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post Nov 8 2006, 02:59 PM, updated 20y ago

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as we know captain had a very big influence in a team. choosing right captain definitely will effect the whole team. So who do you think the best captain that had capable to give an impact in the team
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although i'm a die hard united fan, i cant lie to myself that gerrard is not the best captain in the EPL. His performance on the pitch is so inspiring, bringing up the morale of his whole team, n his talents r plenty, no doubt bout it at all... juz wondering when will united find another mastercaptain like roy keane soon tongue.gif
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I suspect that everyone will choose captains of their teams.

Just to make it more interesting, I'd go for Gary Speed because he is a steadying influence in the middle and has bags of experience.
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henry's the most influencial player .
arsenal cant lose him so he is the best captain as he IS a captain .
but just that he doesnt fit the role of a captain . he needs freedom less responsibility or pressure to let him game flow like in the past .
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post Nov 8 2006, 03:52 PM

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Steviee G
My second choice would be Gareth Barry.
He inspires and scores goal.
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QUOTE(tonYe @ Nov 8 2006, 03:28 PM)
henry's the most influencial player .
arsenal cant lose him so he is the best captain as he IS a captain .
but just that he doesnt fit the role of a captain . he needs freedom less responsibility or pressure to let him game flow like in the past .
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henry is a leader but not captain material. although a lot of people say that he influences the team in another way but to me, he's no Adams or Vieira. he's a influence but not THE influence. i think that Cesc Fabregas will make a good captain when he grows up.

As for EPL, i would go for terry. i dont like him because he's a chelsea player and an alleged paedo/sex maniac but you got to respect the way he leads a team of multi millionaire egos in the Chelsea camp.

Of all time? Roy Keane. just watch Juve vs ManU 1999 (he was the one who made the Treble possible) if not for him, single also maybe tak dapat that year thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif Keano!!! Keano!! I miss him wub.gif wub.gif
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Terry.. smile.gif
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Cantona. he is the king!
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i will choose terry.

This is because:
Can score goal,
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Stevie G because Liverpool evolves around him.
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agree, although im not a liverpool fan
i adore stevie G leadership!
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post Nov 8 2006, 04:52 PM

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jialat aka gerrard.....

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post Nov 8 2006, 04:53 PM

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of course stevie.. he lead liverpool and win CL in istanbul ^^..he is patient with liv player also .. juz like keano.. hehe..

btw..i agree wat kobe say.. hendry is a leader.. not a captain.. soemtimes u can see he is furious with his teammate when his teammate did some mistake.. see his reaction when fabregas miss the chances in CL .. that was funny.. this is wat stevie, keano and john terry wont do -.-
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post Nov 8 2006, 04:54 PM

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steven gerrard.
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stevie G is the man.. he scored most of important goals for liverpool especially the one in Champions League against Olympiakos. Dynamic, pace and thunderbolt strike all complete in him. He can play almost in all positions. what else? he's a liverpool's boy biggrin.gif
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man utd supporter here
but sadly not a supporter of gary neville being the captain

my choice is steven gerrard
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Well like this
Gerrard should be the captain of england =)
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yup stevie g for england captain.... no no to terry....
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I've always believed that captains should predominantly be midfielders simply because they have access to all areas of the pitch and can influence the game both in defence and in attack. Steven Gerrard, Patrick Viera, Roy Keane, Nigel Reo-Coker, Gary Speed are all recent examples of captains that lead from the middle in the premiership.
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If Jamie Carragher is a captain, he will definitely get my vote. He is going to scare the shit out of those underperformers with his "moaning" thats peppered with loads of Scouse.

As for now, its Stevie G. No doubt. He is a one-man show. Ask AC milan that. I bet Serginho still has G-forced nightmares.
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post Nov 8 2006, 05:50 PM

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looks like i'm the only who vote barry....
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i voted for stevie G but my second choice is gareth barry
I used my bro account to vote for barry =)
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post Nov 8 2006, 05:58 PM

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neville...he has the exp at the back..can organise attack n lay some pin-point crosses..just lack the finishing
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I voted for Barry too. He's a good captain and he almost left Aston Villa. He couldn't stand working another season under David O'Leary. Thank god Martin O'Neill came and persuaded him to stay. They're doing well at the moment....and he's their Penalty taker. Hasn't missed this season and he always shoots towards the middle of the goal. Commentator once said, "Do the keepers ever learn?"..... tongue.gif
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the reason o neill went for barry as captain was not because of his leadership qualities but because he wanted barry to stay at the club and sign a contract. as for gerrard, i think he is a great leader when he plays well. when he doesnt, play well, liverpool isnt led by anyone
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Without a doubt, Stevie G. Even though i'm a Man Utd supporter, i'll have to say Gerrard is probably the best captain i've seen in EPL since Roy Keane.
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which kop die hard fan will forget strike against Olympiakos, 3-3 back at Istanbul and last minute strike against West Ham and play as right back at final...btw i am a liverpool fan and very glad have stevie in our team and my second choice is John Terry bcoz he play really well even better than our Carradona...
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but the question is can gerrard lead a team of stars like england and chelsea? if judging by performance, henry and gerrard will win by a landslide. but roy keane didnt always score crucial goals did he? hierro who was regarded a great captain too didnt score great goals? more so for cafu, did u see him score goals in dying seconds of games? they too are great leaders for their teams. for me its more than just delivering 10/10 performances on the pitch. why is Gaz manu's leader and not ronaldo/rooney/vidic as captain? they are better than Gaz IMO and no manu fan will ever argue that Rooney is a better footballer than Gaz.

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leader doesnt have to score goals to win the heart of fans n managers alike. they juz have to be the "big brother" and keep the lads heads up when they are down, shout at them when needed etc.
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John Terry.... notworthy.gif

IMO its not easy to lead a team full of egos and stars in Chelsea.
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a great leader does not need to score goals,win title or anything.in fact what a captain should do is keep inspiring and motivate the players to be enthusiastic all the time.in short,a captain can be called as part time coach for me.for current epl i would vote steven gerrard.he has the qualities there.he's active on the pitch,assists and score goals and that motivates the other players alot.when he passes,everyone seems to follow the flow and keep it nice n tidy passes.not every captain can be like this.as many ppl here said,henry is influential but have to disagree that he's a good captain.when u see vieira the formar captain of arsenal,u'll see the father of the team.same to manchester united's former captain roy keane.every argument,he's there.most of the tackles,he commit that.

truely said,captain like vieira,gerrard and roy keane are hardly can be found.truely a leader with passion and motivation.
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QUOTE(kinfei @ Nov 8 2006, 07:38 PM)
a great leader does not need to score goals,win title or anything.in fact what a captain should do is keep inspiring and motivate the players to be enthusiastic all the time.in short,a captain can be called as part time coach for me.for current epl i would vote steven gerrard.he has the qualities there.he's active on the pitch,assists and score goals and that motivates the other players alot.when he passes,everyone seems to follow the flow and keep it nice n tidy passes.not every captain can be like this.as many ppl here said,henry is influential but have to disagree that he's a good captain.when u see vieira the formar captain of arsenal,u'll see the father of the team.same to manchester united's former captain roy keane.every argument,he's there.most of the tackles,he commit that.

truely said,captain like vieira,gerrard and roy keane are hardly can be found.truely a leader with passion and motivation.
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for me, a leader is able to spice up team's spirit, knock the sleeper's head, awaken them.
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^that's so gerrard at istanbul champions league.
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Thierry Henry is my fav player...but when comes to a captain,Steven Gerrard is better among all...




QUOTE(kinfei @ Nov 8 2006, 07:38 PM)
a great leader does not need to score goals,win title or anything.in fact what a captain should do is keep inspiring and motivate the players to be enthusiastic all the time.in short,a captain can be called as part time coach for me.for current epl i would vote steven gerrard.he has the qualities there.he's active on the pitch,assists and score goals and that motivates the other players alot.when he passes,everyone seems to follow the flow and keep it nice n tidy passes.not every captain can be like this.as many ppl here said,henry is influential but have to disagree that he's a good captain.when u see vieira the formar captain of arsenal,u'll see the father of the team.same to manchester united's former captain roy keane.every argument,he's there.most of the tackles,he commit that.

truely said,captain like vieira,gerrard and roy keane are hardly can be found.truely a leader with passion and motivation.
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Agree rclxms.gif ...when u said "every argument,he's there." makes me think back of Paul Ince (argues alot on the pitch) laugh.gif
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Sheer RESPECT for the man , Theirry Henry
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lets see how chelsea perform if terry isnt playing...
and compared to gerrard if he dont play...how liverpool perform...

then you will c a clearer picture ,who is more influential ...

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post Nov 9 2006, 09:19 AM

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Steven Gerrard is a good leader, inspirational midfielder.
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i vote for gary neville but if i had another poll i 'll choose gareth barry..well said enuf..the others?ermmm..juz ok~
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I vote for Steven Gerrard
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QUOTE(jason18689 @ Nov 8 2006, 11:33 PM)
lets see how chelsea perform if terry isnt playing...
and compared to gerrard if he dont play...how liverpool perform...

then you will c a clearer picture ,who is more influential ...
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if compare like this, i think Henry should win both of them....
Arsenal with Henry & Arsenal without Henry got big different ler.......

IMO, i do think Steven Gerrard & Thierry Henry got the same style in the leadership which use their own action (the way they play football) to influence their teamate....and what Steven Gerrard advantage compare to Thierry Henry is Thierry Henry is much more quite compare to Gerrard who will shout to his teamate.....

Terry is another type of leader which will shout to anyone who is "Sleeping" on the field......he know what he shud do to cover when there is a "hole" at the field.....

Gary Neville on the other way is the captain becoz of he is senior in the team and his influence on the team....

Althought i am a Man Utd fan, among the top 4 clubs (base on the long run performance n not EPL table) in EPL, i would say Gary is not as good as other in the term of captain.....

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stevie g for me....always keep on running on the pitch.....so damm hardworking.... tongue.gif
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my vote go for parker. tongue.gif i'll always remember that match against The Gunners, even though Shearer was the captain.
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QUOTE(GrandElf @ Nov 9 2006, 09:46 AM)
stevie g for me....always keep on running on the pitch.....so damm hardworking.... tongue.gif
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yup.. u can see him everywhere.. right left up and down.. not like some captain who just stay in certain part of field

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QUOTE(zickey @ Nov 9 2006, 10:10 AM)
yup.. u can see him everywhere.. right left up and down.. not like some captain who just stay in certain part of field
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well ... i couldnt find any reason why a captain need to run around and be everywhere ... JT got my vote

influential player work better than inspirational player
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So, someone who is hardworking, and keep running around here and there is a good leader? Oh.........
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QUOTE(jason18689 @ Nov 8 2006, 11:33 PM)
lets see how chelsea perform if terry isnt playing...
and compared to gerrard if he dont play...how liverpool perform...

then you will c a clearer picture ,who is more influential ...
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I think Gerrard seems more influential because Chelsea have abit more quality in their side compared to Liverpool. If for example Gerrard was playing for Chelsea he wouldn't be as influential. Just my 2c.
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QUOTE(jdreamer @ Nov 9 2006, 11:17 AM)
So, someone who is hardworking, and keep running around here and there is a good leader? Oh.........
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yup.. captain must be hardworking and be example to the others.. lazy captain will cause the teammates moral down

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Nov 8 2006, 04:22 PM)

Of all time? Roy Keane. just watch Juve vs ManU 1999 (he was the one who made the Treble possible) if not for him, single also maybe tak dapat that year  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif Keano!!! Keano!! I miss him  wub.gif  wub.gif
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that is the most inspiring captain's performance ever. when he scored the goal commentators even said 'A Captain's goal for Roy Keane' rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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all time epl captain - roy keane notworthy.gif

for now i think is stevie.G biggrin.gif

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stevie g..like keano was like to MU
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Stevie G for me. I love his workrate. His performance in Istanbul was exceptional. He scored with the header, and took the game to Milan. It was an outstanding performance.

