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Boon3
post Oct 23 2015, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2015, 02:25 PM)
I dunno wor.. i seem to have some fetish with lembik stock... sweat.gif

I see a stock surge high.. straight away no mood to even look at it..  tongue.gif

If i see downtrend stocks.. then it is interesting and I do my FA..

Something wrong kah?  laugh.gif
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Lol....

Try paper trade ma.....

See if you can develop/improve your buying.

Take Top glove recently....
When we talked it was just off its all time high...
Look at the price now....
How much has the price increased?
Why?


It's such a misconception about stock highs....
Remember when a stock hits a high....
Usually there's a reason for the high demand for stock...
And sometimes....
The demand is do justifiable that the stock continues to hit new highs after new highs for many years.....

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post Oct 23 2015, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Oct 23 2015, 02:47 PM)
Saya mau cuba.

If I was trading Top Glove recently, I will would have entered at around 7.92
Why? Coz I can see the share price consolidating from mid July to early Oct based on the minimal price movement at the top and the volume.
There is similar characteristics in the past.
So this tells me there is a high chance the price can still go up...
in the end from overall chart... I see a higher high and higher low consistency.
If I am wrong, just cut-loss at either 5 to 10% of entry price.
But when the big volume comes in higher than the normal average, u know they are starting to buy or cook up the stock higher.

Berapa markah cikgu?
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Zero markah.....

Cos I am asking about another stock. tongue.gif


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post Oct 23 2015, 04:18 PM

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QUOTE(lynetnonyma @ Oct 23 2015, 02:58 PM)
That day I browsing stocks, I noticed ULICORP.
I think it was mentioned here sometime early last yer. I think by MrLoo. Wasn't taken seriously then.
It was around RM1 then, now its over RM4. Don't know reason for such increase. Would have been good to get a little then. Hopefully MrLoo benefitted.

Always easy to look back and find when would have been a good time to get in. But not so easy to know at that time was the right time...
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Yes, it's so easy to look back....
Heck everyone can be a master... tongue.gif
However, me poking Gark and asking him 'currently'....

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post Oct 23 2015, 05:20 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2015, 02:21 PM)
Ok charts..  hmm.gif

On uptrend from bottom of 90cents..

Surge on early October then consolidate and surge again on mid October..

Declining volume..

But.. got immediate potential to reach 1.30 in near future.. and got risk to consolidate back to 1.10

But higher chance of reaching 1.30 before Q announcement which is anticipated to be good

Emm.. still not confident enough to buy.  sweat.gif
So.. how many marks out of 10?  tongue.gif
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Missed this couple of posting.

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Not bad.

From a 'tactical' or 'strategical' point of view...
with the upcoming quarterly report (which is scheduled to be next week inm)...
this company should report an outstanding report.
one could assume from the evidence seen from Top Glove report (though different industry but main driver is the USD factor)....

The market had shown some keenness already since it has pushed the stock to current level 118 la....
and with it consolidating in this region....
which is a norm....
the market is just in the waiting game for the actual numbers

( the pattern is almost the same as Top Glove, yes? where TG was pushed to the 850... then the stock consolidated back to around 8.10 or so as it awaits the actual number... )

so the assumption is....
the stock is just consolidating now.....

now some would call that there are 2 type of traders....
traders who anticipates and traders who reacts....
where the first group might buy in the consolidatory period while the second would wait and buy upon 'action'...
arguments are aplenty on which is better.... tongue.gif

so the question again was more simple...
it is not asking you to read what is happening....
but asking you a more direct....
buy or don't buy. tongue.gif

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post Oct 23 2015, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(lynetnonyma @ Oct 23 2015, 02:22 PM)
Can I try?
Would have been good to get in around 1.05-1.06?
Now, maybe around 1.16-1.18 can get?
But not sure if must wait till pass 1.20-1.22 first.
Hopeful / possible to reach 1.29?
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So sorry.
Missed this posting of yours.

Of course you can try.

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psst.... mark down your observations (hehe... consider it as a real live paper trade ma.... see what happens to the stock the next 2 weeks.


no right no wrong hor.....
cos I have no idea what will happen to the stock too....

