Traders Kopitiam! V8
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 Oct 2 2015, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 2 2015, 06:42 PM) Impair he has no choice.. but sell at loss means he will admit he made a mistake.. his ego wont allow it... Won't be the first....  He loss over 10 million in Axiata last time... all cos he no want to take up the rights issue...  |
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Oct 2 2015, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 2 2015, 06:41 PM) The $60 coincide with the dot-com craze.. wonder who bought at that amount.. Stock had everything.... 1. Big name owner. 2. Cash cash and more cash in balance sheet.... 3. Stock buybacks - very aggressive type... 4. Ang Mo CEO (if not mistaken) 5. Investors favorite.... multi multi bagger.... from 6 to 60 over... I think.... err... hungry... time to get some food.... |
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Oct 2 2015, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Oct 2 2015, 06:54 PM) Can learn anything from this stock? OMG!!!! Kuaaaaaaaaaaaacci This one? We talked on it b4, check out this page: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2657883/+1240 One simple thing.... Those posting were written in 2013... Ok, the idea is to buy the stock cos it's a value play type of stock. now the reasonings were justifiable.... and if we bought the stock based on value play.... the stock probably did nothing.... not much return from the stock... compare alternative 'ideas'..... see? |
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Oct 2 2015, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE(cooldownguy86 @ Oct 2 2015, 07:02 PM) Next q report still got 2 months haha. I dun dare play breakout. Prefer buy on weakness. But aiya forgot collect topglov. Nx week likely no chance liao. hehe.... each own poison laaa............  anyway ... let's give it an extra thought.... ask yourself.... why do stock breakouts? for me: it's usually based on good news etc. why do stock breakdowns? usually got bad news, yes? for example... take CIMB....  plenty of weakness, yes? the stock keeps falling and falling yes? check out the earnings trend and compare it vs the stock trend.... do you see why the stock so weak? you see... stock with weakness... the risk? the weakness could get much, much worse before improving..... and sometimes... it is possible that it doesn't. so buying on weakness... yeah, it would appear that one is getting a 'discount'.... but then.... the biggest risk is that the risk could worsen. yeah.. stock that is growing... the risk is also that the growth could end... and when it does... the stock could die.... it's not as straight forward, yes? |
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Oct 3 2015, 05:15 AM
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QUOTE(hehe86 @ Oct 2 2015, 10:11 PM) Mana Magni mana?? hehee cheh! Show off... aiyooooo... choose own poison lar....  |
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Oct 3 2015, 06:20 PM
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Oct 3 2015, 05:27 PM) Summary of your sharing. Ohhhhmyyyyyyyyyyyygoooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrdddddd!!!! So in some sense, among the common ways to get baggers is.... 1. Either you invest before the breakout trend when the price is still consolidating or at the early stage of the breakout trend. Just ride all the way up when it the share is being pushed 2. Fish and collect during weakness as you know the stock will be pushed back up. E.g good FA stocks, GLCs linked to the index. 3. Collect when stock is at a downtrend for a long time but is about to turnaround after showing signs of improvement in results and overall direction. The tricky part I believe would be selecting the method with the highest probability and having the necessary ammo plus guts to execute and stick/hold to your decision to baggerasm~ The problem with most investors I think is the Price criteria (e.g prefer cheap amounts so can invest more) and fear of the share price collapsing since it is already quite high. So in the end it all bounds down to high risk = high returns. Why you so hardworking one laaaa!!!! psssst: I only click here click there only some random charts.... don't simply assume yaaa... psssst: I also believe in LESS is MORE. Kiddddddaaaaauuuup man! You need to learn now how to trade. |
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Oct 4 2015, 03:23 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 4 2015, 03:14 PM) If you got buy... scan n post here lah..  Why don't you go buy a copy? pssst: I no read those papers before. LOL! |
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Oct 4 2015, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 4 2015, 03:50 PM) Not to say dun wan buy... but indon no sell leh..  |
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Oct 4 2015, 06:48 PM
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Oct 4 2015, 05:15 PM) Guys, just wondering, I know some of you are Long term investors, some short term investors, some are pure traders, some play purely intra-day trading. Dude...So what is your cut-loss level that you usually set based on the above methods of investing/trading? (e.g 1%, 5%, 10%, 15%) Some people don't cut-loss, so end up being a long term investor and some become a forever and ever investor. Or if you believe in the stock, you will continue to average down? You need to know yourself first. You know the Sun Tzu stuff? Before you go to war, you need to know yourself first.... Knowing what kind of player you are is far most important. For example...you can know all the hop haa about trading.... But..... If you cannot cut ( despite knowing the importance )... Then....it's common sense you should not be a trader... Or if you wanna be an investor... And you know all you want to know about investing.... But....somehow.... You might be one who is easily swayed by early and easy profits... You would end up always selling fast and short... Unable to build good profits.... And might even end up holding a portfolio of stocks.... just cos they are paper losses.... Know yourself first.... So who are you? |