Of course, for me, no one comes close to Roy Keane, cos i felt like, he didnt even have to speak, and when the young ones were on the park, theyd shift a gear higher.

But in concurrent times, its Stevie G. And if u ask me, midfielders are the ones who win the game for u, and its more susceptible to have the captain from that part of the field.
I take nothing away from Gary though. His performance against Portsmouth was mouth-watering, with him coming from the right back, all the way to get at least 3 shots on goal. Thats marvelous.


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steven gerrard gets my vote.

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QUOTE(BoltonMan @ Nov 9 2006, 01:58 PM)
richard dunne, sometimes score own goal, sometimes score proper goal icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(jdreamer @ Nov 9 2006, 11:17 AM)
So, someone who is hardworking, and keep running around here and there is a good leader? Oh.........
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lol..in tat case Oliver Kahn is the lousiest leader on Earth. pls lar......why workrate is always a factor in these cases? influence counts for nothing? leadership?

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I was being sarcastic in that post.
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QUOTE(jdreamer @ Nov 9 2006, 02:12 PM)
I was being sarcastic in that post.
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and i was agreeing with u. i didnt mean to diss u. sorry for any misunderstanding
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Nov 9 2006, 02:15 PM)
and i was agreeing with u. i didnt mean to diss u. sorry for any misunderstanding
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Nov 9 2006, 02:10 PM)
lol..in tat case Oliver Kahn is the lousiest leader on Earth. pls lar......why workrate is always a factor in these cases? influence counts for nothing? leadership?
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workrate does count when it comes to striker, midfielder or defender become a captain, this is what we call led by example. gk have their own workrate as well, just that it wasnt about running here and there.

i voted for gerrard and had JT as my 2nd choice. gerrard performance at times just pure inspiring while JT led a group of superstar and consistently perform well.
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ Nov 9 2006, 02:54 PM)
workrate does count when it comes to striker, midfielder or defender become a captain, this is what we call led by example. gk have their own workrate as well, just that it wasnt about running here and there.

i voted for gerrard and had JT as my 2nd choice. gerrard performance at times just pure inspiring while JT led a group of superstar and consistently perform well.
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yeah well when i heard ppl saying that so and so is heaven on earth because of wonderful goals and such is just not right. gerrard is a great captain in his own right and we all remember Olympiakos 3-3 and AC Milan as well as West Ham but that just goes to show he is a special player not a special leader. big players for big games. ronaldinho and messi are special players but they arent leaders IMO.
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cantona - for his very charisma...his skills...an eye to score wonderful goals...his aura and yeah his explosive aggression (as seen during the fight with a Crystal Palace fan)...his is an ingenious captain...

keano - almost as alike as cantona...his aggression and motivations on center of the field is felt by everyone playing for the club...u don't play well then u get screwing from him...

gary neville - hmmm he is alright...u can't doubt his feelings for United...he will do his level best for United although he is just too quiet and resolute for my liking at times...he is a too cool captain but u know he is an important figure in there...

terry - he leads by example...he doesn't go out there n fight like a mad cow like how cantona or keano did...he simply leads them out there and organize things well enough...

gerrard - he is a pure inspiration and simply fantastic when he is on fire...when he plays well...usually liverpool will go on to win...he can be a match winner at times...no doubt! he drives liverpool!

scott parker - i guess he is the only person capable enough to lead newcastle...i dun see any players can lead the team...tat's y he was chose to be the captain...he has the leadership qualities but not the best to lead the top teams...


henry - well he is tot to be Arsenal all time best player ever even in EPL history maybe? his lovely skills and consistent eye for goal every season has see as an ideal person on the pitch for Arsenal to influence the rest of the players...but he lacks the true leadership that you can see on Terry and Gerrard...it's his aura when he is playing well that brings him out to be a captain...


gareth barry? - i would prefer scott parker over him then...he is jus too soft hearted at times for me...he is a true n true aston villa fan & player...u won't doubt his dedication for villa...a "production of the villa youth system" so no doubt he fits the bill...something like gary of united...






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There's only one Keano! There's only one Keano! There's only one Keano!

But he's not playing anymore sad.gif

Right now I gotta say Terry's the best captain in the EPL.
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henry - well he is tot to be Arsenal all time best player ever even in EPL history maybe? his lovely skills and consistent eye for goal every season has see as an ideal person on the pitch for Arsenal to influence the rest of the players...but he lacks the true leadership that you can see on Terry and Gerrard...it's his aura when he is playing well that brings him out to be a captain...

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I choose Terry. although he's playing for chelsea but I still feel that he's the best captain. He has the charisma and the confidence to lead his team. his big size made the defence line of blues tough. and through his leadership, he led his team to raise the EPL trophy twice. he's a very good defender + an almost perfect captain thumbup.gif
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I choose gerard... Eventhough he is not in my EPL team but he do inspired player... I wonder why Steve McLaren didnt pick him as England captain.. well, he is the manager and I'm not.... whistling.gif
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When picking a captain, I look at the following attributes:

1) He must be able to command his troops (which is why I would seldom go for goalkeepers. How often do they get upclose with their strikers?). A captain should essentially be an on-field manager. He should be able to read the game and dish out the appropriate instructions to those around him.

2) A captain has to be calm especially in competitive matches. He should always be the first to step into an argument when there is one, to difuse the situation. There's no point in confronting the opposition and getting yourself sent off.

3) A captain must lead by example. When the chips are down, players look to him for motivation and he by playing out of his skin, he can inadvertently inspire those around him.

Based on the above, I'd pick the following captains for each category.

1) Roy Keane
2) John Terry
3) Steven Gerrard

The closest person I've seen to having all 3 traits in recent memory is Alan Shearer, when it comes to the EPL anyway.
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Steven Gerrard (Liverpool)

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I vote for TERRY FTW!!!!!
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Stevie G as he inspire the team & hav the aura (which normally great capt have) that makes the team thick.
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to the post saying that captain material are calm.

remember roy keane horro tackle against the manc feck?
remember roy keane sent off after a few words from shearer?
remember cantona's whack against cyrstal palace fan>
remember gerrard's stamp during merseyside derby?

captain must be combative...willing to fight with a gut sticking out.
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Dude thats an opinion only. If u wants to takes everything into accounts, then there is no more capt. Heck nowadays manager also gaduh doh.gif

I'm only arguing the position & the trait that a Capt supposed to have. Can u deny that taking into account the above mention offence, they are not a great capt? Capt are also human & it is the fiery competitiveness that makes them great.

If u want a nice guy for capt take Owen ( Michael that is). He is a great player no doubt but can he be a good captain? I dun think so
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QUOTE(vreis @ Nov 9 2006, 08:01 PM)
Dude thats an opinion only. If u wants to takes everything into accounts, then there is no more capt. Heck nowadays manager also gaduh doh.gif

I'm only arguing the position & the trait that a Capt supposed to have. Can u deny that taking into account the above mention offence, they are not a great capt? Capt are also human & it is the fiery competitiveness that makes them great.

If u want a nice guy for capt take Owen ( Michael that is). He is a great player no doubt but can he be a good captain? I dun think so
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If Capt not calm how are u making decision and analyst game on the spot? doh.gif

BTW I think couple of years down the road, Cesc will make a great Capt for the Gunners rclxms.gif
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terry will b my pick....
his calm..everytime...look at the match wif..spurs...he did not argue..much....wad the raferee...decides...he noes....how 2 control everting...he does not need to argue....since when did u c..terry gets a card?....except..for spurs tat match i suppose....so my choice will b...terry ......2nd choice would b gerrard...
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first choice would be gerrard. he saved liverpool countless of time, FA Cup final against westham, CL final against ac milan.

But the best captain of all time would be keano!!!
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Surely Terry. Double captain.
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If got Roy Keane.. I choose him.. but best captain in EPL.. i say Steven Gerard even though i'm a United fan..
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i am all for fiery captains ok. i am disagreeing with the post saying that captain are supposed to be calm.  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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I'll agree with you if you get a point everytime your captain is sent off.

Stevie is calm yet combative. He is combative when it comes to his playing style, but always keeps a cool head.

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a captain muz be calm all the times.. thats the most important thing..

how can a firely leader leads his team when he is on fire?

and for thos example u pointed out.. did u see it happened repeatedly??

it can happened to any1 on the field.. and guess wat? i think they will regret on wat they have done on the field after they got a red card
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keano and zidane is fiery.
but they still the best player & captain. =)

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I suspect that everyone will choose captains of their teams.

Just to make it more interesting, I'd go for Gary Speed because he is a steadying influence in the middle and has bags of experience.
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the best to me is Keano, but since he is retired now.. i choose stevie G, but my vote in the poll goes to G. Neville!!! tongue.gif
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the best to me is Keano, but since he is retired now.. i choose stevie G, but my vote in the poll goes to G. Neville!!! tongue.gif
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hhm... i'm also think Steve G is the best captain... but henry is good also..
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haha coz u r a Man Utd fan? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(bubucaca @ Nov 9 2006, 11:45 PM)
keano and zidane is fiery.
but they still the best player & captain. =)
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Zidane was never a good captain, he's way too quiet and doesn't stamp his authority on the ground. What the great man does is, he inspires his teammates to perform well with his wizardry, but that doesn't happen all the time. The only reason he was made captain in WC06 was because he's the player with the most experience in the France squad and was going to retire after that. I personally thought Thuram would've been a better captain.
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QUOTE(nck_ck @ Nov 10 2006, 05:04 AM)
Zidane was never a good captain, he's way too quiet and doesn't stamp his authority on the ground. What the great man does is, he inspires his teammates to perform well with his wizardry, but that doesn't happen all the time. The only reason he was made captain in WC06 was because he's the player with the most experience in the France squad and was going to retire after that. I personally thought Thuram would've been a better captain.
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which is why a calm person can never be a leader IMO. the more bad tempered u are, the better it is. tongue.gif for me at least. i always admired the captain who would go up to his teammates and give him a rollocking if he thinks they are playing badly. Great example is Roy Keane laying his hands on Phil Neville (Phil looked like he was going to cry thumbup.gif thumbup.gif )

I think Terry is leadership itself. When I watched the Reading game and Terry had the nerves to go up and become goalkeeper when no one else dared and how he gives referees a piece of his mind is just refreshing.
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QUOTE(nck_ck @ Nov 10 2006, 05:04 AM)
Zidane was never a good captain, he's way too quiet and doesn't stamp his authority on the ground. What the great man does is, he inspires his teammates to perform well with his wizardry, but that doesn't happen all the time. The only reason he was made captain in WC06 was because he's the player with the most experience in the France squad and was going to retire after that. I personally thought Thuram would've been a better captain.
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claims that zizou aint much of a captain can be argueable. we know zizou has his lieutenant's and so on, where even certain people claim that they were in charge of france's team. so good captain? maybe

id vote terry

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Nov 10 2006, 01:27 PM)
which is why a calm person can never be a leader IMO. the more bad tempered u are, the better it is. tongue.gif for me at least. i always admired the captain who would go up to his teammates and give him a rollocking if he thinks they are playing badly. Great example is Roy Keane laying his hands on Phil Neville (Phil looked like he was going to cry  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif )

I think Terry is leadership itself. When I watched the Reading game and Terry had the nerves to go up and become goalkeeper when no one else dared and how he gives referees a piece of his mind is just refreshing.
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but i dun remember terry r very bad tempered......i know roy keane r....but after some times he also know tat he need to calm down n analysis thing correctly....in the last few game tat he play for manu he also didnt receive many card as before.....so ain't a captain should be calm n not bad tempered?? flex.gif
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but i dun remember terry r very bad tempered......i know roy keane r....but after some times he also know tat he need to calm down n analysis thing correctly....in the last few game tat he play for manu he also didnt receive many card as before.....so ain't a captain should be calm n not bad tempered?? flex.gif
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not bad tempered just fiery. lead or be led and in england, gerrard is led by terry but its all a matter of opinion. i do respect people's opinion on why gerrard is a great leader but for me, he's a great player and he leads the team through his performances. he wins liverpool games. similiar to henry, but vieira and terry and KEANO (sorry for emphasis on Keane but i love the man), they dont score goals to win games but they lead their team thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
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and terry has the quality...tats y...england chosen him as the captain....great inspire to the team

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Nov 9 2006, 07:42 PM)
to the post saying that captain material are calm.

remember roy keane horro tackle against the manc feck?
remember roy keane sent off after a few words from shearer?
remember cantona's whack against cyrstal palace fan>
remember gerrard's stamp during merseyside derby?

captain must be combative...willing to fight with a gut sticking out.
Yes and a captain must also stay on the pitch. Please don't bring up his tackle against Haaland again. He admitted that it was deliberate and it was inexcusable. There should be no place for that in football.

