Hi all member,

Good evening, today i would like to share one of the unhappy dealing experience that happens to me yesterday and today.

The story is like this, yesterday I was offering some members whether they interested about my ARMANI Men Watch AR2434 or not. Some members did replied to me saying not interested or bargain with me the price...However one of the member name : Lehrry replied me that he is interested and request to me for price deduction (Discount) (As per attachment). I resend to him saying that I can offer price from RM250 to RM220 (As per attachment). The he say final price RM200 ba and at last I also agreed with him @ 10.55pm...

But around 1.32am, he replied to me that whether I can do postage or not because he is in JB while at the same time I already asleep (Of course la, what is the time now, no need work meh). Who want to reply him whether to accept his dealing method - by postage during this 1.33 am morning.

Later 4.37am, once again he send me PM me like this:

"if ok with postage, kinda postage tmr

Kayson Tan

Block 2-01-02, Desa Skudai Apartment, Jalan Sejahtera 15, Taman Desa Skudai 81300 Johor Bahru

016-6906969/010-9103939

i will bank in tomorrow, no worry bro, u can post it first (check my feedback), because i not sure what time i wake tomorrow, so if can, pls post it tomorrow first and once i wake i will bank in to u"

After I read with this email, I really want to laugh with his dealing statement: "post first, bank in/pay later".
What the hell he think I will agree under current condition??
Furthermore, why he send PM to me during 1.32 - 4.37 am while i was unable to reply him (Sleeping), Why he cannot reply me after my last replied to him on 10.55pm? why he choose to postpone it until 1.32 and 4.37 to reply the dealing method which i am unable to accept it too if I was not sleeping (Normal member when see such kind of dealing method also will not accept it, but why he still instruct me to post first, this is really cause me to suspect whether he is trying to cheating me or not, everyone also will think like that if this really happen to them...

Who will accept this dealing method - post first, pay later...tell me...
I don't know this Lehrry already did how many times when dealing with people under his unique and own dealing method (Like what he explain that this is his normal practice which request seller to send out the item first and then he will pay later on by the same day...)

Don't you think this is abnormal and unusual dealing method? Only stupid will post the item to him first before receive his money...

Also while whatapps with him, "he keep telling me that he will not cheat me one, What for want to cheat your RM200 watch, you think this is RM200k matter meh, trust me, i will not lie you one, I have a lot of tradelist history and a lot of member dealing with me with the same way"

I start to ask, it is not the trust issue matter, for such postage method, you need to pay the seller first, then only we can ship out the item, but he keep telling me that u post out first, later I will bank in anytime by today one, don't worry. I can pay you as long as you post out the item first by today...

Of course I refuse to do so under his own dealing method and he start to behave like he is boss and said this is not RM200k watch and please trust me by send out the item first, very funny, right?

At the end, I sell the item to one nice, honest and trustful Malay guy (member name: TeChNoLeNs) tonight at 9.30pm. I also offered to deal at his place for his convenient and travel to Subang to finalised the deal. The whole selling experience end up with comfortable environment and TeChNoLeNs also inspect the product (with fast and simple method) before pay me RM200. It only took about 5 minutes to finish the deal and I would like to thank you this TeChNoLeNs for his purchase. You all can check with him if I say anything which is incorrect or untrue fact here...

Finally, I would like to request all the member to beware of this suspect scammer : Lehrry.
Name : Kayson Tan, 016-6906969/010-91039
Address: Block 2-01-02, Desa Skudai Apartment, Jalan Sejahtera 15, Taman Desa Skudai 81300 Johor Bahru

Take care all members...and also take sometimes to read my true story for your own goods and prevent unhappy dealing experience especially with this member...

Enclosed with the proof of PM in between me and this scammer... for your own easy reference...

You all can feel free to discuss about this scam issue here and share your good/bad experience dealing with him if you want...I am ok with it, because I choose to post in this Serious Kopitiam, I expect to share and talk with all of course...

Thanks!