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Oct 4 2015, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Oct 4 2015, 08:11 PM) Knowing yourself is one thing. But I believe if u want to do well or even try to survive in the market and make money, u need to be versatile and keep honing/improving your skills along the way. My poison to you.... don't U must know how to be a trader and investor for different type of investment objective, different type of company's, different type of circumstances and timing, just like what Pinky said. Not one method applies to all companies all the time right. U can use two methods or more for one company. Whichever poison u choose as long as can make money. I'm just trying to gauge some of the styles/strategies the veterans are using. Can learn from discussion and improve from there ma. So to answer your question, I am doing both. I do cut-loss when I am doing short-term trading, at 5 to 10%. For stocks, which I believe in their biz model, prospects and FA, then I will average down (if downtrend) or just hold and ride the wave. I always use only one method... the one best method that suits me... I don't believe in using more than one method. If I know I am good at investing... I will just be an investor... And if I know I am good at trading... I will stick with trading... I just do not believe in using many methods. Ooooh.... Short term trading... ? I do not do short term trading. Why? It's not that I cannot skin a trade... It's not that I cannot day trade... It's just that I know myself... I discovered myself after years of just paper trading. And what I know is... I cannot do short term trading... It's just who I am. So I avoid it. But that's just me... Who knows.... You might be a good short term trader.  pssst.... We are discussing. For me... these stuff... ie finding out what one is good at... these are the very important first steps.... pssst.... I paper traded for many years.  I think it is outright stupid to mess around and pay tuition fees.... Money is always hard earned... I respect money too much..... So I don't mess around... pssst.... if you insist... for short term trading.... use 6% cut loss.... pssst.... if you are an investor.... averaging down... I know... common saying is... you are getting the same good thing but cheaper... so you buy more ... ie you average down... the risk? such thinking leads to mistakes.... why? sometimes... you invest the stock... the price goes down..... what IF... what if... the main reason why the price goes down.... is invested wrongly? ie... you could either pay too much for your initial investment... or... you simply made a wrong judgement call on the investment... either way... when you average down.... you are simply buying more of your initial mistake.... |
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Oct 5 2015, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE(TakoC @ Oct 5 2015, 09:15 AM) Is it? All this while I thought you are a trader, not investor. Haha! OOps I think you misunderstand trading... Not all trading are day trading or scalp trading... You see a business traders... ? Are all business traders traders who brings in a batch of goods and tries to dump all at once (to do that, they have to sell at a lower margin, yes?) ? Some business traders, trades their goods only at a very good margin. |
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Oct 5 2015, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Oct 5 2015, 09:24 AM) On the last part, it can be subjective... U won't know from one qtr result or from sudden change in price patterns when there is no announcement on whether how u invested was wrong or not. When people invest for long term, they should have some compelling reason (conviction) to invest. Out of the blues, when the market decide to mess around with u via a whiplash or orchestrated u-turn for the insiders to accumulate or if there is something brewing and about to announced soon, there is simply no way for u simply say your judgement was a wrong call until u receive further info to support that basis. So normally, people who suddenly see 10 to 30% negative unrealised loss, will always either observe what is happening or accumulate more on weakness. When things really go north 30% above losses or when the 2nd qtr results really confirm shit is happening or when there are plenty of news sprouting out everywhere that there is real shit happening, then the decision to cut-loss or to average down further is even more challenging. Put in money to a potential major falling knife or save your bullets for another rainy/shiny day? But with that said, I think to avoid all the above drama, the best is to just be discipline and cut-loss when it has reached your preferred threshold. Go back in again at lower prices only after reassessing the whole situation objectively whether it is still worth the investment. I am just sharing my poison. You have the right to seek your own poison and antidote. Yes, quarterly results can suddenly change. It's up to you to interpret what you want to do with those set of results. It's up to you to decide if it's a one off or if the changes are permanent