Being combatitive is one thing but being an absolute barbarian is another. And it wasn't a post to say that all captains are calm. It was a post to suggest that all captains should be calm. Use their heads and not their fists.
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Yes and a captain must also stay on the pitch. Please don't bring up his tackle against Haaland again. He admitted that it was deliberate and it was inexcusable. There should be no place for that in football.

Being combatitive is one thing but being an absolute barbarian is another. And it wasn't a post to say that all captains are calm. It was a post to suggest that all captains should be calm. Use their heads and not their fists.
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well didnt keane stay on the pitch at most times? didnt terry do that at most times? heck even beloved gerrard got red carded as well for "silly" challenges. and keano was man enough to admit that he did it intentionally and he paid for it with the punishment. get over it. if u want to bring up keano's tackle being sickening, what about gerrard's stamp that tore flesh out of the evertonian during the merseyside derby!!!
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Nov 10 2006, 03:59 PM)
well didnt keane stay on the pitch at most times? didnt terry do that at most times? heck even beloved gerrard got red carded as well for "silly" challenges. and keano was man enough to admit that he did it intentionally and he paid for it with the punishment. get over it. if u want to bring up keano's tackle being sickening, what about gerrard's stamp that tore flesh out of the evertonian during the merseyside derby!!!
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well...gerrard tackle was not intentionally though....at least he was not trying to end his opponent career......but with keane deliberately trying to end haaland career with those kind of tackles...really is hmm....... shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Nov 10 2006, 03:59 PM)
well didnt keane stay on the pitch at most times? didnt terry do that at most times? heck even beloved gerrard got red carded as well for "silly" challenges. and keano was man enough to admit that he did it intentionally and he paid for it with the punishment. get over it. if u want to bring up keano's tackle being sickening, what about gerrard's stamp that tore flesh out of the evertonian during the merseyside derby!!
Why are you in the habit of repeating everything I've said? I already said that it should not be brought up again. And I also said that Keane admitted to it, so what's your point? I am over it because I was never under it in the first place. You were the one that brought up the issue of captains having to be combatitive and you cited examples where the respective players were sent of for their unruly behaviour rather than combatitive spirit. I then said, it's important for captains to stay on the pitch. Why the hell are you putting words into my mouth? Did I ever defend Gerrard for making reckless challenges though his wasn't deliberate? Read and then try to comprehend my posts before jumping to conclusions.

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Why are you in the habit of repeating everything I've said? I already said that it should not be brought up again. And I also said that Keane admitted to it, so what's your point? I am over it because I was never under it in the first place. You were the one that brought up the issue of captains having to be combatitive and you cited examples where the respective players were sent of for their unruly behaviour rather than combatitive spirit. I then said, it's important for captains to stay on the pitch. Why the hell are you putting words into my mouth? Did I ever defend Gerrard for making reckless challenges though his wasn't deliberate? Read and then try to comprehend my posts before jumping to conclusions.
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Thing is I was attacking or defending anyone which is why I said it was better not to cite those examples because it can potentially get everyone started on attacking the players involved. The fact that I was attacked for saying that those were bad examples of what a captain should be surprised me. I for one will not defend any player be it my own, if they commit atrocious acts. Gerrard was reckless during the earlier parts of his careers, no doubt and I personally do not condone such behaviour. I just think it was a case of being overly defensive when there was no need to.
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i vote stevie.. he is just too important to liverpool.. if he play well the whole team will too..
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not bad tempered just fiery. lead or be led and in england, gerrard is led by terry but its all a matter of opinion. i do respect people's opinion on why gerrard is a great leader but for me, he's a great player and he leads the team through his performances. he wins liverpool games. similiar to henry, but vieira and terry and KEANO (sorry for emphasis on Keane but i love the man), they dont score goals to win games but they lead their team  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Fiery...
So does that mean Robbie Savage would make a great captain?

A captain inspires his team, and not just cause trouble on the pitch.
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JT is okay but my vote goes to stevie G. he is the best capt atm. i wish he can come to old trafford and bcome our new capt. tongue.gif
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Fiery...
So does that mean Robbie Savage would make a great captain?

A captain inspires his team, and not just cause trouble on the pitch.
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he just plain stupid...
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Steven Gerrard . The future England Captain
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I've no other choice but to go for Stevie G.
Without him, I wonder how's Liverpool gonna make it.
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Steven Gerrard . The future England Captain
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terry and gerrard age wasnt that much different, i dont think there will be another england captain selection for at least another 5 years.


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do you know well robbie savage?
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I've no other choice but to go for Stevie G.
Without him, I wonder how's Liverpool gonna make it.
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that's what i was trying to say, those other candidates are all great captain, but the problem is even if u take them off from their respective team it won't affect too much their team performance but if u take stevie g away from us(Liverpool) we will suffer.. we have seen so many matches that he alone drag the whole team on from losing to winning.. flex.gif
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From the current ones, i choose Stevie G.
If I had to choose from during the 90's, I'd say Keano, Adams, and Vieira.
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england captain already chosen la    doh.gif

terry and gerrard age wasnt that much different, i dont think there will be another england captain selection for at least another 5 years.
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JT is okay but my vote goes to stevie G. he is the best capt atm. i wish he can come to old trafford and bcome our new capt. tongue.gif
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All I know was Stevie G had a trial with various clubs, including Man United.
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Yeah... if only SAF could read the future. biggrin.gif
All I know was Stevie G had a trial with various clubs, including Man United.
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Sorry....None of the guys above inspires a team as much as i see this one person fit most. Not being biased here....i see the best leadership among the list would have to be Stevie G and John Terry. That said, they're still in a long course to match the likes of their predecessors....Roy Keane, Tony Adams, Alan Shearer, Paul Merson, Dennis Wise,
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another great captain in making i think is scott parker...great in tackle and commanding...but honestly say John terry and stevie is good a great job to their clubs..
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anybody want to talk about henry?
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erm...henry is a good leader also but less talking or commanding...but he really try hard to become arsenal captain..see his perfomance against Barcelona last season and i kinda respect him bcoz he respect other players and fans
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Im an arsenal fan but really, i think the best captain in EPL currently would be Terry and Stevie G. thats it. none comes close to this.
Before this i would think Viera ..he commands everything but Stevie G and Terry is in a league of thier own.

U can put them in the same league as Adams and Wise.

Oh and i think Olof Mellberg deserves to be mention here. Not sure where he is now but when he was with aston villa, he commanded the whole team

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i think mellberg still with aston villa

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QUOTE(Mie @ Nov 12 2006, 05:59 PM)
i think mellberg still with aston villa
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The best captain is the one who will bring the whole team to play well along with him. If Stevie G plays well, Liverpool will 99% win the game. That's why he got my vote.. Full stop. And I'm a Liverpool fan.
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hmm... for past ten years i think the best captain was ROY KEANE.. right? many cup... also treble in 98/99..
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QUOTE(em_meel @ Nov 13 2006, 04:06 AM)
hmm... for past ten years i think the best captain was ROY KEANE.. right? many cup... also treble in 98/99..
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Stevie is definitely a good captain.. but to me still ..
the best captain of all time is Roy Keane.....
Not even Cantona can match Keane on captaincy.. this is my opinion..

Stevie however is a different figure compare to Keane... and of coz Stevie is still young.. He has many years more to prove he can be the best..

although I nvr forget about Chelsea's captain.. John Terry is an ideal captain as well.


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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Nov 10 2006, 02:56 PM)
not bad tempered just fiery. lead or be led and in england, gerrard is led by terry but its all a matter of opinion. i do respect people's opinion on why gerrard is a great leader but for me, he's a great player and he leads the team through his performances. he wins liverpool games. similiar to henry, but vieira and terry and KEANO (sorry for emphasis on Keane but i love the man), they dont score goals to win games but they lead their team  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(O-haiyo @ Nov 11 2006, 11:28 AM)
do you know well robbie savage?
he just plain stupid...
yeah...stupid fiery
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The best example has to be Vinnie Jones who was captain for the infamous 'Crazy Gang'. He holds the record for the quickest yellow card in the world. He got booked just 3 seconds into the game! Wimbledon were by far the biggest nutters in the league. You have to read some of their dressing room stories to know what a bunch of retards they were.
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yea no doubt...Steven GERARD! even though i'm a man utd fan but i repect this guy ! thumbup.gif he's important to liverpool like how henry is to arsenal! Stevie G almost single-handedly won games for liverpool many many times d. simply brilliant player.

Good OLd days- i go for ROy Keane n Cantona...Keane for with him on the pitch man utd was just a different team compared to when he's not...Cantona for having his own style n scoring important goals at important times...remember the goal he scored VS liverpool!! thumbup.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Nov 13 2006, 05:25 PM)
The best example has to be Vinnie Jones who was captain for the infamous 'Crazy Gang'. He holds the record for the quickest yellow card in the world. He got booked just 3 seconds into the game! Wimbledon were by far the biggest nutters in the league. You have to read some of their dressing room stories to know what a bunch of retards they were.
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good ol' juggernaut...was a player for the russians you know...

i'd go with keano as well,not just becoz i'm a man united fan but there is no oubt he was filled with leadership qualities...always backing his players and is very,very vocal...something which gary lacks....

stevie g is fine for me as well...but hated him a little bit after he started diving all over the place just as he criticized that the premiership was tainted by foreigners doing it,then he started doing it...but like somewhat said...when he plays well,pool plays well...god to see that he's getting bsck games in the centre
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J. Terry, although he looks weird...
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i think allan shearer deserved to a praise as well....he's been really committed to newscastle...even without winning trophies..he's happy to stay...discipline and good...wat a great captain he is.. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(qintian @ Nov 9 2006, 11:15 PM)
a captain muz be calm all the times.. thats the most important thing..

how can a firely leader leads his team when he is on fire?

and for thos example u pointed out.. did u see it happened repeatedly??

it can happened to any1 on the field.. and guess wat? i think they will regret on wat they have done on the field after they got a red card
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haha.. if like that it means terry is not a good captain
y? he always argue, play dirty when chelsea were at behind
example : chelsea vs barcelona, chelsea vs tottenham
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terry is a clean player dude. my vote goes to terry and probably zola/keane.
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haha.. u didnt watch those matches?
i also pelik, what the hell wif terry at that time
chelsea were behind then he play rough pulak
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QUOTE(air_mood @ Dec 1 2006, 10:23 AM)
stevie g is fine for me as well...but hated him a little bit after he started diving all over the place just as he criticized that the premiership was tainted by foreigners doing it,then he started doing it...but like somewhat said...when he plays well,pool plays well...god to see that he's getting bsck games in the centre
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Aye he did and that pissed me off as well. His most blatant dive must have been when he went down in the box in an international friendly just before the World Cup Finals, can't remember which team it was against.

