive and overpriced over here (RM 639).

BTW, wrong place to ask I guess. There's a proper section to discuss about cooling here: https://forum.lowyat.net/CoolingandHard-modding
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post Jul 11 2018, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(EarlyBirdy @ Jul 11 2018, 10:28 AM)
Sifus, I'm planning to get a new board for my 8700K (Quite lemon chip i think).
May I know any good board that is good for OC and the only constraint is the CPU itself?

TQVM

Budget 1.5K

PS. normal size board smile.gif
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ROG Maximus X Hero and ASRock Z370 Taichi are good motherboards.

May I know how bad is your chip? biggrin.gif
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post Jul 11 2018, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(EarlyBirdy @ Jul 11 2018, 02:34 PM)
Hi owikh84

Cant hit stable 5 GHz on 1.37 but stable with 2 AVX at 1.31
Haha. Can say lemon but also can say not that lemon?
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Until you find your stable 5.0GHz AVX 0 can't really say.
Average 8700K chip should be able to do 5GHz @ 1.35-1.40v.
More than that (>1.40v), you can consider that's a bad chip.
Decent: 1.30v-1.35v.
Golden: 1.25v-1.30v.
Platinum: <1.25v biggrin.gif

BTW, Hardwareluxx has a great database for 8700K/8086K OC:

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f139/...ad-1178256.html
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post Jul 11 2018, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(EarlyBirdy @ Jul 11 2018, 03:46 PM)
Rip my chip xD

Will get new mobo and try it out haha
But I think I will get the almost same result sweat.gif
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Each mobo has different VRM configuration and sensors, hence you will likely have different OC experience when changing board.
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QUOTE(neverfap @ Jul 11 2018, 05:13 PM)
Is AVX important these days?
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Some software and games like Chrome and BF1 use AVX, so yes.

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QUOTE(JoBigShow @ Aug 11 2018, 06:56 PM)
Hi!
Came out of retirement (stop OC'ing since socket 1151) and got myself 8700K + MSI Gaming M5  biggrin.gif

Woah so many new features since last gone into the bios years ago lol, pretty cool really, with LLC can now be tuned specifically for example.

Managed to stabilize 4.8ghz @1.220v (in bios). A little bump in voltage in CPU-Z because LLC @ Mode 3.
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Anyway about this AVX thing, it's not really necessary for stress test is it? Specifically Prime95, where you can disable it in local.txt.
And what's the point to offset it where in real application 0 AVX machines won't do extreme load like with all the stress test? Perhaps for Benchmarking purpose?
My system requires 3D rendering and heavy Photoshop usage, prefer to keep the clock fully optimize.

Temp is okay, maxed 75~ish Celsius with prime95 Small FTT with AVX disable, over 2 hours. Can do better when I get some liquid metal TIMs like Thermal Grizzly. Using 240 AIO cooling.
With AVX enable straight gone into 95C  wacko.gif
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For me, AVX is necessary to be tested as some of the software that I use and games that I play are using AVX instructions. Chrome and BF1 for example. I want to make sure that all my applications are running at the highest CPU frequency possible, without any reduced speed. Hence, I prefer to have AVX offset to be set at 0.

Also, your daily applications might not cause extreme load but stress test is about the worst case scenario and you could use it test your thermal capabilities. In this case, AVX offset can be used to reduce the CPU temp within your cooling limit.

For Prime95, rather than Small FTT it is recommend to use custom blend 1344K with the RAM capacity stressed up to 90-95%.
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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Aug 26 2018, 07:43 PM)
Hi all sifu,
Idk if im doing the right thing or not . My first time using prime95 sweat.gif  sweat.gif
just assemble 8700k with maximus hero.

First i OC to 4.8 with 1.2V, run cinebench and prime95. all looks good. Then i tried 5.0 @ 1.2V --> BSOD biggrin.gif
and finally i try 5.0 GHz  @ 1.25V and run for few hours still no bsod. but the temp quite hight

Is this the right way to test the cpu?

Nice try but I could see that your prime95 at 5.0GHz is not stable (3 workers has stopped running) probably because of insufficient core voltage.
I'd like to guess the required voltage but first of of all may I know your stock VID? (clear CMOS and check the core voltage in UEFI)

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QUOTE(naqib0307 @ Aug 26 2018, 10:12 PM)
Here my core voltage after clear cmos.

1.104v, good chip you got there.
I'm guessing it needs about 1.296v for 5GHz OC.
Also use CPU Load-line Calibration (LLC) level 6 to minimize the load voltage fluctuation.

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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 11 2018, 11:31 AM)
Hi.
Got stock i7 8700k with scythe ashura (perform like 212 from cm).

Wonder if: 70-75 gaming 80-82 cinebench is ok for room temp w/o aircond.
And one more thing is that with side panel off: everything drop by 4-5 degree cel. Is this cause by inadaquete airflow? Im running 2 front in 2 top out 1 back out. Might swap out front intake FNv2 120mm to corsair ML140 @@ will this help with the temp?
And if i plan to undevolt (until i can afford better cpu cooler): should i use fixed or offset? read on net that offset means it’ll undervolt as well at idle. Harder to get stability while fixed runs at that voltage all the time, am I correct?
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Those temperatures are quite normal for a stock 8700K running on air cooling.
The chip will throttle at 100C and that's the temp limit (TJmax).
Also, 90C during a stress test (Prime95, IBT, Realbench, OCCT, etc) is fine.
Delid it if you're looking for 10-15C improvement in temps and you don't mind losing the warranty.

On your second question, I also think that the 4-5C might be caused by inadequate airflow. Like your suggestion, you may try swap with a better fan to see if got any improvement. Might as well upgrade your cooling solution to a better air cooler or AIO cooler.

For some reason, offset didn't work for me. I've been using fixed voltage all the time. vCore will fluctuate on load/idle according to Load-line Calibration (LLC) in your BIOS settings.
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QUOTE(xFreedomBoix @ Sep 12 2018, 11:27 PM)
managed to get offset to work, with trial and error using LLC haha.
which aircooler would u recommend?
need ram clearance for vengeance pro and preferably not too hard to install haha..
dark rock pro 3 looks really nice, but heard its hard to install and block 4 ram slots lol
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Noctua NH-D15S of course, world's best air cooler.
But make sure that it can fit inside your case because it's really huge. biggrin.gif

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