henry is a leader but not captain material. although a lot of people say that he influences the team in another way but to me, he's no Adams or Vieira. he's a influence but not THE influence. i think that Cesc Fabregas will make a good captain when he grows up.

As for EPL, i would go for terry. i dont like him because he's a chelsea player and an alleged paedo/sex maniac but you got to respect the way he leads a team of multi millionaire egos in the Chelsea camp.

Of all time? Roy Keane. just watch Juve vs ManU 1999 (he was the one who made the Treble possible) if not for him, single also maybe tak dapat that year Keano!!! Keano!! I miss him

the reason o neill went for barry as captain was not because of his leadership qualities but because he wanted barry to stay at the club and sign a contract. as for gerrard, i think he is a great leader when he plays well. when he doesnt, play well, liverpool isnt led by anyone

but the question is can gerrard lead a team of stars like england and chelsea? if judging by performance, henry and gerrard will win by a landslide. but roy keane didnt always score crucial goals did he? hierro who was regarded a great captain too didnt score great goals? more so for cafu, did u see him score goals in dying seconds of games? they too are great leaders for their teams. for me its more than just delivering 10/10 performances on the pitch. why is Gaz manu's leader and not ronaldo/rooney/vidic as captain? they are better than Gaz IMO and no manu fan will ever argue that Rooney is a better footballer than Gaz.

This post has been edited by kobe8byrant: Nov 8 2006, 06:38 PM

lol..in tat case Oliver Kahn is the lousiest leader on Earth. pls lar......why workrate is always a factor in these cases? influence counts for nothing? leadership?

This post has been edited by kobe8byrant: Nov 9 2006, 02:11 PM

and i was agreeing with u. i didnt mean to diss u. sorry for any misunderstanding

yeah well when i heard ppl saying that so and so is heaven on earth because of wonderful goals and such is just not right. gerrard is a great captain in his own right and we all remember Olympiakos 3-3 and AC Milan as well as West Ham but that just goes to show he is a special player not a special leader. big players for big games. ronaldinho and messi are special players but they arent leaders IMO.

to the post saying that captain material are calm.

remember roy keane horro tackle against the manc feck?
remember roy keane sent off after a few words from shearer?
remember cantona's whack against cyrstal palace fan>
remember gerrard's stamp during merseyside derby?

captain must be combative...willing to fight with a gut sticking out.

i am all for fiery captains ok. i am disagreeing with the post saying that captain are supposed to be calm.

which is why a calm person can never be a leader IMO. the more bad tempered u are, the better it is. for me at least. i always admired the captain who would go up to his teammates and give him a rollocking if he thinks they are playing badly. Great example is Roy Keane laying his hands on Phil Neville (Phil looked like he was going to cry )

I think Terry is leadership itself. When I watched the Reading game and Terry had the nerves to go up and become goalkeeper when no one else dared and how he gives referees a piece of his mind is just refreshing.

not bad tempered just fiery. lead or be led and in england, gerrard is led by terry but its all a matter of opinion. i do respect people's opinion on why gerrard is a great leader but for me, he's a great player and he leads the team through his performances. he wins liverpool games. similiar to henry, but vieira and terry and KEANO (sorry for emphasis on Keane but i love the man), they dont score goals to win games but they lead their team

well didnt keane stay on the pitch at most times? didnt terry do that at most times? heck even beloved gerrard got red carded as well for "silly" challenges. and keano was man enough to admit that he did it intentionally and he paid for it with the punishment. get over it. if u want to bring up keano's tackle being sickening, what about gerrard's stamp that tore flesh out of the evertonian during the merseyside derby!!!

Curbs has already made Parker captain when he first came, didn't he?

i get the impression that everyone here thinks that tough tackers = good captains :S

Charisma and PR are attributing factors when selecting a captain as the captain is the person that represents a club/country. Not many clubs would want a captain to come out calling fans as the 'prawn sandwich brigade' and not many managers would dare having a manager having a right go at his own player {thinks of poor little Phil Neville }.