Everyone is going for the big names and therefore I thought of giving a special mention to Gary Speed at Bolton. Age is not on his side but he still works tirelessly in midfield for them.
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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ Dec 1 2006, 11:00 AM)
haha.. u didnt watch those matches?
i also pelik, what the hell wif terry at that time
chelsea were behind then he play rough pulak
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hey terry did not play rough...
y?.... u saw tat 1 chelsea game den u can start judging terrys captaincy ability?

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In the past, it was Roy Keane. But for now I would say Steven Gerrard. He is one of the best captain I had seen so far. Inspiring, pushing the team morale up and scoring crucial goals.
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my vote goes to Terry... he leads his club to victory and hopefully, he will lead his country as well... smile.gif
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hey terry did not play rough...
y?.... u saw tat 1 chelsea game den u can start judging terrys captaincy ability?
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im not saying terry is bad captain
when wc i also wonder y beckham is the captain, not stevie g or terry
for me beckham is not good as a captain
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For current EPL, my vote goes to Terry and Gerrard. Awesome determination and managed to influence their team mate.
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at the moment henry is injured and it seems that gilberto is a very good back-up captain smile.gif
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For the time being, still Stevie...
But if we were to talk about the best all time, it would have been Keane.
Zola was good too during his days.
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at the moment henry is injured and it seems that gilberto is a very good back-up captain  smile.gif
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Henry should secede his captaincy to Gilberto, then he'll play better. I remember when he first got his captaincy, all the ESPNStar pundits kept saying that will ruin Henry's game, too much responsibility for one man. And now look what happened to Henry, suffering from mental breakdown.

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although i'm a man utd fan my vote goes to gerrard for the sheer influence & presence he has on da entire team...gary neville to me seems too soft n doesnt seem to b able to influence da game alot eventhough he often makes those runs down da right wing...plus, he doesnt seem to defend his players da way keane would scream if a decision doesnt go his team's way.

if it was da best captain of all time, i would say roy keane without a doubt
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The best captain of all is still RKeane for me...
but for current..no doubt is Gerrard for the ability to change the game and Terry the ability to control teamates...

I remebered when Ars - Liv match... Gerrard get f**ked by Riise or vise..Gerrard need to be more fierce ^^ like Viera and Keane ~
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I always respected Roy Keane for having the balls to confront the referee whenever a decision went against MU. He's more than willing to get a yellow card just to let the referee have a piece of his mind. Best illustrated when got yellow carded against Juventus when he got a yellow card and missed the CL final.

Raul is hardworking and such, but he lacks that dominating presence on the field. Maybe Raul is the modern type of captains. More diplomatic type.
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While I do agree that captains should possess at least some fire in their bellies, I don't think they need to be that verbal especially during confrontations. Take Paul Ince for example, he was verbal I'd give him that but there is a reason he's called the guvnor. In the end his mouth was a distruptive influence which led to him being sold by Manchester United, Inter Milan and even Liverpool. I'd much prefer diplomatic captains during confrontations.

Though the topic is on influential captains, we cannot discount the role that co-captains play in a team. While captains are seen as 'Generals' on the park, co-captains play an important 'Drill Sergeant' role, or can assume the role if they wish. Good examples of 'Drill Sergeants' are Jamie Carragher and Roberto Ayala. They do not adorn the armband but that doesn't stop them from barking instructions and lambasting the opposition, refs or even teammates.
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Steven Gerard me thinks. tongue.gif
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Vocal defenders and keepers should be given credit for organizing the defense as well. Cassilas comes to mind.
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No matter which captain, I still vote for MU captain!!! MU rockz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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i think it has to be John Terry. Look at how chelsea is performing esp in its defence dept w/o Terry. The defence line look like crap. No one to organise the backline. The midfield has also been affected. Even makelele is losing posession so often without JT on the pitch

My vote - Terry, J.
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QUOTE(abcdefcuk @ Jan 2 2007, 04:07 PM)
i think it has to be John Terry. Look at how chelsea is performing esp in its defence dept w/o Terry. The defence line look like crap. No one to organise the backline. The midfield has also been affected. Even makelele is losing posession so often without JT on the pitch

My vote - Terry, J.
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me vote for gerrard...
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i pick Gerrard. Reason?

same as people who pick gerrard also.
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i vote for the time being is Stevie G.
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i voted John Terry even though i'm not blues fan..
but, Steven Gerrard is good too..
look at final ECL, liverpool vs milan.. rclxms.gif
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I don't understand in why Gerrard is the best captain the EPL now. What has he done to inspire LIV this season? In fact, he's not playing the way he played in the previous seasons.

Terry should be the best captain IMO. Not just a world class defender, but an excellent captain. Look at how Chelsea is coping w/o him at the back. They obviously are missing his leadership role and also his defensive presence.
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my vote

the current one - john tery

past one - roy keane
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stevie g. he's having some slump of form. but when he's working, the team's working. n mind u, this vote is coming from liverpool's arch rival.
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Gilberto isn't doing a bad job.
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I think for now Gerard still stood out from da rest...Maybe its bcuz Terry is around tat much and i cant really rate his leadership skill if to compare wit Gerard..

however i think Chelsea does miss him alot since there's noone to control da defence..
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John Terry for me. Got the voice and action to speak for him.
Gerrard is more about action to me. Both great players.

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Best improved I would say Scot Parker.
As he was anonymous in Chelsea, really did well now he is at Newcastle.
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john terry... he was a commanding figure in the last Chelsea-Barca match in Nou Camp... Chelsea were left 2-1 and what he did was really admirable and unbelievable... center back but playing in the attacking side that helps droba to score late goal... icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(emy_xvidia @ Jan 4 2007, 01:25 PM)
john terry... he was a commanding figure in the last Chelsea-Barca match in Nou Camp... Chelsea were left 2-1 and what he did was really admirable and unbelievable... center back but playing in the attacking side that helps droba to score late goal...  icon_idea.gif
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ur voting him the best just because of one game?

anyway he is one of the best, alongside gerrard and currently gilberto too.

he did awesomely well since taking over the armband as henry was injured.

score many goals as well
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it just like vios v city and myvi v savvy

for me is dunne of man.city hands.gif

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QUOTE(thteh86 @ Jan 5 2007, 11:31 AM)
Stevie, without a doubt
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ur voting him the best just because of one game?

anyway he is one of the best, alongside gerrard and currently gilberto too.

he did awesomely well since taking over the armband as henry was injured.

score many goals as well
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of course not... that was just one of many examples taken to show his leadership skill really influences his team mates...
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best captain in this few season i would say its john terry....chelsea suffering without him...
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I select Steven Gerrard.

Gary Neville is a good captain for me. But if you ask who is the best captain in EPL, I will say Steven Gerrard. Everyone knows his contribution.

I will prefer Gerrard to wear England armband also. But he only selected as vice-captain.
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stevie g. ^- i 2nd that, would like to see stevie become cptn of england
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stevie g for me.pure inspiration, great determination.but if you ask best captain of all time, maybe i would say keano
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Stevie G is one of the most influential captains in the EPL... Liverpool really need his leadership when in the run-in for the title!

Gary is also a great captain though... He is an able replacement for Keano although not in the Stevie mould yet...
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My money to Steven Gerrard.

For my team (Arsenal), I think Gilberto is more suitable
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one vote for stevie boy, he's superb especially when he's on fire... smile.gif

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QUOTE(williamlee_1985 @ Jan 5 2007, 10:41 AM)
ur voting him the best just because of one game?

anyway he is one of the best, alongside gerrard and currently gilberto too.

he did awesomely well since taking over the armband as henry was injured.

score many goals as well
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Who's the worst Captain? Maybe West Ham or Fulham captain?
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Steven Gerrard ----- why i choose him?? because his passion for ball and also never say die attitude....even his team is in poor form, he can create miracle like in the CL final when they vs AC Milan....3 goals down....if that match don't have Stevie....i'm confirm there won't be a miracle for Liverpool won that cup....

Gary Neville ----- his performance is great and consistence. but i feel he too nice and soft for his team mate...some player like Rooney and Ronaldo, if these two guy make mistake, i dont think he dare to give some advice to them esspecially Rooney.


John Terry ---- he is good captain, but his team got a lot of super star....cover up his natural leadership skill....

Scot Parker ----- he is good, but dont have enough experience and skill to spice up the team

Henry ----- i prefer him to play without the captain status, cause when he take the captaincy, he look like got the burden when his team in poor form, if he doesn't take the captaincy, i think he still the Golden Boot is belong to him. without the catain bag, i think he is far better than be captain. A good striker

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Actually when look at teams with many stars, they are sure much better.
Even though i am a kop, my vote goes to KEVIN NOLAN, people didn't notice how he command his mates, unlike okocha , he playmake the boltons.

His workrate is tremendous.
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Steven Gerrard...He can inspired the whole team and become a role-model for youngsters to follow.... thumbup.gif
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No doubt, Steven Gerrard get my vote. An influencial captain.
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yup. Steven G. he lead by example...
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Gerrard.. he never disappoint u when liverpool need something.. he will score goal, motivate the team through his goal, assist to goal...
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QUOTE(outsider @ Jan 10 2007, 08:01 PM)
Stevie....i'm confirm there won't be a miracle for Liverpool won that cup....

Gary Neville ----- his performance is great and consistence. but i feel he too nice and soft for his team mate...some player like Rooney and Ronaldo, if these two guy make mistake, i dont think he dare to give some advice to them esspecially Rooney.


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Gerrard confirm is the choice among all.
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For sure it is gerrard..and the second place shud be Roy Keane..
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Stevie G, hands-down.

He has single-handedly lifted the team on so many occasions, and not just because of his footballing abilities, but also the passion, work rate and fighting attitude that he brings to the game.

Also of notable mention are Thierry Henry & John Terry.
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QUOTE(ckkean @ Apr 4 2007, 10:28 PM)
Steven Gerrard...He can inspired the whole team and become a role-model for youngsters to follow.... thumbup.gif
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still remember how he make comeback for liverpool in the final CL 2005
he score the first goal for liverpool in final cl againts milan,

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Liverpool's Steven Gerrad, easily. Perhaps he should be given England's armband as well?
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cantona la..siapa lagi...
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QUOTE(eltan @ Apr 9 2007, 11:57 AM)
cantona la..siapa lagi...
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QUOTE(eltan @ Apr 9 2007, 12:57 PM)
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QUOTE(scorps @ Apr 9 2007, 09:26 AM)
still remember how he make comeback for liverpool in the final CL 2005
he score the first goal for liverpool in final cl againts milan,
What really sticks in my mind is not his headed goal but what he did afterwards. For those of you that remember, he was waving his arms up and down asking the crowd to get behind the team, and also urging his teammates not to let their heads drop and to push on. That is what you call leading by example. Also remember the goals against Olympiacos (where we needed to score one more goal to qualify for the knockout stages of the UCL and our captain duly responded with a 30 yard cracker) and West Ham (PA announcer : "Ladies and Gentlemen, there will be 4 minutes of added time... Andy Gray : "Gerrardddd.... You beauty! Take a bow son, take a bow. That was absolutely top draw. We know that name son".