or if the weakness could be slightly longer... then you decide what you want to do with your trade or investment. But if it's due to say market weakness or currently our ringgit and economic issues... then you have to ask yourself... why didn't you include this in your RISK ASSESSMENT? QUOTE When people invest for long term, they should have some compelling reason (conviction) to invest. Out of the blues, when the market decide to mess around with u via a whiplash or orchestrated u-turn for the insiders to accumulate or if there is something brewing and about to announced soon, there is simply no way for u simply say your judgement was a wrong call until u receive further info to support that basis. Well I sort of agree. But remember you are MASTER of your own 'investment'.... yes? Don't you want TOTAL CONTROL? or do you want to trust the faith of your investment with Mr.Market? Yes, sometimes it can happen like what you had just described. I agree. But this is the vesy fine line between GOOD investors or poor market players who think they are investors!! Judgement calls are not easy to make. And it gets EXTREMELY blurred when one has vested interests. For example... AirAsia. They buy at 2.50. Cos those market sifus says 4. Then they kena.. Soon it falls to 1.50. How? Then it falls to 1.00. And then less to 0.80. And because they have vested interests... and they sort of trust what they see (don't do this. )...cos everytime they fly... AirAsia always so many people.... So they keep telling themselves it is good.... How average down all the way? Yes... judgement calls are difficult... and remember... End of the day... NOT everyone makes money from the market.... ..... yes... stock market game is not as easy as many shouts it is... they have forgotten that they were (I say 'ARE') playing in one GREAT BULL MARKET! To AVOID all these dramas? You take a step back.... Not everyone can make judgement calls... IE.... not everyone can be an investor... and not everyone can be a trader.... this is why it is so important... you need to know.... if you can be a trader or an investor. |
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Oct 5 2015, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 5 2015, 09:50 AM) Ah Boon shooting me already leh..  Early morning so emo? |
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Oct 5 2015, 10:08 AM
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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 5 2015, 09:59 AM) Anyway.. good advice.. will TRY to follow more often.. Don't say until like this mah......Me only talk wind la.... and you know... I cannot do a lot of stuff that you do one. |
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Oct 6 2015, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 5 2015, 07:09 PM) Woo got RI? each time banks have RI.. most of the time crash.. Look at RHBCap as a recent example.. rights expensive no one wanna pay.. rights cheap fear dilution Jahat.... Errr...yeah RI....don't ever remind Tan Teng Boo about his reluctance in subscribing to Axiata's RI years ago... A 10 million dollar loss... Which would have been a 20 million dollar profit had he put the funds money into proper use. Having said that. . I would note that PBBank was done last year.... when the market was around the peak at 1880++.. It managed to raise 5 billion if not mistaken... A very hot market ... A market flushed with liquidity.... FF was aggressive... And the RI wasn't too taxing since it was 1 for 10... Now... It's slightly different.... Firstly...it's HLBank.... If you see the chart.... It's not an exciting stock chart.... Then it's seeking a 3 billion RI.... Not extremely big.... But...at current times? One might question the strength of the market liquidity... Will we see the market accept the RI? And as we know.... KLCI now.... Not exactly as ooomph as what we saw last year... Some say... Market hot RI....usually good. Market bad...RI usually not good.... The biggest question will the shareholders accept and subscribe to its right issue? |
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Oct 6 2015, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 6 2015, 01:12 PM) Most of time... i dont like RI, better to sell of the shares prior to RI. Must consider the risk issue hor.....Holding and not subscribe will end up diluted massively.. also a no no... So either you sell or subscribe the rights.. Some times I have seen shares driven low just cos of RI. |
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Oct 6 2015, 01:54 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 6 2015, 01:40 PM) Last top up about a month ago... now seems going no where so wait a bit first. » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « See no evil...... |
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Oct 6 2015, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 6 2015, 07:06 PM) Lol got people report my post at the XOX thread... offensive meh? Must be the promoter there report one.. What post did you make? |
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Oct 6 2015, 07:27 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 6 2015, 07:24 PM) Lol you go see for yourself.. page 20.. #338 Oooooomiiiigod!!!!Dafug??!!! You said shit ah? Seems that there are tons of brainless promotion going on page 21 |
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Oct 6 2015, 08:11 PM
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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 6 2015, 07:32 PM) That promotion has been going on everyday for >10 pages liao.. some people are just lacking..... |
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