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Yea i ask for post first but u rejected, its ok, then let see this

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And mr mike, regarding ur insult and foul language, what lj. Go to hell, kukubird, father mother everything, why dont even u post out how u talk to ur buyer? Ok, first u are the one finding me back, yeap im still interested and i request for post first and will pay once i wake up, since its too late and i wanna get it by next day, but u rejected the offer from me, ok nvm, the first msg on whatsapp, i did ask ur bank details, and ask u can u post by today? Ur answer no... Then next, i did mention again, if u can post today, i can bank in anytime, why dont u say this ? Huh? Scammer? Pls check all my topics one by one, use ur brain and think, if u dont accept deal then dont deal with me, no need to scold foul language and insult me as scammer

This post has been edited by Lehrry: Aug 27 2015, 12:28 AM

Dont just post one thing only bro

This post has been edited by Lehrry: Aug 26 2015, 11:49 PM


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Pls share all the conversation with screenshot, not saying like this

Pay seller first, then post to buyer. Standard practice rite? If got no trust that seller will post, dont buy. Simple. Never seen people post first, pay later.

That's right, but he insist me to post first, and he say this is his normal dealing method and say "trust" then only will pay me...

What kind of people is this nowadays..!

Firstly he pm me first to ask me still interested to buy... And also post first pay later, yeap he do rejected my deal, so see this msg


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Eh bro, pls post all conversation, and ur foul language , dont just post one with nothing

Hi all, this is the beginning 7 whatapps message image for your reference. Feel free to read and comment it, Thanks!

Let the scammer do the next...






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Then look at the last 3 screenshot, if u can make it today i can bank in anytime, pls explain this

Ex-Buyer of Lehrry stuff here. Had a overall good experience buying the Tab S LTE 32GB from him. I paid him first and he initially offered refund since he was sick for weeks. He managed to come all the way to KL to deliver the tablet to me. Checked on his feedback and there are no cases of buyer being scammed by him.

Frankly, both sides here are wrong to be honest. Lehrry should have paid some kind of deposit (less than 50) to the seller if he thinks that the buyer is not trustworthy. Asking people to post first then pay looks scammy even for me, although I can confirm that Lehrry is a trustworthy seller based on my experience and his feedback. However, MIKE9795 shouldn't have called names and should instead ask for deposit as a guarantee. I know there are lots of scammers that don't pay after receiving product but the best way to do any transaction like these is to arrange a meetup and do a COD instead of banking and posting. This applies to any transaction with someone you don't know selling/buying and it had been said in the forums many times.

I hope both of you resolve your issues with this transaction but I can say that Lehrry is definitely not a scammer and if you don't feel like delivering by post if you don't trust buyer, you should state that you offer COD only.

And this, see what i reply to u, dont just post ur advantage too


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Mike this is one of my buyer, and also still got more, all my feedback i will show u , dont say a gang of me and make new account

Hahaha damn funny to see such drama for a 200 bucks item.

Instead of all this trouble (no trust between buyer/seller) maybe it would've been better to just pay a small deposit first, and then pay the rest when you can actually meet face to face? Or don't pay anything at all, until you meet face to face. If you BADLY want the product, ask seller to send a screen shot of his IC (crossed out) to your phone, and pay the deposit first to book item. If he crosses you, you can start a nice thread with his IC for all to see and burn him, so no one else buys from him. Common sense, both of you need it.

But read carefully, he say you are wrong in dealing with me under such dealing method...
Who trust you when this is first time deal with u, ask urself...

You're no better than him, calling names and insulting. If you don't want to sell to him then don't sell. I know you are a first time seller but you could have asked for a deposit or if you have no trust to buyers, set your item sales to COD only.

Bro, I don't agree with you, You said both wrong is unfair for me. He is the only wrong here, not me...
You will or may be change the decision after you read the red highlight comment i posted here.

