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fir3man
post Jul 12 2015, 10:47 AM

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Wow long time didn't come to this thread already, thanks @NightFelix for moving and starting another thead rclxms.gif

QUOTE(zheilwane @ Jun 20 2015, 04:47 PM)
Aquaphor is from Europe, hence they use European standards and certificates LGA and TUV. Only aquaphor Morion RO system is mainly targeted for USA market has NSF. While Aquaphor crystal eco is mainly for European market hence they use LGA.

It is costly for one brand to have two certifications LGA and NSF but with either one of these it is already good to prove that the filter is as good as it claims to be.

Aquaphor has more than 20 years history in manufacturing high tech water filtration system and it is not a regular OEM brand from china, just do a google search and you will know Aquaphor is among the top brands in water filtration in Russia and several european countries. Aquaphor is available in 35countries (now 36 including malaysia) and has over 70 patents. www.aquaphor.com
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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Jun 21 2015, 09:55 PM)
I think u misunderstood my reply. AQUAPHOR crystal eco is mainly sold in european market and europeans do recognize LGA that is why they didnt bother to get NSF as it is expensive to get two certifications. While Dwm101 or Morion system is mainly sold in USA and USA customers only know NSF that is why Aquaphor send it in for NSF.

This is similar to accountants in malaysia will get either CPA or ACCA rather than both as companies in malaysia do recognize these two. It would be time consuming and expensive to have both. Some malaysian accountants do have MIA (malaysian institute of accountants) as well. However, if you are in Australia and wanna get a well paid job with only MIA most probably they wont hire you as they would prefer to hire someone with CPA

According to web,
1) kinetico is USA company, definitely they will go for NSF instead LGA
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetico
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I think you are misleading. NSF is not just for "USA". There is a more fundamental difference, LGA is not water expert nor safety standard, it is just government body, in wellfare, tourism, transport....etc etc...

Take a view on their website and what they do, everyone should know that they are not fit to certify a water filter.


Your statement of making the analogy that CPA vs ACCA = LGA vs NSF is very misleading, saying that as long as it is certified by LGA, it is as good as being certified by NSF. But what experty does LGA has to certify? Where is the test report? What facilities they have to perform the certification?


Diamond and Nesh often include statement that their units are certified by exhibition organizations, misleading people that their products are okay, again what kind of experty does the exhibition organization have to do the certification? This had mislead so many people to buy into their filters mad.gif


Another statement made by you that you said some part of Aquaphor is certified by NSF, not the whole unit.....some part? which part? why not found on their website? doh.gif

I really urge others to do proper study, and LGA is no where close to fit to give "certification" out....pls be a conscience consumer, demand for proof, demand for test report.

The fundamental don't change >>> Where is the test report? show me!

Sorry you really sounds like another diamond and nesh salesman..... doh.gif

This post has been edited by fir3man: Jul 12 2015, 10:49 AM
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post Jul 12 2015, 11:48 AM

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Aquaphor Website
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NSF Report for Aquaphor:
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Conclusion:
- RO water cartridge (Why never mention all this while?)
- Manufacturered in Russia (not UK!!)
- Main HQ is in USA (not UK!!)
- The contaminants mentioned in Aquaphor website is longer, but the test report just TDS (Total Dissolved Solids), which RO filter is examined on.
- Bacteria not in the list....
- Viruses not in the list (how to handle virus without UV?)

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post Aug 17 2019, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Aug 16 2019, 04:55 PM)
The problem is that UN and WHO reports are based on politics. Bottled water used to be the king, and then, suddenly, affordable RO  filters appeared. It was clean water, convenient and dirt cheap per L. This is when bottled water manufacturer came up with this BS of "healthy minerals" and bribes and politics made WHO publish that nonsense. If you look at their report carefully, you will see that there were no tests, it was based on old Soviet studies of 50s. And those "studies" are available, but they point to even older studies, and I was not even able to find those.

So basically "healthy minerals in water" is total BS, not supported by any real study and even what is published is filled with "may, maybe, might".

And even then, average TDS in Malaysia is what, 30-50 at best? There is practically no minerals in our tap water anyway, compared to say California
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Your info is incorrect.

Singapore has one of the largest reverse osmosis plants in the world and they re-mineralize the output of RO. For what they do that? if all is so called "pollitics and BS"?

TDS is used to measure electricity conductivity. A reading of 30-50, it is an indication there is conductivity in the water, a sign of mineral or any other material on the periodic table that has low to mild conductivity.


And there is already published research papers that say demineralized water when used to cook is bad and many research journals saying magnesium in water is crucial.



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post Dec 16 2019, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Dec 16 2019, 05:24 PM)
My eSpring gonna be 10 years old since 2010. biggrin.gif
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Mine also almost 10 years dy. I prefer the undersink setup, espring hidden at the bottom with dedicated faucet cool2.gif
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post Dec 26 2019, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(kuchaikway @ Dec 25 2019, 06:08 AM)
Like I said eSpring is not a bad product.  If one cares to look past the marketing mumbo jumbo there are technical specs and independent lab test that proves it is a middle of the pack water filter. Only certain people make it to be a wonderful super machine.  The wonder of MLM. 

Ah ... As for NSF certifications, eSpring has NSF 42, 53 and 55 certifications.  But one must realised that these are MINIMAL standards so many decent filters would have met them ... certified or not.  NSF 42 and 53 are for water filtration and 55 is UV.  I can list many filters that are capable of these including those water filter and RO machines from Korea.  Granted RO standards are NSF 58, 244, 401 but by their design most can fulfil NSF 42 and 53 easily.  In other words, there is not that big a deal to have NSF certification at least not worth that much of the inflated price of the machine.
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Not all products that passed the same standard are performing the same.

NSF reports also outline the contaminants list:


This is for 3M
http://info.nsf.org/Certified/DWTU/Listing...ModlStd=ModlStd

Different model performs differently:
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This is for Espring
http://info.nsf.org/Certified/DWTU/Listing...ModlStd=ModlStd
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VOC itself is a long list:
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With the convenience of internet, consumers nowadays should go beyond the surface and read the report. Many brands claim they fulfill this and that, but the reports actually have more information to show each performs differently.



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post Dec 26 2019, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Dec 26 2019, 04:14 PM)
This is like listing contaminants one by one when they actually belong to a group. Similar to saying "our filter removes marble sand, granite sand, mineral sand etc", while it is all sand. Carbon block with high iodine number will remove most of these by nature. Only lead requires modifications. Amway just has too much money to burn for all these testings to impress people with long list.
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VOC = Volatile Organic Chemical is a group and there rest is not.




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post Dec 26 2019, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Dec 26 2019, 05:30 PM)
If you look carefully, they list VOC and each separate VOC as well, such as benzene and ethyrbenzene, both being VOC. As well as many more. We have discussed this before. Out of their so called "140 contaminants" 90% are VOCs listed one by one. And yet I do not see cyst on this list, while 3M you mentioned above has it.
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Yes, so it means certain model of 3m can filter cyst, cannot filter mercury, MTBE, etc etc.

Besides cyst, there is also microcystin, which is a real threat for our environment, due to hot sun + water storage in reservoir.


I always wonder why when someone agree espring is good, you will come out and shoot it down ...we know you want to sell your products....nobody ban you to do that here, why such hostile behavior ?

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Similar to saying "our filter removes marble sand, granite sand, mineral sand etc"


POE or POU ? pasar talk ?

 

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