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cuber
post Dec 28 2015, 09:35 PM

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Hi guys,


I've been using the 3M AP902 water filter for about a year already without any issue.

However I heard some said the cartridge need to be changed once every year, some say once every 2 year. How do I check/know when it is ready to be changed?
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post Dec 29 2015, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 29 2015, 11:40 AM)
AP902 is an outdoor filter, that is why u can use it more than 1 year if your water quality not to bad or usage is low. However, for indoor drinking filters regardless the brands, best to replace once a year
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Hi Zheilwane,


Thanks for the response, I believe water quality is not bad, and I'm using it as outdoor filter like you said, and have Espring as direct drinking filter.

But how do I know when I actually need to change the cartridge of the 3M AP902?
Do I need to wait until it clogged up? Because there's no indicator at all, if I open up the cartridge, would I be able to detect if it's dirty enough to be changed?
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post Jan 2 2016, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 30 2015, 12:00 AM)
There is no indicator and change when u notice water quality not so good or when it is clogged. Sometimes if the filter is too dirty, dirt could start forcing through the filter. So, if u wanna be safe, change the filter after 1 year or drag another 1 - 2 months.

Most indicators are not accurate from what i know, is either based on usage (how many litres) or time (1 year), never come across any indicators measure based on water quality.
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Thanks for the information Zheilwane, mostly appreciated.
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post Jan 30 2016, 04:22 AM

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Just think to contribute a bit, since I got a lot of information from this thread last year when I wanted to have water filter as well.

For the common people like us, who doesn't have any expertise in this field, I'm completely blank on water filter. That's why I tried to search it here in this forum to look for some information.

How do we know if a water quality is good? Unless you have the device to test it, how do you know if your water quality is good? Leave out the foul smell or the color of the water, a crystal clear water not necessary means good quality of water.

The effect of bad water quality will probably took effect in your body in a long run, so by using it for 1-2 years doesn't mean that you are using the correct water filter.

I was planning to have a direct water to drink from POU, and I did ask few questions back in this thread last year. The reason is for efficiency, no need to cook the water, safe a lot of time, also at that time I just have a son about 1.5 year old, of course I want nothing but the best for him.
And I got an answer also from this thread, go for a NSF certified water filter, so I try to research a bit about NSF, and up until then when I bought the water filter, Amway E-spring was the complete NSF certified water filter (NSF 42, 53 & 55). However concerning the water quality from Syabas, I also added another POE water filter 3M AP902, which also is NSF 42, just to ease up the filtration of the E-Spring.

And I got what I wanted, I could drink directly from the faucet, if you ask me if my water quality is good enough to drink? I also can't answer the question, but I have an ease of mind just basing on the NSF certified water filter I have. My family have been drinking the water since we move in until now.

Another thing I like about Espring is because they have an indicator of when you need to change the filter. Unlike the 3M AP902 I have, I don't know when is the best time to change it, and it's still working good, meaning not clogging, or causing the water pressure to be smaller than before.

By the way, I'm not Amway distributor/agent, I'm only a common water filter user, sharing what I've been using base on own experience.
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post Feb 21 2016, 05:06 AM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Feb 16 2016, 11:34 AM)
I notice they heavily advertise on their MILD ALKALINE water rated pH 7.6-7.8. Nothing great about it as our water supply has minerals and that is why tap water is already mild alkaline, Aquaphor Crystal Eco has been labtest with local water supply with pH 7.6.
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Hi Zheilwane,

I pmed you but no reply, I guess your inbox is fulled or my pm didn't get through.
Do you still sell the 3M AP910r cartridge? How much if you do?
Please pm me back.


Thanks
cuber
post May 9 2018, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ May 8 2018, 10:14 PM)
One more questions:

Though FD components are NSF, I cannot get NSF certification with FD name on it, at this point it's impossible. BUT! Is there any kind of laboratory/tests/certification that would be value added? I'm talking either local or Singapore. For example, there is SGS in Malaysia, they are reputable international company and can do the test, but how much Malaysians know about it and how much reputation does it have here?

I know there are small independent labs, I'm sure they do analysis just fine, however, I find this analysis useless, because take lead for example, test result may show that there is 0 lead, but what if there's 0 lead in water coming to filter?

Any contaminants that you would be especially interested in? Take lead once again, we can make sure source water has lots of lead, pass it through the filter and show the result (same for chlorine etc).

