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 Why aren't you growing, Good article from Iron Addict

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darun
post Nov 16 2006, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Nov 16 2006, 11:47 AM)
This is what Madcow replied to me in a pm when i told him i might consider starting the dual factor as my bench, MP, deadlifts were starting to stagnate as you know when i trained with you at CEleb Fitness that one time:-

Keep in mind that you don't just reset the stock 5x5 program. Do some different things along the same lines before moving to that sort of thing. Maybe try a 10 rep variation if you are into that. Modify the template, do whatever. Point being, before you start opting for 1 increment of progress every 4-8 weeks, make sure you really need that and the rep range/template you have been running simply isn't very stale

It seems the dual factor, however effective it may be, will have me progressing very slowly and i think i've still got more potential to progress faster than the rate the dual factor program might give me. He also gave me this link:-

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showpost...7&postcount=958

So, after that said and done, I've began to customize my program, i handed in the rough template to Madcow and Kethnaab (another very knowledgeable individual whom Madcow recognizes) and i got their approval. Here is a sample of Day 1 and Day 3.

Day 1 (ME Day) : Bench press 3 x 3
Squats 3 x 3
Weighted hammer chins 3 x 3
Adding in sit ups and hyperextensions here
*All straight sets

Day 3 (RE Day) : Bench press 3 x 10
Pendlay rows 3 x 10
Squats 3 x 10
Some direct arm work
* tentatively straight sets here most likely
**thinking of adding in GHRs here

I still haven't decided on Day 2 but I'm dropping deadlifts from them a while, and doing assistance exercises like SLDL's and GHR's. Kethnaab suggested a mixture of ME and RE sets for MPs and SLDL's, where i ramp to a top set of 3-5 and then a down set of 8-10.

Keep in mind this program is specifically tailored for MY needs because i need to bring up my vertical pulling strengths, such as hammer chins and pull ups, hence the ME rep/set scheme for hammer chins.
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Thanks for the link, good reading. I'll probably try resetting my bench first as carlsuen suggested before changing anything drastic. Thanks again guys for the input.

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post Nov 16 2006, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(darun @ Nov 16 2006, 01:06 PM)
Thanks for the link, good reading.  I'll probably try resetting my bench first as carlsuen suggested before changing anything drastic.  Thanks again guys for the input.
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I have got to learn how to do power shrugs from you one day. I can't seem to get the technique right, but then i've only tried them once.
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post Nov 18 2006, 09:07 AM

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i am currently 15 going to 16....can i hv some advice here...should i lift up some weights???i want to build a body but im afraid that it would affect my growth....
any suggestion here???pls.... biggrin.gif
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post Nov 18 2006, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(kaziri @ Nov 18 2006, 09:07 AM)
i am currently 15 going to 16....can i hv some advice here...should i lift up some weights???i want to build a body but im afraid that it would affect my growth....
any suggestion here???pls.... biggrin.gif
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Well lifting weights won't make you short(er) if thats what you're worried about.
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post Nov 18 2006, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(kaziri @ Nov 18 2006, 09:07 AM)
i am currently 15 going to 16....can i hv some advice here...should i lift up some weights???i want to build a body but im afraid that it would affect my growth....
any suggestion here???pls.... biggrin.gif
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it dosent affect your growth. just go ahead and lift, like malaysianpotato said
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post Nov 18 2006, 05:28 PM

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oh i see... thank you~~~ biggrin.gif
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post Nov 22 2006, 09:12 PM

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can u guys kindly tell me what is the age for us to stop growing tall>?
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post Nov 22 2006, 09:31 PM

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post Nov 22 2006, 11:18 PM

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ic..tat means i still hv a chance to become taller lar...

anyway...

does doing deadlift will stop ur growth???
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post Nov 23 2006, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Nov 18 2006, 03:02 PM)
Well lifting weights won't make you short(er) if thats what you're worried about.
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Nov 22 2006, 11:18 PM)
ic..tat means i still hv a chance to become taller lar...

anyway...

does doing deadlift will stop ur growth???
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obviously the answer same as above quote unless u consider Dl is some sort of cardio......tongue.gif