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i vote for GERRARD ...bring team to success..
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ryan nelsen from blackburn.

damn fckin good leadership
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 9 2007, 01:54 PM)
What really sticks in my mind is not his headed goal but what he did afterwards. For those of you that remember, he was waving his arms up and down asking the crowd to get behind the team, and also urging his teammates not to let their heads drop and to push on. That is what you call leading by example. Also remember the goals against Olympiacos (where we needed to score one more goal to qualify for the knockout stages of the UCL and our captain duly responded with a 30 yard cracker) and West Ham (PA announcer : "Ladies and Gentlemen, there will be 4 minutes of added time... Andy Gray : "Gerrardddd.... You beauty! Take a bow son, take a bow. That was absolutely top draw. We know that name son".
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I remember that Bluenose shouting that as well. Gerrard was pointing to the name behind is back while Mr. Gray was having an orgasm. How he wished the bitters had someone like that. Haha.

And the the most vivid memory of Gerrard in Istanbul was when he smashed the shit out of Serginho. No one messes with Liverpool. Simple yet effective message.
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QUOTE(eltan @ May 15 2007, 11:48 AM)
ryan nelsen from blackburn.

damn fckin good leadership
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i choose gerrard over terry... because he's got the aura...
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The talismanic Stevie G!!
yeah agree zaxxshoxx regarding the 'aura'
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My choice will be Steven Gerrard.
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Steven Gerrard without a doubt..
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terry here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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wa.. as a liverpool fan it has to be stevie G.. but as a neutral viewer i'd say its a tie between Stevie G and T. Henry.... both are great captains..
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gareth barry for me.....fancy him when he doin overlab the midfield tongue.gif
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as neutral, stevie G
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as we know captain had a very big influence in a team. choosing right captain definitely will effect the whole team. So who do you think the best captain that had capable to give an impact in the team
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captain fantastic
superb techique
great scoring ability
inspiring playmaker
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Currently I think John Terry is the best captain .....
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how about captain jack sparrow ? laugh.gif

i'll go for John Terry for club captain. Stevie G was fine but the one time U-turn after the istanbul.....
even though he'd been trying hard lately.....
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khaironisam shahabudin hahahaha..just joking..but its actually hard to deciede between jt dgn stevie g... both is in diffrent angle... but i prefer jt ofcourse..he can defend goals more than the keeper can. is it? he usually the right man at the right time..
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QUOTE(sexy boyz @ Jul 18 2007, 12:06 PM)
stevie G  thumbup.gif
captain fantastic
superb techique
great scoring ability
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Vieira and Keane always in my list....

if current.....

Terry get my vote
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if count on current days then i vote stevie g s neutral rclxms.gif
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stevie.. he's the engine of the team..he jus drives u all the way.
IMO, he shud make the cut for the country. then maybe or probably england will be back in the TOP 10 ranking. thumbup.gif
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gary neville.
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Stevie G hands down...Without him Liverpool will be nothing..
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just wanted to find out what are your definitions of being a good captain?

is it in the way he plays his football?
or his influence (character)?
or the way he motivates/talks to his team?

yes, i'm a chelsea fan, but Captain John Terry has NEVER EVER given 1% short of 110% to the team. He pumps his head in to get a goal, irregardless of the danger involved.



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John Terry is the best in EPL
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QUOTE(Reimao @ Jul 18 2007, 10:23 PM)
Stevie G hands down...Without him Liverpool will be nothing..
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even i m manutd fans....but i still thnk that gerard is the best captain..
after i watched the champion league final at 2003...
he always encourage his teammate whenever had happened...
gerard..the best captain...
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QUOTE(Ryan11 @ Jul 19 2007, 10:34 AM)
even i m manutd fans....but i still thnk that gerard is the best captain..
after i watched the champion league final at 2003...
he always encourage his teammate whenever had happened...
gerard..the best captain...
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Carra would make a great captain, same mould as Terry I would say thumbup.gif
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Steven gerrard. nuff said.
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even though i am a arsenal supporter....i am gonna go for terry on this one ! he is a natural leader who know how to influence his team-mates.....
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but if count of the best epl captain of all time... i will say tony adams and roy keane ... notworthy.gif
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where's cantona ?dennis wise? roy keane?
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who is West Ham captain now since Reo Coker left?
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i vote for john terry! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cardtrick89 @ Jul 19 2007, 07:12 PM)
where's cantona ?dennis wise? roy keane?
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For me, my pick is Stevie G, followed by John Terry, and then only Gary Neville... Gary was injured for a large chunk of the 06/07 season's second half, otherwise he would have featured higher in my list...
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Gary face looks like hes incredibly tired of all this football business. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Ranny @ Jul 19 2007, 11:53 PM)
who is West Ham captain now since Reo Coker left?
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Good question, did Boa Morte take over the captaincy towards the end of the season? Can't remember. I won't be surprised if Scott Parker gets elected this coming season.
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Curbs has already made Parker captain when he first came, didn't he?
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jul 20 2007, 11:24 AM)
Good question, did Boa Morte take over the captaincy towards the end of the season? Can't remember. I won't be surprised if Scott Parker gets elected this coming season.
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JT definitely... He got the leadership quality and he always backs up his players when they are in troubles... That for me is the most important criteria for a good captain smile.gif
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i think the top two with leadership, taiko attitude, always back-up player, against ref decision would be in the past...

Patrick Vieira (Arsenal) & Roy Keane (Man utd) notworthy.gif

nowadays i don't think the captain stand up for the team especially Henry... cry.gif


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I'm surprised you didn't mention Paul Ince then, he was always in the thick of everything.
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i get the impression that everyone here thinks that tough tackers = good captains :S
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i get the impression that everyone here thinks that tough tackers = good captains :S
You are right, people are focusing more on the physical aspects of a captain;

a) Has verbal diarrhea and can often be seen screaming at the top of his voice as though he was at a rock concert.
b) Acts like a 'tai kor' during confrontations with other players, pointing his finger in their face, asking him how he wants to 'settle'.
c) Goes into every challenge like the opposition player slept with his mother and told the whole world how bad she is in bed, like that nutter, Vinnie Jones (how does one get sent off after only 7 seconds?).

I won't deny the importance of these traits but I believe their mental attributes are more important;

a) Calm - Won't pop a vain when the ref gives a decision against him, proceeding to shower the ref in spit by protesting to him while an inch from his ear, and eventually getting himself sent off. Instead of taking out his mobile phone to call for backup, captains should do all they can to pacify their players so as to not get sent off by giving them and ice cream cone or a lollipop.

b) Intelligence - Can at least spell basic words and thus identify his teammates by the names on the back of their jerseys.

c) Spirit - I'm not suggesting that captains should become alcoholics like Tony Adams. I've always admired army generals that lead the charge, though I have serious doubts over them living a long life. Maybe I've been watching too many movies, but there is nothing more motivating than seeing your leader leading you into battle rather than staying at the back, playing with his PSP while you charge into battle.

d) Determination - Even when playing against a team of 300 Spartans, captains should inspire and motivate their teams to play above themselves. To dig deep when times are bleak and prove that even thought Arcadians grow flowers, sew baju or dance ballet for a living, they can kickass when required.



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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jul 20 2007, 03:20 PM)
You are right, people are focusing more on the physical aspects of a captain;

a) Has verbal diarrhea and can often be seen screaming at the top of his voice as though he was at a rock concert.
b) Acts like a 'tai kor' during confrontations with other players, pointing his finger in their face, asking him how he wants to 'settle'.
c) Goes into every challenge like the opposition player slept with his mother and told the whole world how bad she is in bed, like that nutter, Vinnie Jones (how does one get sent off after only 7 seconds?).

I won't deny the importance of these traits but I believe their mental attributes are more important;

a) Calm - Won't pop a vain when the ref gives a decision against him, proceeding to shower the ref in spit by protesting to him while an inch from his ear, and eventually getting himself sent off. Instead of taking out his mobile phone to call for backup, captains should do all they can to pacify their players so as to not get sent off by giving them and ice cream cone or a lollipop.

b) Intelligence - Can at least spell basic words and thus identify his teammates by the names on the back of their jerseys.

c) Spirit - I'm not suggesting that captains should become alcoholics like Tony Adams. I've always admired army generals that lead the charge, though I have serious doubts over them living a long life. Maybe I've been watching too many movies, but there is nothing more motivating than seeing your leader leading you into battle rather than staying at the back, playing with his PSP while you charge into battle.

d) Determination - Even when playing against a team of 300 Spartans, captains should inspire and motivate their teams to play above themselves. To dig deep when times are bleak and prove that even thought Arcadians grow flowers, sew baju or dance ballet for a living, they can kickass when required.
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there is no doubt, gerrard is the best captain eva!! hope cappello can switch the armband to stevie g. john terry? hav character in chelsea. not in england itrnational. he is really 'poyo' one. not the best captain, not the best defender.

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Steve gerrard gerrard
he passes the ball 40 yards
he's big and he's f'cking hard
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QUOTE(-Y- @ Jan 19 2008, 10:44 AM)
there is no doubt, gerrard is the best captain eva!! hope cappello can switch the armband to stevie g. john terry? hav character in chelsea. not in england itrnational. he is really 'poyo' one. not the best captain, not the best defender.
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yeah agree, he was a very good captain for the previous chelsea team, where there are not many "superstars" as todays squad. recently i noticed he become very ego. certainly doesnt have that characteristic of a captain for england, even though i am a man united fan, am also england fan, so let gerrard be the captain... he is in the squad longer than terry...just an opinion, both are very good captains at respective clubs...


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i get the impression that everyone here thinks that tough tackers = good captains :S
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nah, its more of the determination and influence part of the player rather than physical or tough tackling...but then again tough tackling midfielders always associated with very high determination = will do anything for the club = big influence around the team = good captain. wink.gif i maybe wrong, but thats my opinion. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Of all time best captain I'll go for Keane. But atm I think Terry.
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patrik viera for sure......if not roy keane...
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I choose Stevie G as he inspire Liverpool and without him will be disastorous..
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it gotta be keano and cantona but of the curent active captain,
it is a tie; terry and gerrard.
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terrys the best la...hes like the best defender in the world...y do ppl call...other defender as....2nd john terry?...simply bcoz his the best defender and captain...to compare wif....he can lead he can influence he can inspire...he got the *roar* aura wif him...and his surely tough 1..the defending back line no need to worry...when got terry there...the striker do not need to run back to defend...wasting stamina...they can juz stay offencing...terry's absence is a big blow for both england and chelsea witout him there will b more wif goal concede....am i right?

stevie g..mm yea he has some power wif him and win some important game when losing ... hes tough can shoot hard run fast can tackle well but sumtimes rough abit... but dun think his captaincy will b better than terry...

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Just out of curiosity, what does being the best defender in the world (arguable) have to do with being a captain? Not all the best players in the world are captains of their clubs. Captaincy has more to do with a players attitude, no?
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Is Terry even the 'best' defender in the world?
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Just out of curiosity, what does being the best defender in the world (arguable) have to do with being a captain? Not all the best players in the world are captains of their clubs. Captaincy has more to do with a players attitude, no?
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Charisma and PR are attributing factors when selecting a captain as the captain is the person that represents a club/country. Not many clubs would want a captain to come out calling fans as the 'prawn sandwich brigade' and not many managers would dare having a manager having a right go at his own player {thinks of poor little Phil Neville laugh.gif}.
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maybe he have a captaincy skills...

