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jerome1992
post Jul 18 2025, 03:25 AM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jul 17 2025, 10:29 PM)
Hi, what is your take on ePurifier – Biverter Switch Valve Countertop Water Purifier (with Ultracarb Ceramic Water Filter) (ePCSS-UC) that uses Dalton Ceramic filter? This one allows direct drinking compared to similar unit using Sterasyl Ceramic Water Filter. However, the listed capacity is just 2,300 Liter.

https://esteel.com.my/product/epurifier-biv...filter-epcss-uc
https://esteel.com.my/product/epurifier-biv...r-switch-valve/

My concern is the low capacity and ease to get the replacement filter as this is first time I hear this eSteel brand and doesn't seem to have much review.

I am comparing it against 3M CTM-02 and 3M CTM-01, Panasonic TK-CS500-WMA and TK-CS200-WMA.

Thanks for your input
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I’ve been on the same journey as you, searching for an indoor water purifier. After a month of research, I’ve come to my own conclusions, and I want to share them with you. Depending on your needs, you can either complicate or simplify the decision-making process. It’s easy to get swayed by marketing strategies or influencer endorsements or even feel overwhelmed by the choices available. Here’s a guide to help you make an informed decision.

My Step-by-Step Approach: excl.gif

#1 Start with a Trusted Brand:
----Before anything else, choose a reputable, well-established brand. A well-known brand often provides better quality and customer support.

#2 Look for Certifications:
----Ensure the product is certified by trusted organizations such as NSF, SGS, or relevant local standards like JIS S 3201 (Japan Industrial Standards) and Japan Water Purifier Association (JWPA), Korea Institute for Water Technology Certification (KIWATEC), or China Quality Standards for Surface Water (GB 3838-2002), and for drinking water, the Standards for Drinking Water Quality (GB 5749-2006). Certifications are a good indicator of product quality and safety.

#3 Understand the Certifications:
----NSF Certification: Check the lab reports to see which substances the filter can purify. If the product is certified by JIS, look at how many contaminants it can filter. For example, the latest JIS & JWPA standard covers 19 substances, up from 17 in the past. Meanwhile, I don’t have specific details for Korean and China standards yet.

#4 Choose the Right Type of Filter:
----Decide on the filter type based on your usage. Popular options include:
------Pitcher filters
------Faucet-mounted filters
------Countertop filters
------Under-sink filters

#5 Decide Between Composite or Cartridge Filters:
----Consider whether you prefer composite filters (longer-lasting) or cartridge filters (easier to replace).

#6 Evaluate Filter Capacity and Cost:
----Once you’ve identified the filter type, compare the filter’s maximum capacity to its price. Calculate the cost per liter of filtered water to understand long-term value.

#7 Final Decision:
----With the above steps in mind, you’re now equipped to choose the best purifier for your needs!

Key Considerations Before Making a Purchase: excl.gif

#1 Certification Claims:
----Many brands, especially lesser-known ones, claim to use NSF-certified materials. But how reliable are these claims? Always verify certifications through the NSF website or other trusted sources.

#2 Global Perspectives on NSF Certification:
Some Japanese, Korean, and China brands hold NSF certifications, while others do not. Obtaining such certifications can help build consumer trust, especially in markets where safety and product reliability are important. Western brands often pursue NSF certification for similar reasons. For instance, fast food chains like McDonald’s or KFC can operate without a HALAL certificate, but doing so may reduce their appeal among Muslim consumers. Securing a HALAL certification not only enhances brand credibility but also expands their potential customer base. Likewise, while NSF 42 certification is widely recognized, not all brands opt for the more comprehensive NSF 53 or NSF 401 certifications, which offer greater assurance of product performance and safety. That said, having an NSF certification is not mandatory, what matters most is that the product is certified by a trusted and reputable organization.

#3 Health Benefits of Water Types:
----There’s ongoing debate about the health benefits of various types of water, such as RO, distilled, or alkaline. Some studies say they enhance health or improve the taste of drinks like tea or coffee, but others suggest little to no difference. Ultimately, it depends on individual needs, so there is no one-size-fits-all answer.

#4 Water Consumption Recommendations:
----The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends that adults generally consume about 2 to 3 liters of fluids per day, which includes water from all sources, not just drinking water. This recommendation can vary based on factors like activity level, climate, and individual needs.
------For a family of four, that’s roughly 8 liters per day. Consider additional water usage for cooking, washing, or preparing beverages, which can add up to 12 liters daily, or about 360 liters per month. Over a year, that’s approximately 4,000 liters of water.

#5 Cost vs. Capacity:
----Based on your family’s water usage, it's important to factor in the filter's capacity and cost efficiency. Popular MLM brands like Amway, Coway, or Cuckoo typically charge between RM1-2 per day. Western brands (e.g., UK, US, or Germany) may have similar costs, but they generally offer plain water purifiers without hot or cold water options. Japanese brands, such as those from Panasonic, tend to be more affordable, sometimes under RM1 per day, or even less.
------This is also one of the reasons why many water subscription services, often known as rental or rent-to-own plans can cost us around RM50-70 per month. While this may seem like a convenient option, the long-term costs can quickly add up.