He said, "U not believe me I aso ntg de, told u to check my feedback 200 need lie u meh, since u not believe me, depend on trust, ur thing only cost 200, even this u also cant do it, dont trust then dont trust"

How and the way he reply can't give me confidence and trust at all, furthermore this is the first time i deal with him, but he still insist me to post out the thing without paying me first (Even small deposit also don't have like what others member said it should be pay small amount of deposit is the right way to deal under postage method)...

And later on keep saying "Don't trust me meh, 200 thing only mah, like this also cannot do" such reply really sound like no heart to buy and no heart to pay me first, that is why i end up later on rude to him because I found that I no need to tolerate with such scammer like him (Suspect), because the way he reply sound like scammer...



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Yeap its very funny, first i offer the deal with him, ok u can rejected, and deal off, but no need to scold foul language and insult me as scammer, second i did mention if u can post today, i can bank in anytime, its mean i can bank in first but i need his confirmation if he can post today, but then he keep on scolding rude

Hey bro, check infont what did i say, i got mention u if u can post today then i can bank in anytime, dont miss part

See my latest reply, then u will know why i start insulting him and calling his names. Because he deserve it...
Just see how he reply me and you will also start to angry and end up don't want to deal with such buyer...

He said, "U not believe me I aso ntg de, told u to check my feedback 200 need lie u meh, since u not believe me, depend on trust, ur thing only cost 200, even this u also cant do it, dont trust then dont trust"

What is your feeling when buyer reply in such message...happy...??? or like me...

Hey scammer, dont miss part, u left out the word If u can post out today first, then i can bank in to you anytime...

Don't missing out the word post out first, It is obviously shown in the whatapps image and PM message proof..

That is the key part "Post First", U don't try to misleading the members that I am wrong, u are wrong at the first to request seller to send out item first, and pay later you promise (which I cannot guarantee I will receive the money after i send out - who knows)

Yeap if u cant trust we can deal off, just ignore me , no need to scold those bad word, and also pls b4 that i got mention if u can post today, then i bank in, but what u start reply?

Ya first message is post first, then u rejected. So i offer other way, then? What u reply ?

I never rejected, u the one say like that, don't misleading members here, they can see clearly on my attachment, no need to talk for your advantages only ok...

Hi morning bro I Also just wake up... I saw ur email, I don't mind postage, but if you bank in to me first, then I will post to you. I always do postage deal and the buyer always bank in to the seller first before delivery can be made, u should know it, right? If u agree, I can provide you my account number now...thanks and awaiting ur reply... This ur first reply and u rejected the offer i deal with u, then the next deal i say if u can post today i can bank in anytime, answer it yes or no

And the first msg on whatsapp i reply u, already asking for bank details

Lololol... y not the First buyer do this kind of transaction at Lelong ?

If you didn't trust the seller, what's the need to bargain ?

50% Deposit and send item..... weird

Drama thing, KIASU vs KIASI

The best is COD, both of you argue in whatapps better -0

Is the seller pm me back first, and i requested for post first but he cant, so i did say if u can post today i can bank in anytimr

True, if he not interested he no need to bargain,
but at the end he bargain, that mean he is interested...
But that is not the point, the point is he dare to ask seller to post out item first, without paying any penny or single small amount cent to seller/ deposit? Do you think i need to tolerate with such scammer statement...

Bankin 1st then postage..if me ok lor postage 1st then bankin..he3 nite

Reading the post, I can probably relate to lehrry request.
he just want seller confirmation if able to post the item on the day before 3pm.
if seller able to do it, he will make the payment immediately and seller can post afterwards.
sometimes i also ask like that if need the item quickly...because some seller might delay on posting

This post has been edited by one punch man: Aug 27 2015, 12:54 AM

Everything is depend on trust, if cant trust each other then no need deal no need talk RUDE and father mother come out

Yes, for the first request i ask for post first but he rejected then i ask for confirmation if u can post today i can bank in anytime, but he cant even understand and start scolding me and insult me, somemore talk so RUdE

If not mistaken, i kinda remember ur name, u did offer my number 014-2662626 before, i in lyn for a quite long time, i got lots of feedback from customer, i did ask him to check

Trust?? haha, first time deal with you and request this unreasonable dealing method, normal member also will not trust, do you think I will trust, then u start to talk like samseng ""U not believe me I aso ntg de, told u to check my feedback 200 need lie u meh, since u not believe me, depend on trust, ur thing only cost 200, even this u also cant do it, dont trust then dont trust"

haha, first time experience this ask seller trust him without paying anything upfront...