Any of this is added value, or no? I could probably cooperate with the lab and even film the whole process of testing.
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I'm not sure about all these lab reports or anything, but in general, how many percentage of our society actually aware of this NSF or the quality of water. As far as I know, older generation still boiled their drinking water.
Younger generation, well mostly they don't do any research and just buy/choose based on price/advertisement.

I believe everything will be depending on what is the purpose of the water filter itself, I will definitely use FD after going through all those back reading from previous pages. Price wise and quality wise, I don't see anybody is competing or disagree. I'm using the Espring now, I just want to wait until the next filter change, then I will stop using it and change to FD.


Hestati, do you have any POE filtration system? I'm using the the 3M AP902 at the moment.
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post May 19 2018, 03:46 AM

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QUOTE(hestati @ May 17 2018, 09:35 PM)
Wow, why this thread is dead? After GE everyone's water suddenly improved )))?

I am preparing easy guides on how to choose best water filter (no, it will not just sell Fresca), will post it here as well once ready.

PoE also will be ready soon, there are few changes, but will present it here too (again, just present, not try give a sales pitch).

P.S. signature is still glowing red even though I removed all <color> tags...
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Whatever guide you provide, if it's based on table of comparison, I'm not sure that is convincing enough. I myself don't know anything about water quality, I'm just blindly trusting the NSF labels.

Let's take for example, your Fresca is not certified by NSF, but the filters inside are from NSF certified brands. However you can't stated blatantly that the Fresca is NSF certified water filter.

Older generation simple thinking, whatever you filter with your water, still boil to drink it, whether the water is filtered or not. As long as the water doesn't smell, boil is enough.

I don't know, but I think if there is a device to simply test the water quality of pre-filter vs filtered water vs any competitive brands of water filters, that would make things clear and easy to make any decision.
But is there any device to do that?

If there is a device that could test a water quality, you don't need to do any guide, just simply show them the test result on the spot.
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post May 19 2018, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ May 19 2018, 05:08 AM)
Just few points, I never mentioned that Fresca as a system is NSF certified, but all components are NSF certified.

But NSF certification doesn't tell you much if you don't know what filter can or can't do. For instance, take Easy Complete by 3M, good system, NSF and all, but it doesn't filter bacteria. Take Aquaphor, no NSF, but it does filter bacteria.

And NSF, while it's pretty much the only reputable certification out there, it's not perfect. Problem is that NSF is not quality control system. I always repeat the same story of RO tank we tried to manufacture in China for the previous company I worked for. We got it NSF certified, however some batches of the tank were giving terrible smell to water. We narrowed it down to raw material variances and pulled out of China completely, but if company hadn't decide to do so, who knows how quickly NSF would catch it? Maybe never.

For the independent test, yes it can be done, but here's the issue: what kind of input water to consider? Regular tap water? Not the best idea. Test for every contaminant? Ok, can be done, this is what is done in California, but it's costly, especially if done for many systems. I guess what I can do is to contaminate water with bacteria, lead, cyst, chlorine and pass through various filters, compare the result. But even then, this is when they are new, what happens after 6 months of usage, repeat the test?

P.S. the guide will not tell whether to choose Aquaphor or 3M, it will help to choose between say RO system or UF system, assuming that both systems are made of good components. Meaning it will tell the difference within classes of systems rather than brands.
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Exactly my point, you can't state that Fresca is NSF certified, but all the components are.


All will be back to the purpose of the water filter, what is the main purpose, if it is only to filter the sediment or rust from the water source, then I believe the sediment filter on the POE is enough.


For me, the main purpose is, I want to drink straight from the tap, and my setup is having 3M AP902 as POE and Espring as POU. This is the only way I can skip the boiling and confident enough to drink from the Espring faucet directly. This is the best setup out there available from 3-4 years ago, because I also learn this from this exact thread 4 years ago.

If you ask me, is this actually safe, I don't know, I blindly trust the NSF certified 3M AP902 and Espring. However I never had my water tested, whether it is safe to drink or not, is there anyway to test the quality of the water coming out from the Espring faucet?

And you could also compare the quality of the water of the direct boiling, I believe this will be a very convincing way to prove that water filter is indeed important and which water filter is actually doing what they are supposed to do.

 

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