Filter Material: excl.gif
----I won’t dive too deep into the specifics of filter materials because, frankly, there’s not much to overcomplicate. Common types you’ll encounter include PP (polypropylene), ceramic, activated carbon (with or without ion exchange), and hollow membrane filters. Some brands may use terms like microfiltration (MF) or ultrafiltration (UF), or even apply different terminologies or technologies altogether. At the end of the day, these are just details. The key things to focus on are:
------The country of origin of the filter.
------The contaminants it can effectively remove.
------The filter's capacity.
------The overall cost.

Filter Replacement: excl.gif
----Replacement is straightforward. Just follow the manufacturer’s guidelines. The timing of replacements is subject to local water quality and the filter’s capacity. If you opt for a cartridge filter, you can replace individual components as needed. For composite filters, if you're concerned about longevity, consider adding a small pre-filter. This can help reduce clogging and extend the life of the main filter.

So, what really determines the cost of a water purifier? excl.gif
----The Substances or Impurities It Can Purify (Performance)
-----The Max Filtered Water Capacity (Volume)
------The Brand (Loyalty)

Here are some well-known brands in our region: knock.gif
----US: 3M, Aquasana, Amway
----Netherlands: Philips
----UK: Doulton
----Germany: Brita
----Korea: LG, Coway, Cuckoo
----Japan: Panasonic, Mitsubishi Cleansui, Torayvino, Toshiba

Always remember, water is something we need every day, so it’s important to take your choice of purifier seriously. However, don’t get too caught up in the details. rclxm9.gif

It’s all about finding the right balance. Overthinking can leave you drained. rclxub.gif

While it’s tempting to go for the cheapest option, keep in mind: cheap things aren’t always good, and good things aren’t always cheap. Investing in quality may mean spending a little more upfront, but it can save you in the long run. It’s about finding a purifier that fits your budget, but also ensures you get clean, safe water. Quality doesn’t always come with a hefty price tag, but you want to make sure you're not cutting corners on something so essential.
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This post has been edited by jerome1992: Jul 18 2025, 06:02 PM
jerome1992
post Jul 18 2025, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Jul 18 2025, 09:06 PM)
Is this AI? Cause it definitely seems like AI with bunch of generic statements...
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Do you think AI could explain such a concept? Unfortunately, it likely cannot. Feel free to give it a try yourself if you can.

While certain individuals might have feelings about it, the matter is straightforward. A friend of mine who worked in the wastewater and sewerage management industry shared a wealth of valuable information with me, which I also incorporate into my understanding. Spending over RM500 or even thousands on those things feels pretty "meh".
jerome1992
post Jul 20 2025, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Jul 20 2025, 06:42 AM)
Well, the reason I asked is because it is a lot of generic information and a lot of rather questionable info. Like 3M is actually made in China or Mexico last time I checked, only the head is sometimes US made. Aquasana is 100% China, but represented as USA, while you also mention that country of manufacturing is important. LGA-TUV and Pascal institute certs that are very strong European certs are not mentioned, yet Chinese certs are brought up.  But yes, there is some useful info too. Sorry if I offended you with the AI statement
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It's totally okay to be curious.

In our global world, products like water purifiers are often made from parts that come from all over the world. A filter cartridge may be assembled in one country, but the carbon inside may come from Sri Lanka or Thailand. That's why we often see companies talk about using "NSF-certified materials" instead of just saying Made in "ABC". And it's not uncommon for a brand from one country to use a filter made in another.

I've always suggested starting with a "Trusted Brand" for safety and peace of mind, especially in case something unexpected happens. But if you prefer generic products, that's your choice. It's a free market anyway! My main advice is to always ask for lab reports to review the performance. This is how you really know what a filter can remove and that you're getting what you pay for. It's like buying vitamins, you want to know they actually work. To really know if vitamins are working, a lab test can measure nutrient levels to confirm if vitamins are effective. This scientific feedback confirms that the supplement is making a difference. Without such testing, you could be taking something ineffective or even unsafe, much like using a water purifier that may not purify as it claims without proof from lab testing.

You brought up a good point about European certifications like "LGA-tested". To be honest, I'm not sure how many European purifiers we see here, or how many non-European ones really push those specific certifications. My gut feeling (and I could be wrong) is that these certificates are more useful in Europe itself, not necessarily here in Asia.

Why do I come up with the idea of Chinese certifications? Because many unbranded products often claim great performance based on them. What happens is that these companies buy generic parts (often from China) and then put them into their own products. So, the performance claims are really just from the original Chinese manufacturer. This situation is similar to claims of “Made in Korea”, where the brand may originate from Korea, but key parts or manufacturing come from elsewhere. It's similar to supplements that may be FDA approved but not locally certified. Just because a component doesn't have a local stamp of approval doesn't mean it's unsafe, so we don't have to over-analyze every single claim. However, everyone has their own belief, so I also mentioned in my sharing that "what matters most is that the product is certified by a trusted and reputable organization".

By the way, I also made some small updates to my sharing from two days ago.

Oh sure, if you’ve got deep pockets, just set up your own company.
1. Partner with an OEM in China producing NSF-certified materials.
2. Buy their raw parts.
3. Assemble everything in Malaysia.
4. Get that ISO 9001 certification for some extra shine.
5. Add the LGA Tested Quality mark for extra assurance.
6. Secure FDA approval to tick international boxes.
7. Slap on a fancy brand name like "HESTATI".
8. Then send it over to JAKIM for HALAL certification.


Voilà — HESTATI is proudly “Made in Malaysia”. Easy, right?

This post has been edited by jerome1992: Jul 20 2025, 11:35 PM

 

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