Samseng? This is my talking way, is u feel samseng, the how about u? Lj, go to hell, father mother come out? This call wat?

This is the way i treat samseng, no need to tolerate with scammer...

If you think that is ur way, then that is also my way to communicate with samseng/ suspect scammer!

Its ok la bro, u just want to win and also i got my customer feedback, and also is u not understand , not me

I guess u not need sleep one lah, because u reply me 1.32 and 4.37 am respectively yesterday...then later 1.00pm request me to sent out by today, u think i will fly is it, or u think the post office is next to my office is it?

U are the one not understand by offer such dealing method, late and unreasonable request to post out by the same day...U don't treat u r the only buyer that existing on my selling listing, and U don't treat u 200 so big until u not willing to pay upfront and say u r rely on the word "trust"...

Normally scammer no need sleep and work late while others sleep and wake up late at 1 something on the next day and request someone to send out by 3...this shown how is your dealing method and not sincere at all...

He is my final buyer, we complete the deal at night and finalised the payment within 5 minutes...simple yet fast...

Not like this scammer, ask me to post first and pay later...if u read this when he want to buy your item, you also will think he is kidding is it or scolding him like what i did to him...

That's why i will not tolerate with such samseng reply buyer like him (Name : Kayson Tan, 016-6906969/010-91039)

I work as own business, then why u reply, pay me now i post now, so if u cant make it why say like this?

See this kind of seller , i feel he got problem


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Guys pls commend this kind of people, loser?


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This seller, commend


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This is how I treat the scammer or samseng, not need to kesian him one, he already got nothing to say anymore, and be shy to comment...

But he deserve to be famous in this postage industry, and his very very reasonable motto : "Post first and pay later" will be remember forever by all member here...be alert too for new member here...

This is how I treat the scammer or samseng, not need to kesian him one, he already got nothing to say anymore, and be shy to comment...

But he deserve to be famous in this postage industry, and his very very reasonable motto : "Post first and pay later" will be remember forever by all member here...be alert too for new member here...

if im trading with a newbie. i will ask him to post first as well if im buying. no offence... too many newbie scammers around.

See, try to hide his shamefulness...by posting all this irrelevant image to this topic...

True, I agree with you too,
But he reply on 1.32am and 4.32 am morning and request you to post first while I sleep,
then when I wake up arounf 9am and ask him to pay first, he not yet wake up...
Around 1.00pm, he suddenly ask "u can make now" by 3pm...
If you receive such unreasonable statement and dealing request, what do you feel...
When he talk like samseng and not respect you at all, how do you feel (Circle in red)...

This seller what also can say, pls la u not young ady, saw my feedback from customer then u just keep saying post first issue? No more other?

Nah, dont talk all ur advantage, show all conversation pls

It is not the issue of young or what, please don't behave and talk like samseng and suspect scammer...that is only my advise to you when you got chance to buy other member interested goods...

Don't keep on say trust and post first pay later principle, ok???

I would tend to disagree. If its a newbie seller, i would cod. If pos only, deal off and i look for item elsewhere. I dont see how it would be reasonable to expect a seller would post anything first before receiving payment.

I get your point about newbie scammers, but if cant cod, i wont even bother to deal anymore.

sorry unfortunately i won't choose to respond instead of being agitated i will just ignore and move on. if can't agree to a term then forget about the deal.

Not everything can be done COD. if the newb can't agree to it the deal is off. I've done a few deal where seller posted to me first.
They don't seem to have a problem with that.