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im a liverpool suporter but roy keane is my choice.
stevie g can be great when he wants to. but roy is influencial everytime hes on the pitch.
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If you ask me which is the best captain ever to have graced the premiership, Roy Keane without a doubt.
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If you ask me which is the best captain ever to have graced the premiership, Roy Keane without a doubt.
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yeah i would say terry is the best defender in his class... remember about AF said.. keep away your ball from terry
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I have to admit that stevie G is the captain of all captain in EPL..terry maybe a good defender but in terms of leadership i personally think that rio ferdinand and william gallas are better than him.
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yeah i would say terry is the best defender in his class... remember about AF said.. keep away your ball from terry
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I don't think so. Terry being a punk more than a leader. What about taking the card from the ref's hand? Yes, if you're a captain, you must defend your subordinates. But taking the card from the ref is just too much. The best defender? Try beat Carragher, Ferdinand and Gallas first. Hell, put Vidic in as well. He is way way way better than your Terry.

As for the best captain at the moment, I would say yes to Gerrard. He lifts up the morale of the whole team. Rooney has the same characteristics but he is far far away from taking over the captaincy.
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hi i`m new here....i agree with u..captain marvel!!!!
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i think ferdinand & toure is the best defender in epl. terry? nop. he only love to shout & egomaniac. i think ballack deserve the captain than terry. flex.gif
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i think ferdinand & toure is the best defender in epl. terry? nop. he only love to shout & egomaniac. i think ballack deserve the captain than terry.  flex.gif
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still think Nesta as the best defender...OT this hehe sorry...but as for captaincy...for me at the moment, its got to be Gerrard. Ballack seems to more suitable for current Chelsea team. For the all time fav, its got to be Roy Keane. Robust at times, yes, but not many can beat him as a player and as a leader...T. Henry is not suitable as a captain, heck, Arsenal even play better as a team when he is not around. Talented, yes, but not as a captain.
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QUOTE(gr8fr8 @ Jan 20 2008, 11:09 PM)
still think Nesta as the best defender...OT this hehe sorry...but as for captaincy...for me at the moment, its got to be Gerrard. Ballack seems to more suitable for current Chelsea team. For the all time fav, its got to be Roy Keane. Robust at times, yes, but not many can beat him as a player and as a leader...T. Henry is not suitable as a captain, heck, Arsenal even play better as a team when he is not around. Talented, yes, but not as a captain.
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huh?..owh plz...u wana compare defenders?....plz put terry in ur eye b4 u say so...other than cannavaro and nesta , i dun c any defender can outclass terry at this moment...
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the current captain is the best chooses by their own management.. there's no point in arguing in here
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huh?..owh plz...u wana compare defenders?....plz put terry in ur eye b4 u say so...other than cannavaro and nesta , i dun c any defender can outclass terry at this moment...
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please put maldini, gallas, ferdinand, carragher and vidic. they are far far far better than terry is.
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please put maldini, gallas, ferdinand, carragher and vidic. they are far far far better than terry is.
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....far far better?...yea u wish...
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some people won't just accept the truth ... whistling.gif just compare the current form of your so-called best defender with any of the names that I've mentioned in the previous post. How's that for a finding? sweat.gif
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k.toure, ferdinand n carragher are better than terry tongue.gif ..
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lol hus not accepting the truth....
look y england wants terry to play so much instead of ferdinand... who plays more important role in england...team defence ?...u tell me.....wads fact...why ppl still wana deny this

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lol hus not accepting the truth....
look y england wants terry to play so much instead of ferdinand... who plays more important role in england...team?...u tell me.....wads fact...why ppl still wana deny this
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You sure about that? I havent heard anything from capello since he was hired...yes last season terry was in good form and playing well, this season is different..right now i would say that both terry and ferdinand are equally important.
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lol hus not accepting the truth....
look y england wants terry to play so much instead of ferdinand... who plays more important role in england...team defence ?...u tell me.....wads fact...why ppl still wana deny this
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Well put it this way, we all know that England players are picked mostly because of reputation. The pressures from the media are great and McLaren could not ignore this, hence why he insisted on picking players who weren't performing internationally including Steven Gerrard. As such I wouldn't use the fact that he is an England regular as testament to his ability.

Being a Chelsea fan, it's understandable for you to be pro-Terry. For you to claim that he is the best defender in the world, you first have to have seen other defenders play consistently. It is a BIG claim and you have to justify it with some reasoning if you want people to take you seriously. I do think he is one of the best in the Premiership but you simply cannot dismiss the rest without so much as batting an eyelid.
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Once in last year in Man Utd game against i cant remember, Ryan Giggs lead the team from the moment when the whistle blowed. Second half on 60+ mins, Sir Alex call for subtitution and wanted to rest Giggs because eventually we already won the the game. On his way to the bench, he strip off the captain's armband and pass it to...guess who..??




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lol hus not accepting the truth....
look y england wants terry to play so much instead of ferdinand... who plays more important role in england...team defence ?...u tell me.....wads fact...why ppl still wana deny this
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Once in last year in Man Utd game against i cant remember, Ryan Giggs lead the team from the moment when the whistle blowed. Second half on 60+ mins, Sir Alex call for subtitution and wanted to rest Giggs because eventually we already won the the game. On his way to the bench, he strip off the captain's armband and pass it to...guess who..??
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Well put it this way, we all know that England players are picked mostly because of reputation. The pressures from the media are great and McLaren could not ignore this, hence why he insisted on picking players who weren't performing internationally including Steven Gerrard. As such I wouldn't use the fact that he is an England regular as testament to his ability.

Being a Chelsea fan, it's understandable for you to be pro-Terry. For you to claim that he is the best defender in the world, you first have to have seen other defenders play consistently. It is a BIG claim and you have to justify it with some reasoning if you want people to take you seriously. I do think he is one of the best in the Premiership but you simply cannot dismiss the rest without so much as batting an eyelid.
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yea i understand tat duke....im ready for any debate on this.....is juz tat...im aware of this *far far better than terry*
wads up wif the nonsense man...anti-chelsea there?....u get mi there?is like ppl saying carragher is no where near top defenders class...zzzzz...hows ur feeling man...y cant respect abit rite?

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QUOTE(taor3n @ Jan 21 2008, 09:17 PM)
yea i understand tat duke....im ready for any debate on this.....is juz tat...im aware of this *far far better than terry*
wads up wif the nonsense man...anti-chelsea there?....u get mi there?is like ppl saying carragher is no where near top defenders class...zzzzz...hows ur feeling man...y cant respect abit rite?
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/613652/+260

I've posted heaps on Carra there.

In fact, I'd much rather they not rate him smile.gif I like having the underdog tag.

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Best Captain in the EPL at the moment? Or I've seen? Really hard to decide on this poll.
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lol hus not accepting the truth....
look y england wants terry to play so much instead of ferdinand... who plays more important role in england...team defence ?...u tell me.....wads fact...why ppl still wana deny this
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sorry mate. but i think u were wrong. ferdinand n toure better than terry. the best def in chelsea, i would say yes. if compare to europe league, nesta should be first.
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if at the moment i think is terry though...but if u say all time great captain i think is still ROY KEANE!!!!!
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sorry mate. but i think u were wrong. ferdinand n toure better than terry. the best def in chelsea, i would say yes. if compare to europe league, nesta should be first.
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terry have his class in his very own pace of playing game... controlling the game is the major part of each game being played.. in the moment, it's terry who's the best right now.. now because of how many epl matches and highlights, but on how many attacks that he can stopped and counter it back... I do agree Nesta is better than ferdinand. but he's 2nd after terry bro thumbup.gif
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terry have his class in his very own pace of playing game... controlling the game is the major part of each game being played.. in the moment, it's terry who's the best right now.. now because of how many epl matches and highlights, but on how many attacks that he can stopped and counter it back... I do agree Nesta is better than ferdinand. but he's 2nd after terry bro thumbup.gif
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How did a discussion about best captain become a discussion about best defender? And for the record, Terry has nothing on Nesta. Saying otherwise means u just haven't watched Nesta enough and u're talking out of your ass.
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How did a discussion about best captain become a discussion about best defender? And for the record, Terry has nothing on Nesta. Saying otherwise means u just haven't watched Nesta enough and u're talking out of your ass.
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maybe u should read our discussions before u post. not just read the thread title only.

n watch ur mouth. doh.gif we dont want any fight here.

im milan. so i watch nesta. even he is in lazio.

i donno la. why ths kind of human still exist. haiyo... shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(-Y- @ Jan 28 2008, 09:09 PM)
maybe u should read our discussions before u post. not just read the thread title only.

n watch ur mouth.  doh.gif  we dont want any fight here.

im milan. so i watch nesta. even he is in lazio.

i donno la. why ths kind of human still exist. haiyo...  shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(-Y- @ Jan 28 2008, 08:09 PM)
maybe u should read our discussions before u post. not just read the thread title only.

n watch ur mouth.  doh.gif  we dont want any fight here.

im milan. so i watch nesta. even he is in lazio.

i donno la. why ths kind of human still exist. haiyo...  shakehead.gif
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I have read the discussions and I think it has steered way off topic.
And don't tell me to watch my mouth when u yourself are resorting to insults with your last statement.
Hypocrisy at its best.

So u agree with your pal here then that Terry is the better defender? rolleyes.gif

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O really? And what part wasn't I "comparing" or engaging in "open discussion"?
Pls enlighten me.

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lol sad.. i was refering to -y- . doh.gif
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QUOTE(verx @ Jan 28 2008, 08:42 PM)
I have read the discussions and I think it has steered way off topic.
And don't tell me to watch my mouth when u yourself are resorting to insults with your last statement.
Hypocrisy at its best.

So u agree with your pal here then that Terry is the better defender? rolleyes.gif
O really? And what part wasn't I "comparing" or engaging in "open discussion"?
Pls enlighten me.
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off topic or not, some of us having a healthy discussion here.

im not remember insulting YOU. sorry. hmm.gif

btw, im agreed with them that terry is among the best def. thumbup.gif

peace.. icon_rolleyes.gif

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MU fans said rio
chelsea fans said terry
liverpool fans said carragher
nw real fan said nesta
tml barca fan said thuram


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QUOTE(-Y- @ Jan 28 2008, 08:55 PM)
off topic or not,  some of us having a healthy discussion here.

im not remember insulting YOU. sorry.  hmm.gif

btw, im agreed with them that terry is among the best def.  thumbup.gif

peace..  icon_rolleyes.gif
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yes, among england CB, terry is the best, then rio and carragher ...

his positioning, tackling, and ability to score goal

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QUOTE(Ken @ Jan 28 2008, 09:24 PM)
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MU fans said rio
chelsea fans said terry
liverpool fans said carragher
nw real fan said nesta
tml barca fan said thuram


Added on January 28, 2008, 9:25 pm

yes, among england CB, terry is the best, then rio and carragher ...

his positioning, tackling, and ability to score goal
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yup. and he has good ability to score (with head of course). but if ask me which cb is the best in epl, i choose rio.

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best captain in EPL

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Gerrard Of course...the one who able to make a big "shock" during injury time
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QUOTE(shah_ho_nam2 @ Jan 28 2008, 08:50 PM)
lol sad.. i was refering to -y- .  doh.gif
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I apologise for my mistake then. Cheers.

QUOTE(-Y- @ Jan 28 2008, 08:55 PM)
off topic or not,  some of us having a healthy discussion here.

im not remember insulting YOU. sorry.  hmm.gif

btw, im agreed with them that terry is among the best def.  thumbup.gif

peace..  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yeah it was a healthy discussion until u had to come out with this

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i donno la. why ths kind of human still exist. haiyo...  shakehead.gif


This is an insult no matter how u look at it. Cleverly disguised of course.
Or maybe u can explain to me then. What kind of human am I then?

