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Jordy
post Oct 19 2007, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 17 2007, 02:25 PM)
I think what he/she tries to say is that:
PM is good, no doubt about that, but it doesn't mean all the funds under them is top performance in their category, some others investment house also got good top performance fund as well, so it doesn't mean when want to invest in UT, it must be or must choose PM, can as well others fund like OSK-UOB, CIMB, Hwang etc which some of their funds are as good, especially in global fund, PM or PB series funds are lagging others.

Don't get me wrong, PM or PB series funds are good in general term, just one always can broaden their view and options when want to invest in UT.
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I'm not saying that people should stick ONLY with PM, don't get me wrong bro..
I believe non of my posts asked people not to choose other fund managers but only PM..
I'm just saying through what other forumers and I have experienced with PM funds, not just by rumours..
I'm just asking him for clarification, since he's saying he's not getting satisfactory returns..
If what he says is really true, then I could learn something too right..?
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QUOTE(bengang13 @ Oct 18 2007, 09:30 PM)
I've got Small Cap, Ittikal, Focus Select and Islamic Equity.
Just a brief one here. Over all, i started investing year 2003 and i have profited about 56% since then. So about 14% anually. Is that much? I really don't know( I mean, i really do not know...not to be sarcastic here..what do you think?)
Perhaps i should not say overrated. it just that there are quiet a lots of funds outside there and people seems to be focusing just on PB. don;t get me wrong, i htink they are good, just that i believe we need to diiversify to other funds.
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PSMALLCAP (02-Jan-04 to 18-Oct-07) - 110.66%
PITTIKAL (Same period) - 98.85%
PIEF (Same period) - 94.88%
PFSF (25-Nov-04 to 18-Oct-07) - 78.82%

PSMALLCAP (02-Jan-04 to 18-Oct-07) - 174.29%
PITTIKAL (Same period) - 155.50%
PIEF (Same period) - 124.52%

*Data collected from PM website
Based on what I can see, if you invested anytime between 02-Jan-03 and 02-Jan-04 until 18-Oct-07, your average profit should be at least 95.80% (annualised 23.95%)..
How come you're saying that you have only profited about 56%..?
I don't quite understand, unless PM did something on the charts to make their funds look better.. wink.gif
Even by looking at Lipper, you'll see these funds growing more than 50% on average for the last 3 years..
Have you still been keeping these funds, or did you redeem early..?
I'm not to say that you're wrong, but did you miss out something in your calculation..?
Did you include the distributions/splits by these funds (they have announced a few distributions already)..
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post Oct 19 2007, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(bengang13 @ Oct 19 2007, 07:12 PM)
for Small Cap, i started investing since 2000 and the rest around 2003..
not too sure. i am checkign with my agent. she have not replied my email
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It's better to check the returns from their systems..
It includes all the profits from distributions/splits, thus more accurate..
Distributions will greatly affect the prices of funds, especially for you who have invested for so long..
Hope you get your reply soon and you can share with us the results.. smile.gif
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post Oct 20 2007, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(bengang13 @ Oct 19 2007, 10:58 PM)
I called her. she said it is possible that she switch some of the profit to Bond. she will send me a details statement soon. I remembered signing some forms for switching. Hopefully i did not wrongly sign anything. is there anyway i can track my recored from the time i started investing (year 2000 till now) liek going to thier office and request for a statement?
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I think you can request for a reprint of your statements, but need to pay..
It's going to be hell if you have not been doing proper portfolio management for these 4 years, but it's still manageable if you spend some time on it..
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post Oct 20 2007, 11:07 PM

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QUOTE(bengang13 @ Oct 20 2007, 08:18 PM)
yeah.. i am learning the hard way now. previosuly i just let my agent run the show. it was only recently i realize how much i have in PM and its time for me to take charge.. hope to learn form you guyss
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For me, I prefer DIY, even for UT which is managed by fund managers..
We need to make our own decisions so we will not blame anyone when it goes wrong..
If we let our agents do it, we might blame them if things go wrong..
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post Oct 21 2007, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(bengang13 @ Oct 20 2007, 11:20 PM)
So this Monday you are really plannign to shift your equity to bond is it?
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Yes, I'll be doing my switching just to be safe..
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post Oct 21 2007, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 21 2007, 12:18 AM)
The form that I got ... it said 7am to 12pm daily.
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Correction needs to be made..
It's 7am to 12 midnight (not pm).. smile.gif
But the orders can only be processed the next working day/hour..
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post Oct 21 2007, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Oct 21 2007, 04:56 PM)
No limit but once you switched, you have to wait for 21 days for the next switch.
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There's no need to wait for 21 days to make another switch..
Switching only takes 2-3 days to be processed, so after the details have gone through, you can switch provided you have valid reasons..
I've just checked with the GM of my branch..
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post Oct 21 2007, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(bengang13 @ Oct 21 2007, 09:35 PM)
What kinda of reason? meaning to say you cannot change using telemutual is it?
i just switch my Focus Select and Islamic Equity to Money Market. Leaving Smallcap and Ittikal intact.
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Can use telemutual, but if the office feels suspicious about your switching, they might call you and your agent for verification..
If your reason is invalid, then you might get banned from switching in the future..
If for normal switch to lock in profits, it's ok..
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post Oct 22 2007, 05:37 PM