Eh, pls post first pay later is first deal offer from me, but second offer why u dont say this? Samseng? Or better than u talking rude? Lj word? Mother father? Ur those insult and foul language will be post tmr

Already shown on the first page, date and time already shown there, u no eye or not understand simple english is it, u really got problem, never mind i help to remind u again here, i am a kind person anyway...not your samseng talk face...


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U no need sleep one is it, but i need, don't reply late next time ok, to avoid inconvenience to seller....

U no need sleep one is it, but i need, don't reply late next time ok, to avoid inconvenience to seller....

Also give limited time let say 2 hours for seller to complete the postage deal...I don't need such ridiculous buyer...

Then how bout this?


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Wow bro i did ask a confirmation time and u din answer straight away rude word

wow... all of u got a lot free time ah
hahaha... come on.. juz say sorry to each other n move on
life's too short too spend on pointless matters

Nah bro, i still hvnt post how he insult me and those foul language, and also i make a call to him to settle it, u know what he did? Answer and let me listen music without talking somemore say i dont talk to cibai face watever thing

yea i know u're angry n frustrated
but u already make ur point in this thread rite
jus let things slide n move on
its late already, better work on much better stuff

i working as own business, so time is very free for me ~ is this seller keep on msg me and make me more hot

hahaha
keep msgin u?
till now?
lolz

till just now, our conversation start from 1pm argue till just now, and last msg see my previous comment , keep saying LOSER LOSER? omg==
see the post from #44 to #46

This post has been edited by Lehrry: Aug 27 2015, 03:00 AM

rotflmao
seems like we all still got that childish part in ourself eh hahahaha

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3692412 check this out, 2nd post from him, since first post lot of my feedback

This post has been edited by Lehrry: Aug 27 2015, 03:47 AM

lehrry, i want to buy toyota from u, u send to me first can ah ? i will bankin when i free.

tks.

Hi TS. Previously im dealing with Lehhry. Bought ip4s from him. Smooth deals and he is honest seller. I think this is just a misunderstanding. Both of you can settle it. Shouldnt drag up to this stage. Kinda funny but yeah you should discuss rather than complaint.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3692467

REFER this , mr MIKE

refer to here thanks https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3692467 then u know wat this story

refer it here : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3692467

refer it here : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3692467

refer it here : https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3692467

U still dare to buy and pay him deposit first, I wonder?

This guy no need sleep one, that why I wonder what own business he have, we all sleep night, but this guy wake up 1pm and start his scammer business during our peak and busy time. He like to argue and kacau people whole day and even early morning till 4-5am. That why I said I got no time entertain this childish fellow now, I need to rush to work...

I guess probably this guy need to seek medical advice from mental doctor...Probably kacau hard during morning time which he lack of sleep until the brain all rosak (Sorry my english not so well, so mix with malay for easy understanding)....

Later tonight, I will also show how he insult people too, He is currently only show his advantages... wait for my turn tonight...

This guy no need sleep one, that why I wonder what own business he have, we all sleep night, but this guy wake up 1pm and start his scammer business during our peak and busy time. He like to argue and kacau people whole day and even early morning till 4-5am. That why I said I got no time entertain this childish fellow now, I need to rush to work...

I guess probably this guy need to seek medical advice from mental doctor...Probably kacau hard during morning time which he lack of sleep until the brain all rosak (Sorry my english not so well, so mix with malay for easy understanding)....

Later tonight, I will also show how he insult people too, He is currently only show his advantages... wait for my turn tonight...

Agreed, both have some mis-understand.

lehrry need to post asap and Mike thinking he is scammer

Advice: Lehrry should not ask for post first without any deposit

Mike should just tell cannot promise how fast can post it out, cannot rush by today just said so and request another postage.
Seller should understand most buyer wanna to get the stuff on time or ASAP.
If really dun happy, just leave it. said "Sorry, but prefer to do COD only"

Thank you and I agree with your feedback...

Yes, this lehrry want the thing fast, i can accept, but what i can't accept is he give limited time to me to post out the thing, reply so late on 1pm through whatapps but expect me to go post out by 3pm, don't be too much, ok...