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post Oct 23 2015, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(lynetnonyma @ Oct 23 2015, 02:58 PM)
That day I browsing stocks, I noticed ULICORP.
I think it was mentioned here sometime early last yer. I think by MrLoo. Wasn't taken seriously then.
It was around RM1 then, now its over RM4. Don't know reason for such increase. Would have been good to get a little then. Hopefully MrLoo benefitted.

Always easy to look back and find when would have been a good time to get in. But not so easy to know at that time was the right time...
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There will be stocks like ULICORP where an ordinary stock surges way beyond expectations, turning into a multi bagger.
Why?
The G-Factor.
Was it played?
Answer YES. (Many years before that it too was G-ed)

My arguments now would be (about) the same as previously.
At the time of those postings,
was Ulicorp an ordinary company?
answer: not only was it ordinary but it was rather below average.

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This is the current performance.
When we talked about it...
we were only looking as far as 2013 numbers.

which means we were talking whose profits went from 18 mil >> 16 mil >> 17 mil >> 16 mil

that was the only track record available.

Are those numbers indicating a good company?
Or is that clearly a below average company? wink.gif

The only saving grace was the stock was the stock was selling at a PE below 10.

What did it mean to me?

It was simple.
A clearly an average stock trading at a slightly cheaper valuation.

Would I buy just cos of the low PE?

My answer then is no.
and my answer in the future is still a no.

and oh yeah...
I never did mention it...
but this stock actually was recommended by my broker to me...
reason simple.
Someone has plans for it in the wok.
That's all.

Now I am not a wok player.
I am not that kind of trader.

Never worked no matter how much effort I put paper trading such stocks.
Always at someone's else mercy.
But this is my poison.
yes?


anyway...
the stock profits did improve...
as profits went from 16 million to 23 million.

Now is it justifiable to be a multi bagger? rolleyes.gif

check the track record...
check the balance sheet....

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I would miss such stock a million times.
And I would also miss stock like BRAhim a million times.

It's not my type of game.

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pssst.
sometimes it is a waste of time talking to someone with vested interest in a particular stock.
cos not many like to hear the weakness in their stock selection.
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post Oct 23 2015, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2015, 06:29 PM)
If I want to earn 10-20 sen/share in the immediate future.. then will buy...

But if I want bagger.. this  might not be the right time to buy.  wink.gif
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Purpose of such stuff I'd to develop your trading kindest. tongue.gif
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post Oct 23 2015, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 23 2015, 02:25 PM)
I dunno wor.. i seem to have some fetish with lembik stock... sweat.gif

I see a stock surge high.. straight away no mood to even look at it..  tongue.gif

If i see downtrend stocks.. then it is interesting and I do my FA..

ps: remember last time when we first talked about Inari?
wasn't it trading close to its highs then?

remember when we first talked Homer boy?

wasn't it near its highs then?



afraid of highs?


and what about downtrend stocks?
sometimes.... the downtrend can last years...... and the stock can go even lower.....

ever wonder?


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need to add more poison.... whistling.gif
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post Oct 24 2015, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 24 2015, 10:03 AM)
Errrr .. your meaning? Like a riddle..  rclxub.gif
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How on earth do I know what I was talking about here?

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post Oct 24 2015, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 24 2015, 10:04 AM)
But but... going too high can be overbought and then fall..

Chasing high has its risk too.. similar to chasing low..  tongue.gif
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Embrace the highs........ tongue.gif





This is the thing yes?

High...scared fall

But then....when low.....why no scared the more deadly duo....
Ie.....low for a long time / the low keeps getting lower?

Mystery of the world?




But when a stock hits a high...
There must be a reason right?

When a stock becomes a four bagger...
How many highs would we keep seeing?

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post Oct 24 2015, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(cooldownguy86 @ Oct 24 2015, 10:54 AM)
abg gark punya singapok trust macam mana? hehe tongue.gif. Property and retail in msia and singapok slowing down liao. I think the only bright spot foro property and retail in the region is budak indon. or maybe myanmar when their open up their casino brows.gif
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Hoiiiii.....

Stay focus la.

How many stocks you mau screw at one go?

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Past 2 months...
You hot hand la....
Up now....errr...30%?
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post Oct 24 2015, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(cooldownguy86 @ Oct 24 2015, 06:37 PM)
Yes  saya sudah tahu salah. Erm  10%?
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No siput siput laaaa.....

if 10%....
it means you are leaving a LOT of $$$ on the table......



if you don't mind me saying....
I see you enjoy analyzing companies..... a lot of companies...
This is good but the bottom line is making money....

how do you think you can improve?