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For funds with less than 10k, not worth it to do switching at all..
Even if well executed, the profit is only very minimal, so no point to take all the trouble..
Let it grow by itself is the best..
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post Oct 23 2007, 06:13 PM

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So what is the "required amount" now, if it's not the usual RM50k?
For the example that they have given, they stated that the required amount is RM9k only?
A little confused when they don't elaborate more. wink.gif
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post Oct 24 2007, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(MNet @ Oct 23 2007, 07:51 PM)
How can we invest in foreign offered funds?
anyone have try before?

PS:Foreign fund pay up to 19% per annum wink.gif
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The funds that you want to invest in will have to get EPF's approval..
No foreign funds as of now because the risk is high..
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post Oct 25 2007, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Oct 25 2007, 10:16 AM)
On the EPF new rulings; I've got a confirmation that there would be scheduled table by KWSP.
It's would be sort of like the PCB table by LHDN.
In the table it would state that based on age what is the minimum amount required to be in account 1 before you can withdraw the money for investment. At least it's not going to be a RM50,000 minimum capping for withdrawal to invest.
So it's basically good news for whoever wishes to use EPF money for investment.
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Thank you b00n for your information..
Pleas keep us updated ok..? smile.gif
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post Oct 26 2007, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(Lover @ Oct 26 2007, 03:28 PM)
wat does dis means? means at year 25 nid to have 9000? rclxub.gif
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Yes, the minimum amount to have in your Account 1 is RM9000 at 25 years old, to be eligible to invest using your EPF money.. It's way better than the previous RM50k minimum amount..
So, this would be viewed positive by many young high paid investors..
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post Oct 27 2007, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(cuebiz @ Oct 26 2007, 08:41 PM)
So for 25 years old with RM9000 in A/C 1, how much can be used to invest?
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None..
Please do take note that the RM9k is the minimum amount you'll need to have in your Account 1..
You can only invest using your Account 1 funds in excess of RM9k up to a maximum of 20%, ie if you have RM15k in your Account 1, and you're 25, you're able to invest 0.2(RM15k-RM9k)=RM1.2k..
Due to the regulation on UT (minimum investment of RM1k is required for new accounts), you can only start investing your EPF money into UT if you have RM14k..
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post Oct 28 2007, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 28 2007, 11:00 AM)
The main problem of withdraw EPF fund to invest in UT is that they don't allow you to invest in global/regional funds, only local equities which is not diversified enough. All (local equities fund) are almost has roughly same portfolio across.
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Even so, I think not all local funds are approved..
That is the disadvantage of EPF investment..
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post Nov 7 2007, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Nov 6 2007, 03:09 PM)
Open for both Cash & EPF
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A little bit I would add on to this statement.
The Cash and EPF option is only available during the First Day of launching.
If these funds are approved by EPF, then the subsequent days will be EPF Only.
Please take note on this smile.gif
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post Nov 20 2007, 10:07 PM

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Hmm, CIMB is very famous with launching capital guaranteed funds.
So, nothing new there, because most of them are the same wink.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 21 2007, 09:38 AM)
AmPrecious Metals fund sounds interesting? The minimum investment is more affordable compared to CIMB product offerings.
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Well, personally I don't believe in these articles being published by the fund managers themselves.
I would rather take my cue from third parties when choosing my funds, like Lipper and S&P.
They have shown their professionalism in the unit trust industry.

QUOTE(bengang13 @ Nov 21 2007, 10:26 AM)
I am planning to set a side a small portion of my monthly(automatic deduction)salaray to be invested in for long term. as in until my retirement. do you guys know of any funds besides Mutual funds that i can contribute to?
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What about equity?
Personally, I can't find any other long term investment that is better than funds and equity.
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QUOTE(X-Zen @ Nov 23 2007, 11:33 AM)
Which bank got offer any REIT mutual fund?

Any recommendation. Thanks
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As far as I know, ING did offer its REIT fund during beginning of the year.
I think the fund has been closed now because it was sold out.
Other REITs you can get from the open market.
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post Dec 1 2007, 11:37 AM

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Other companies are also good, in terms that they are coming up with their funds. But in terms of diversification, I still say PM. I don't see many companies with many funds smile.gif
Another good one you could consider is CMS Premier, which has been top for the past year. But don't ask me how to look for their agent, I have not seen any from that company smile.gif

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