And u didn't answer my question. I didn't ask whether Terry is among the best defenders which he clearly is. I'm asking you whether u think he's a better defender than Nesta. Simple English. Clearly with your intelligence you should have understood my question right? rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(verx @ Jan 28 2008, 11:05 PM)
I apologise for my mistake then. Cheers.
Yeah it was a healthy discussion until u had to come out with this
This is an insult no matter how u look at it. Cleverly disguised of course.
Or maybe u can explain to me then. What kind of human am I then?

And u didn't answer my question. I didn't ask whether Terry is among the best defenders which he clearly is. I'm asking you whether u think he's a better defender than Nesta. Simple English. Clearly with your intelligence you should have understood my question right? rolleyes.gif
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no prob mate.. btw who's your fav? gerrard or rio
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QUOTE(verx @ Jan 28 2008, 11:05 PM)
I apologise for my mistake then. Cheers.
Yeah it was a healthy discussion until u had to come out with this
This is an insult no matter how u look at it. Cleverly disguised of course.
Or maybe u can explain to me then. What kind of human am I then?

And u didn't answer my question. I didn't ask whether Terry is among the best defenders which he clearly is. I'm asking you whether u think he's a better defender than Nesta. Simple English. Clearly with your intelligence you should have understood my question right? rolleyes.gif
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im sorry if that offended u. cos i dont want any bad argument here. u should check ur word bfore u post. quite harsh i should say.

yes, offcos i understand ur question. i think i dont have to answer the same question coz i already post it.
like i said before, u should read before u ask. i already stated before..

(these are couple of post i said bout nesta)

QUOTE(taor3n @ Jan 21 2008, 02:38 AM)
lol hus not accepting the truth....
look y england wants terry to play so much instead of ferdinand... who plays more important role in england...team defence ?...u tell me.....wads fact...why ppl still wana deny this
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sorry mate. but i think u were wrong. ferdinand n toure better than terry. the best def in chelsea, i would say yes. if compare to europe league, nesta should be first.

QUOTE(shah_ho_nam @ Jan 26 2008, 01:23 PM)
terry have his class in his very own pace of playing game... controlling the game is the major part of each game being played.. in the moment, it's terry who's the best right now.. now because of how many epl matches and highlights, but on how many attacks that he can stopped and counter it back... I do agree Nesta is better than ferdinand. but he's 2nd after terry bro thumbup.gif
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i think ferdinand come 2nd, toure 3rd, terry 4th. the best def in england squad should be rio ferdinand. (which mean nesta is 1st)

hope that clearly answer ur question. cheers thumbup.gif

sorry for any prob caused.

so, what ur fav capitano? icon_rolleyes.gif

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no i gess u can't see it clearly stated terry is the best for england so far.. rio got drugs prob which lead him to 9 months suspension. remember... kolo? yeah he's one of the best long time ago.. but gunners youngster has proven themselves already
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QUOTE(shah_ho_nam @ Jan 28 2008, 11:29 PM)
no i gess u can't see it clearly stated terry is the best for england so far.. rio got drugs prob which lead him to 9 months suspension. remember... kolo? yeah he's one of the best long time ago.. but gunners youngster has proven themselves already
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if we talking bout discipline, i think rio wont win. but what we talking is on the pitch. as u can see how utd 'come back' after rio finish his suspension. he is really good def.
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QUOTE(-Y- @ Jan 28 2008, 11:36 PM)
if we talking bout discipline, i think rio wont win. but what we talking is on the pitch. as u can see how utd 'come back' after rio finish his suspension. he is really good def.
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you are measuring it while terry is not around... remember how he won the barclays best player of 2006?
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you are measuring it while terry is not around... remember how he won the barclays best player of 2006?
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yeah i forgot bout that. thanks for refresh my memory. heheh. thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(-Y- @ Jan 29 2008, 12:08 AM)
yeah i forgot bout that. thanks for refresh my memory. heheh.  thumbup.gif
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#shah_ho_nam
i totally agree wif ur words..back here......thx 4 backing it up..
juz ni notice so many replies d......-.-'

but really man...dont mean to be harsh...i juz wanted to say wads fact.....man...really....hope dont offend ni 1....back there

had to agree...wif this maldina and nesta...both are...legend...surely their more experience player...terry might come after them...

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no prob mate.. btw who's your fav? gerrard or rio
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Mancs will claim that I'm saying this just because I'm a Liverpool fan and who knows? Maybe I am. On the issue of best defender, I personally think that Rio is the most complete defender. I mean he is quick, strong in the air, good at reading play and is comfortable with the ball at his feet. Often, he can help start an attack from the back. My biggest criticism of him though, is his concentration. He is prone to the occasional error. Though not Titus Bramble-esque, just one error can mean the difference between victory and defeat especially when you are playing in a cup final. Bramble is consoled by the fact is he seldom plays in important one off games. The celebrity side of his playing career isn't something I like to see in a professional footballer either. I like to drink and party, but then I'm not a professional footballer am I?

Carra is the least flashy of the 3 and puts the ball out, no fuss. He has high concentration levels (well, you need to if you are playing in the Liverpool defence) and has an extremely high work rate. He's also really good at reading play and makes timely interventions in almost each game he plays for us.

Terry is a commanding presence in defence and marshals his line well. The Chelsea defence is all out of sorts without him. He's good in the air and though he scores goals, I'd prefer to focus on his defensive elements.

Terry is probably a more complete version of Carra with the exception that I think Carra comes out tops (even if it is by a thin margin) in terms of commitment to his club, passion and professionalism off the pitch. Carra is not the most talented by far, but he is someone you know you can count on.

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QUOTE(taor3n @ Jan 29 2008, 01:57 AM)
#shah_ho_nam
i totally agree wif ur words..back here......thx 4 backing it up..
juz ni notice so many replies d......-.-'

but really man...dont mean to be harsh...i juz wanted to say wads fact.....man...really....hope dont offend ni 1....back there

had to agree...wif this maldina and nesta...both are...legend...surely their more experience player...terry might come after them...
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 29 2008, 03:18 PM)
Mancs will claim that I'm saying this just because I'm a Liverpool fan and who knows? Maybe I am. On the issue of best defender, I personally think that Rio is the most complete defender. I mean he is quick, strong in the air, good at reading play and is comfortable with the ball at his feet. Often, he can help start an attack from the back. My biggest criticism of him though, is his concentration. He is prone to the occasional error. Though not Titus Bramble-esque, just one error can mean the difference between victory and defeat especially when you are playing in a cup final. Bramble is consoled by the fact is he seldom plays in important one off games. The celebrity side of his playing career isn't something I like to see in a professional footballer either. I like to drink and party, but then I'm not a professional footballer am I?

Carra is the least flashy of the 3 and puts the ball out, no fuss. He has high concentration levels (well, you need to if you are playing in the Liverpool defence) and has an extremely high work rate. He's also really good at reading play and makes timely interventions in almost each game he plays for us.

Terry is a commanding presence in defence and marshals his line well. The Chelsea defence is all out of sorts without him. He's good in the air and though he scores goals, I'd prefer to focus on his defensive elements.

Terry is probably a more complete version of Carra with the exception that I think Carra comes out tops (even if it is by a thin margin) in terms of commitment to his club, passion and professionalism off the pitch. Carra is not the most talented by far, but he is someone you know you can count on.
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im agreed with duke red. i think cara should pairing with best def (if liv want to win the title). maybe rafa should concentrate buying def instead attacking player. u said before he very passion n commitment to his club so, how do u think cara in england squad?

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jan 29 2008, 03:18 PM)
Mancs will claim that I'm saying this just because I'm a Liverpool fan and who knows? Maybe I am. On the issue of best defender, I personally think that Rio is the most complete defender. I mean he is quick, strong in the air, good at reading play and is comfortable with the ball at his feet. Often, he can help start an attack from the back. My biggest criticism of him though, is his concentration. He is prone to the occasional error. Though not Titus Bramble-esque, just one error can mean the difference between victory and defeat especially when you are playing in a cup final. Bramble is consoled by the fact is he seldom plays in important one off games. The celebrity side of his playing career isn't something I like to see in a professional footballer either. I like to drink and party, but then I'm not a professional footballer am I?

Carra is the least flashy of the 3 and puts the ball out, no fuss. He has high concentration levels (well, you need to if you are playing in the Liverpool defence) and has an extremely high work rate. He's also really good at reading play and makes timely interventions in almost each game he plays for us.

Terry is a commanding presence in defence and marshals his line well. The Chelsea defence is all out of sorts without him. He's good in the air and though he scores goals, I'd prefer to focus on his defensive elements.

Terry is probably a more complete version of Carra with the exception that I think Carra comes out tops (even if it is by a thin margin) in terms of commitment to his club, passion and professionalism off the pitch. Carra is not the most talented by far, but he is someone you know you can count on.
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Carragher is indeed a solid-rock defender, juz like Terry, but hardly to get injured, unlike Terry.. sweat.gif
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Stevie G for sure the best captain in EPL!
high work rate + Excellent tackling game + stunning drive shot + Pacey man on the field + great determination
makes him on my vote thumbup.gif

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Carragher is indeed a solid-rock defender, juz like Terry, but hardly to get injured, unlike Terry.. sweat.gif
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I also believe Terry is the Carra sort of defender but as Duke pointed out a better version. But sometimes its really unbecoming of him to join in to harass ref instead of restraining team mates.
BTW ppl seem to talk about that Terry & Carra as a combination is not viable as both is no nonsense defender which will be much better complemented by ball playing partner.
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Stevie G for sure the best captain in EPL!
high work rate + Excellent  tackling game + stunning drive shot + Pacey man on the field + great determination
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I have to agree with you smile.gif Gerrard is excellent as a player and captain but sadly Liverpool at not doing quite well at the moment.
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I have to agree with you  smile.gif Gerrard is excellent as a player and captain but sadly Liverpool at not doing quite well at the moment.
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Hard time for Liverpool for now sad.gif we only can just wait n see..hope that baldy Rafa can do it something hmm.gif
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John Terry (Chelsea)

Although i am not a Chelsea fans, but i think he is the best captain in EPL.
Unique character and strong leadership skill
2nd choice will be Steven Gerrard of coz.
Both of them are the good example to lead England team.
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we need a new thread for this maybe? it started back in year 2006 o.O

the vote option is incorrect

Henry = Arsenal ??

Parker = Newcastle ??

anyway my vote goes to Steven Gerrard (Liverpool) but still Liverpool is shit this year so there you go lol
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gerrard is the best as he is an overall leader in the squad, i like that kind of leadership. he seems very humble yet people listen.
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steve G for now. If Roy Keane was still playing, then Keane.
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i choose for terry and gerrard.... their spirit always awakening team member to keep on fighting..... barry also have this kind of spirit.... flex.gif
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i love patrick viera and roy keane regime few years back.. smile.gif

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QUOTE(-Y- @ Jan 29 2008, 09:37 PM)

im agreed with duke red. i think cara should pairing with best def (if liv want to win the title). maybe rafa should concentrate buying def instead attacking player. u said before he very passion n commitment to his club so, how do u think cara in england squad?
The reason he retires from international football is because he wasn't given enough opportunity to play in his favorite position.
He was always chosen as a replacement or back up due to his versatility to play in all defending positions.

I think it's a big loss to England but you cannot change a player heart.
How do you think he feel, a key player in his own club but when come to international level he just has to warm up the bench only? sad.gif
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waa, this thread still going for more than a year, henry still in the list?...
c'mon moderator, make a new poll..

the best current captain, or the best captain of all time...
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Just to add, I think captain should be selected based on their personal traits and not ability. I've seen some posters that have placed their candidates based on their playing ability; if this were the case, all the best players in the world would be captains which clearly isn't the case.
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The reason he retires from international football is because he wasn't given enough opportunity to play in his favorite position.
He was always chosen as a replacement or back up due to his versatility to play in all defending positions.