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post Oct 24 2015, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(cooldownguy86 @ Oct 24 2015, 10:24 PM)
Ya i abit hamsap and miang  sweat.gif . And I dun dare to kasi masuk1 big shot especially when it's breaking out  doh.gif .

Right now i'm 40% cash 60% stocks. out of which - 30% rubber, 15% furniture, 5% egg,  5% utility, 5% shipping

Maybe I should consider
1. Increase my stock exposure to 80%
2. Buy more rubber & furniture on weakness
3. Buy beaten down stocks during the Nov earning reporting season. Stuff on my watchlist are pmetal, bjauto, skpetro, armada, teoseng. Hmm I very flower heart  sweat.gif
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Don't so ham sap.
Love one at a time....
don't so flower flower ............... laugh.gif tongue.gif


Remember the saying...
The big money is in the waiting....


compare it ........
see?

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5 sectors?
Maybe a bit too much.... I think.... sweat.gif
Choose the stronger 2....

u think can help?


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post Oct 24 2015, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(cooldownguy86 @ Oct 24 2015, 10:46 PM)
Yup agree will work on cutting down the number of sectors  nod.gif . the strongest should be like what abg boon say i.e. those export oriented - rubber and furniture. But I always want to wait for weakness to topup - at least SMA20 - which will likely cause me to chicken run  doh.gif .
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using sma stuff has a lot of weakness.
in your case.. the stock, doesn't fall down exactly to your targeted sma prices...
and sometimes... on the other hand... some rely and expect to see support at their targeted sma levels... but some how, shit happens and the stock falls right thru......

you agree?
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post Oct 25 2015, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(cooldownguy86 @ Oct 24 2015, 11:38 PM)
Ya but if they fall thru the sma i would be happy especially when boon kor already convinced us that the fundamentals are good  rclxms.gif  !

Anyway I still hope to topup furniture before the Nov reports  smile.gif  !
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what it falls way below? tongue.gif
and in the wake of profit reports...
you would then start questioning yourself....
what if the 'selldown' is caused by insiders ....
and what if the insiders are selling caused they got wind of a unexpected poor quarter?


oh ya... you do know that I can make mistakes (esp my fundamentals)........ tongue.gif

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post Oct 25 2015, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(cooldownguy86 @ Oct 25 2015, 12:19 AM)
Haha im sure I'll be excited if got megasales coz kena brainwash by abg boon liao.  But i think the risk is rather low. Even if next quarter is not as good the subsequent quarters would be decent as long as the macros i e usd remains is strong
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Dude... seriously.... never trust me or anyone else.

It's the one big rule in the stock market.


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post Oct 25 2015, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Oct 25 2015, 11:49 AM)
exactly.
we shd only trust thise who can show us their actual n real trading list with real winnings. else, all talk kork n talk big loitering ....
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Even then...... for me (my poison) ..... there's no exceptions....
I will follow no one - not even those who show their read trading list and their actual winnings.....

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post Oct 26 2015, 06:37 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 26 2015, 12:43 PM)
Got enough oil stocks..due to average down.. currently already in the green..

Might want to reduce some at slight profit as its a big % of potfolio now.. then hold the rest for bigger gain sweat.gif

Ah Boon gonna come with rotan again..  cry.gif
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Sure boh your crocodile tears? tongue.gif

Simply rotan my rotan will soon be rotten la.



These stuff is your MARKET STRATEGY.

Knowing the fundamentals is your knowledge, your firepower.

Now to win the war, you will need the strategy.

You think your strategy, ok bo?

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post Oct 27 2015, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 27 2015, 10:13 AM)
No strategy..  rolleyes.gif

Just waiting for $80 oil in 2018...

Long time more to wait..  sad.gif
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How to win a war without strategy? tongue.gif




Today so free to talk about average company like Padini?


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post Oct 27 2015, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 27 2015, 12:17 PM)
Ya .. too free.. all stocks in all markets is free fall.. due to FED again..  tongue.gif

Waiting is also a strategy mah... thats what SunTzu says..  laugh.gif
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