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post Nov 23 2006, 08:30 AM

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dont understand...

anyway...does dead lift really helps u a lot?
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post Nov 23 2006, 08:51 AM

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yeap
its basically a compound exercise which uses a large percentage of ur muscles
like squats, its just one of those heavy a** lifts which promote a lot of muscular growth
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post Nov 23 2006, 01:01 PM

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will it stop my growing tall?
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post Nov 23 2006, 01:08 PM

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nope
deadlifts, squats or whatever wont affect your growth
search around
there were a few threads on this topic

edit:-
height wise, if it doesnt promote muscular growth, y on earth am i doing them tongue.gif

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post Nov 23 2006, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(Canopies @ Nov 23 2006, 01:01 PM)
will it stop my growing tall?
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Can i ask you why this question is being posted here when this thread is supposed to be related to growth in terms of hypertrophy, not growth in terms of height?
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QUOTE(Canopies @ Nov 22 2006, 11:18 PM)
ic..tat means i still hv a chance to become taller lar...

anyway...

does doing deadlift will stop ur growth???
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NO, bodybuilding Diet actually help u grow taller.
It only make u short if u hurt ur spine during deadlift. Thats it !!

Bear in mind, we need a lot of protein to grow in muscles

Darklight79, good thread. Though I m not a bodybuilder, but I will use this knowledge from here wisely

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post Apr 10 2007, 06:06 PM

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i think the purpose of this thread is to discuss muscular mass growth, and not in terms of height. body-building however, stuns growth in terms of height, so if u wanna grow taller, dont do it..

some athletes put strap-on weights to their ankles or arms when they train as well. and that is bad for height growth as well.
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post Apr 10 2007, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(b3ta @ Apr 10 2007, 06:06 PM)
i think the purpose of this thread is to discuss muscular mass growth, and not in terms of height. body-building however, stuns growth in terms of height, so if u wanna grow taller, dont do it..

some athletes put strap-on weights to their ankles or arms when they train as well. and that is bad for height growth as well.
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Please prove this nonsense of weightlifting stunting height crap.

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post Apr 12 2007, 07:41 AM

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Nov 23 2006, 01:01 PM

Ehh...sorry lar..dam long time ago, that time i was like a super noob lar..
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post Apr 28 2007, 12:18 PM

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hey darklight
im referring to ur post on deloading

i've worked out for some time (3-5 weeks) and accordingly, my performance increased significantly due to god-blessed discipline on diet and consistency

the thing is, as i improve my resistance and sets (i try not to add more workouts b4 end of 6 weeks cuz i want to see how far i can go with the curent workout), im beginning to feel sengal2 all over my body
like orang tua la
the worst part is my the otot around my pelvis...walking alone takes toll on me per se
however, i trained that part rather lightly where the only lower body exercise i did were

i) cross training machine - 20 mins
ii) jog (with 8-10 times intervals) - 20min
iii) cycling - 10min
iv) leg press - 8-12 reps maxmum capability of 2-3 sets

outside gym, i swim

is it a good thing? i mean the upper body had been blasted with loads of weights (with some instructions from a certified master trainer of course) but the muscle stretch aint that bad

is it time to deload? or?
i understand the concept of cruising and deload which is better than resting (although medically resting is the best alternative)
what do u think?

i mean only go to gym for 4 times a week
2 - workout
2 - cardio

note: and yeah, sakit mata la all this questions on stunting growth on height...damn it...


Added on April 28, 2007, 12:26 pmbeen following darklight's threads for quite some time
especially after i lost weight and beginning to think to look slim is better
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but im no bodybuilder
i just want to look and feel good with my body

at my current height 6f 1in and weight 72kg, to look good is the best thing for me

btw, ur sig is really motivational la darklight
cuz i have this friend whose always helped me with training
but he's always boasting on his good bod
but he owed it to the drugs he took for so long to perform hammer bench and deadlift at 300-400 lbs...1 pill is around 4 bucks and he has to take 2 to lift all those...without it, he can only perform up to 100-150lbs

i'd rather eat abnormally and work everything out rather than take drugs and feel the side effects later


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