I think it's a big loss to England but you cannot change a player heart.
How do you think he feel, a key player in his own club but when come to international level he just has to warm up the bench only?  sad.gif
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i vote for terry. he make the different. gerrard my second choice.
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a game without terry, u can saw it just now.. nil on both sides
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QUOTE(Wan @ Feb 9 2008, 12:23 PM)
Rio and Terry. Plus King and Woodgate when fit, and now Micah. They won't miss him that much.
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One thing Carra gives you is consistency. He very seldom has a bad game. Richards will be used predominantly on the right, he has the pace to go steaming up and down the park. I won't mention King and Woodgate in the same breath as Carra. Rio's concentration levels are suspect, but I do rate Terry.
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Suprised to see gerrard leading with 40% from the poll...hails JELAT!
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QUOTE(dream5518 @ Mar 18 2008, 04:59 PM)
Suprised to see gerrard leading with 40% from the poll...hails JELAT!
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I'm not to be honest. I can't say anything without coming across as being biased so I won't even try. I do believe that captains are best being in midfield, where they can exert their influence on both ends of the pitch. You can often see Gerrard back lunging into challenges on minute and then steaming forward the next. He has a wide range of skills at his disposal. He is a good header of the ball, can pass it from 40 yards (as the song goes), can shoot from range and is a decent finisher and is fierce in the tackle. He is amongst the most complete players in the league at the moment. He also leads by example (count the numerous times he has bailed us out of trouble - Olympiacos, AC Milan, West Ham, amongst the bigger games).
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 18 2008, 05:13 PM)
I'm not to be honest. I can't say anything without coming across as being biased so I won't even try. I do believe that captains are best being in midfield, where they can exert their influence on both ends of the pitch. You can often see Gerrard back lunging into challenges on minute and then steaming forward the next. He has a wide range of skills at his disposal. He is a good header of the ball, can pass it from 40 yards (as the song goes), can shoot from range and is a decent finisher and is fierce in the tackle. He is amongst the most complete players in the league at the moment. He also leads by example (count the numerous times he has bailed us out of trouble - Olympiacos, AC Milan, West Ham, amongst the bigger games).
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Can't agree more. Some of the best captains in the game are those who control the middle of the park eg. Gerrard, Viera, Keane, Dunga etc.
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Can't agree more. Some of the best captains in the game are those who control the middle of the park eg. Gerrard, Viera, Keane, Dunga etc.
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that is because that's where most of the action is, more opportunities for a captain to excel...

good captains can also be found in strikers, defenders and GKs...so, quite a generalization i'd say... simply coz of the reason i said above...


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I don't like appointing GK's as captains. It's not a matter of seniority if you ask me. One can assume that just because the goalkeeper is amongst the oldest players on the pitch that the rest of the squad will respect their elder statesman, but it's more about leadership ability and influence if you ask me. Goalkeepers have to command their box well, I'd agree but how can they give instructions to the strikers? A captain is basically the teams manager on the pitch and he has to be playing in a position that allows him to communicate with his whole squad.
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For now, i vote for martin laursen.. he is a good captain.
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Any reason why mate?
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QUOTE(Apis_LuaLua @ Mar 19 2008, 09:07 AM)
For now, i vote for martin laursen.. he is a good captain.
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But Laursen is not even the skipper for Villa, Barry is unsure.gif

I would agree with Duke Red on GK not very suitable as captain. IIRC, that was the reason why Robbie Keane was given the armband for Rep. Ireland instead of Given who has more seniority than Robbie.
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i mean he can be a good captain. able to motivate his team mate and score many goals too from heading.
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2005 on Istanbul is the best way to show what is a good captain on gerrard
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QUOTE(RegentCid @ Mar 19 2008, 01:03 PM)
2005 on Istanbul is the best way to show what is a good captain on gerrard
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gerrard did a great job at istanbul and he is still going it...
but i think... terry is a good captain and i really admire phil neville at everton...
he is doing a great job there as a captain..

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I'm a fan of MANUTD but i must say Gerrard is my choice. smile.gif
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John Terry,leader on/off the pitch and commits himself to the fullest whenever he plays
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Feb 11 2008, 12:05 PM)
One thing Carra gives you is consistency. He very seldom has a bad game. Richards will be used predominantly on the right, he has the pace to go steaming up and down the park. I won't mention King and Woodgate in the same breath as Carra. Rio's concentration levels are suspect, but I do rate Terry.
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he isnt now
carra dont have the pace.. england do not need another slightly worse terry as 1st choice
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i voted others smile.gif
where is rio ferdinand? the guy that missed the drug test sometimes ago is improving. but i'd like to see more of him the future rclxms.gif
gerrard show what a good captain he was during the istanbul 2005. but his procastinated mind after the win let his share down tongue.gif
terry was doing very well at chelsea too but his off field antics isn't up to the mark. and karma must be upon him he slipped when it matter most. whistling.gif
the gary brothers aren't as talented but the are utility players, will do good in any team they're in! thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(MADReaLJL @ May 28 2008, 10:19 AM)
he isnt now
carra dont have the pace.. england do not need another slightly worse terry as 1st choice
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Then why is our defensive record equal to the top clubs? You may say want you want of Carra but there is no denying he reads the game really well and he has proven himself against the best forwards in the world.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ May 28 2008, 11:46 AM)
Then why is our defensive record equal to the top clubs? You may say want you want of Carra but there is no denying he reads the game really well and he has proven himself against the best forwards in the world.
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i never said he isnt good.. just there r better defenders than him
seeing rooney raped him at OT really shown that he isnt up to the mark anymore.. still a good defender anyway
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wat is this all about?I thought we are having discussion of BEST EPL CAPTAINS?Why drag it so far?
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best would be Viera and Keane. Those two are very class. Gerrard is good as well but he's not in the same the league as those previous two.
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I would have voted for Roy Keane if he were in the list smile.gif
TS should update the list since Ferdinand is also missing.
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QUOTE(boxsystem @ Jun 5 2008, 10:09 PM)
best would be Viera and Keane. Those two are very class. Gerrard is good as well but he's not in the same the league as those previous two.
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Personally I would object to your opinion on Gerrard being in a different league from Viera. He leads by example and have time and time again dragged Liverpool back from the brink of defeat (West Ham - FA Cup Final, Qlympiocos - Champions League, AC Milan - Istanbul, etc). In Istanbul he gave an inspired half time talk and after scoring the first goal, he could be seen waving his hands about urging the players and the crowd to pick the pace up.

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Rafa helped change our mood from defeat to defiance. Let's go out fighting, not with the whimper. Rafa kept mentioning the fans. Outside, that huge electronic scoreboard read 'Maldini 1, Crespo 39,44' stared at our fans. Proof of Liverpool's terrible performance was written large up there. Looking at that scoreboard, most Liverpool fans must have felt the race was run and lost. Deep down, the fans were simply buzzing we got to the final. They could see the quality of opposition we struggled against. Yet against all the odds, against all the evidence of Milan's superiority, our fans were singing loud and proud. "Listen," I said to the players. "Listen to that." The singing of 40,000 Liverpool supporters floated down the tunni., into the dressing-room and into our hearts.

Unbelievable. Liverpool were 3-0 down, being trashed by Kaka and Crespo, and our fans were singing "You'll Never Walk Alone". All the players looked at each other in amazement, and pride. "They bloody well havent given up on us," I shouted, "so we cant give up either." By singing "You'll Never Walk Alone", the fans sent a message to eleven shattered men in the dressing-room: the fans will be with you, through the wind and the rain, through times of adversity like this. No matter how much the payers hurt, we'd never walk alone. Our fans were with us. Together. Their message was to play for some respect, play for pride in the shirt. "The fans are with us," I said. "Let's give them something to shout about. They've spent loads of money. They're singing our name and we are getting stuffed 3-0. If we get one, they'll get behind us even more. That will help put another one in for us. Come on, let's f***ing have a go!"
Probably makes more impact on Liverpool fans but what the hell? Just providing my reason. It's just one example lah of course. I've read his biography but don't want to repeat everything here.

I would not compare him at the moment to Roy Keane simply because Keane's game improved later in his career as did his influence. Gerrard is approaching his late 20's and still has a number of years ahead of him. It would be like comparing him to Emlyn Hughes or Greame Souness at the moment. His story has yet to come to an end.

Again, this is just my opinion, I'm not saying it's right.
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a MU fan here.. but since Rio is not the official captain of MU yet, so it is definitely Gerrard~
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 6 2008, 01:20 PM)
Personally I would object to your opinion on Gerrard being in a different league from Viera. He leads by example and have time and time again dragged Liverpool back from the brink of defeat (West Ham - FA Cup Final, Qlympiocos - Champions League, AC Milan - Istanbul, etc). In Istanbul he gave an inspired half time talk and after scoring the first goal, he could be seen waving his hands about urging the players and the crowd to pick the pace up.
Probably makes more impact on Liverpool fans but what the hell? Just providing my reason. It's just one example lah of course. I've read his biography but don't want to repeat everything here.

I would not compare him at the moment to Roy Keane simply because Keane's game improved later in his career as did his influence. Gerrard is approaching his late 20's and still has a number of years ahead of him. It would be like comparing him to Emlyn Hughes or Greame Souness at the moment. His story has yet to come to an end.

Again, this is just my opinion, I'm not saying it's right.
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Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. No doubt, Gerrard is one of the best. Heck, he should get the armband for England. But when I meant that he's different, you can clearly see the intense rivalry between Keane and Viera and how they would like to knock each other out. You can see Keane is being a mean bad-a** with every other single team that is not United. Viera does that too.

Simplest word, not my teammates hence my enemy. Gerrard doesn't think it that way.

Enlighten me if I'm wrong. smile.gif
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Everyone is entitled to his own opinion. No doubt, Gerrard is one of the best. Heck, he should get the armband for England. But when I meant that he's different, you can clearly see the intense rivalry between Keane and Viera and how they would like to knock each other out. You can see Keane is being a mean bad-a** with every other single team that is not United. Viera does that too.

Simplest word, not my teammates hence my enemy. Gerrard doesn't think it that way.

Enlighten me if I'm wrong.  smile.gif
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My first impression when you mentioned that they weren't in the same league was that Gerrard was not in their class, hence my reply. Viera and Keane clearly do not like one another. The tunnel scene is evident of that. It depends on what qualities you want in a captain I suppose. You have your bad ass types, you have your cool, calm types and so on. Bryan Robson was a good captain but he didn't go around kicking the opposition about. Gerrard was a bit of a prick in his earlier days but has since adopted a more controlled temperament. If you're suggesting that the rivalry between Keane and Viera is in a different class as compared to Gerrard and player X, then I'd agree. I do not however think that Gerrard is any less influential.

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Jun 6 2008, 03:19 PM)
My first impression when you mentioned that they weren't in the same league was that Gerrard was not in their class, hence my reply. Viera and Keane clearly do not like one another. The tunnel scene is evident of that. It depends on what qualities you want in a captain I suppose. You have your bad ass types, you have your cool, calm types and so on. Bryan Robson was a good captain but he didn't go around kicking the opposition about. Gerrard was a bit of a prick in his earlier days but has since adopted a more controlled temperament. If you're suggesting that the rivalry between Keane and Viera is in a different class as compared to Gerrard and player X, then I'd agree. I do not however think that Gerrard is any less influential.
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Gerrard is influential. Heck, we can see that. One saying he's not then one must be thick. Credit is given where it's due. Gerrard pawns Neville in captaincy. But in being a bad ass type, he can't compete with the two I mentioned. And yes, they do hate each other but I would say that Keane just hates everybody. We knew the case of Haarland, don't we? Albeit, at the same time, Keane can be so diplomatic.

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