Also, I don't like the way he reply, like samseng and not educated,

First time deal also he insist me to post out first before pay anything, very funny and not logic, right?

You all cannot blame me that I suspect him as scammer for what he is asking to post out first before pay...

He deserve to be famous and asking for it...

T__T
Say can bank in any time but keep on tok kok sing song. Bank in first larr... then ask people to post ASAP.

Yea, so pls refer to my thread and u know why. Tok kok sing song is this seller not me, go check how many times i ask from him bank details(on the first msg i reply to him on whatsapp also asking for bank details)

Accept and cant accept? I the one say b4 3pm, but u the say can rush to post office at 1.38pm


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Yes, that is his way, like to tok kok and sing song ting tong...He always mention can bank in anytime and today, but at the end insist me to post out first, I ask U guy, if he treat u like, how do you feel...ur first impression and thinking is he a scammer that one to cheat your watch, also this is the first time i deal with him, but his dealing method is unacceptable and unreasonable...that is why i scold and rude to him because the way he replied also like samseng and not educated like what he admited...

i bought a rm700 shirt from lehrry on july. transaction goes smoothly. if he's a scammer he would have just taken the money and not post me anything .at that time he said he was in the post office and i immediately bank in to him and tomorrow i got my shirt with no problems whatsoever

Ok, but you buyer, he is seller that time...

But this time he is buyer and he request me to post first without paying anything...
Can you see the points or not?
Two different scenario here, may be that time he posted to you, but also pay him first right, before he will posted it at post offiece, right? How about if u ask him to post first, will he accept and post as per your instruction, i don't think so...

TL;DR..........

Thumb of rule is, buyer pay 1st then seller confirm received payment only send item.

In this case, Lehrry probably request for post 1st because he sked he might kena scammed.
Theoretically, thats what buyer wants ofcourse... buyer also sked kena scammed right?
So i cant say who is wrong (asking payment 1st or send item 1st)...

Best way is to do COD, or thru a proxy person (i could suggest via apis_lualua).
Buyer make payment to proxy (proxy hold money 1st) and seller ship item to buyer.
Once buyer confirm receive item then proxy send the money to seller.

Thats all my 2cent.

To be fair, anyone can also be scammer.
Doesnt mean he/she done few genuine transaction and confirm wont scam next time.


Even for someone like myself, sometimes i do request seller (new members) to send item 1st before i pay.
What do u think am i femes enough and wont scam?
Well iinm so far nobody ever send me item 1st b4 i pay...... and oh ya, other way around i wont send item 1st before get payment even the buyer is femes and done alot transaction.

Yeap the rule is buyer pay first before post, i agree with u, but now is the seller find me back first, let me give u some example, im a phone seller i guess u know too, let say im a buyer for faulty phone if someone come and offer u a faulty phone, should i pay first or received phone first? But if u cant accept then just deal off only and u check on our whatsapp , i did ask him can u post it today? If yes i can bank in anytime, he cant even answer me question until now

yeah anyone can be a scammer i dont doubt that. im just saying on my part at least the transaction is smooth.so i wouldnt called him a scammer if my transaction is smooth right? thats all

This time im buyer, but u the one finding me back and asking me still interested or not, different scenario?

Anyone can be scammer, yes he might too, i ask him to post first for my safety too, since he the one finding me back, and one more thing u need to see clearly, he rejected to post me first and ask me to bank in first, look all conversation, i did mention to him if u can post today, i can bank in anytime.. So what now? Scammer alert if i can bank in anytime? He cant even reply this question and also how many my previously customer feedback on here. He just want to win

if you think he as seller find you first and should send the item to you first then you pay, just dont buy when seller refuse la.

why you try so hard to convince him that you will pay with all the feedback thing?
And actually feedback means very little. feedback is just a response to a PREVIOUS transaction.
it can be positive, but it is only for REFERENCE.
it DOES NOT give you any right to ask for anything.