sory coz need to open a new tread and my english is not well..

I want to know what is the best DLSR for me.. i want to buy to my school.. my principal want me buy DLSR below RM2500 for school documention..

Most a time just one to use auto mode only.. I just propose RX100 MK3 but my pricipal dont want to use compact camera..



Most activity for student outdoor and indoor activity.. He gave me one week to buy it.. please help me coz i dont know which camera is suitable and dont want my principal blame to me if i make a wrong decision...

sound like your principal wan to have a dslr which look pro but use in auto mode kind the wasted...
if he wanted dslr look i think you could try to look for canon or nikon
for canon if wan semi pro can try 70D, beginner 700D
for nikon if wan semi pro can try D7200, beginner d3300

but if for me i will recommend sony a6000 mirror-less camera i switvh from canon 60D to it.

iphone 6+

if you are not into photography, just buy a cheap second hand dslr can lor...
dun waste money, just buy a cheap second hand Nikon d40. it good enough for a beginner / complete ur assignment...

wait, this principal is providing the budget for the camera? or is he asking you to buy it yourself for school?? seems wasted if just on auto mode most of the time as well

what your principle need is a cheap dslr, with battery grip (this is important so the dslr looks big and pro), and a lens with lens hood (this is important too, same reason as having a battery grip)...

so budget ur self and get a cheap dslr and get the grip and hood, ur principle will surely be very happy and satisfy cuz all ur principle want is something that looks very pro...

my school has a sponsor for buy a new camera..

like you said. my pricipal want to look pro.. hehe.. he shame my when take a photo which compact in national level.. coz other school most of them use DLSR..

i said most of time use auto mode only coz not only one person wil be photographer..

if sony a6000 ? how much and what lens i should buy...


i want to buy lens also so i can shoot in 10 - 20m at least...

This post has been edited by tuahayam: Jun 10 2015, 09:15 AM

Sony A6000 will do good when to are shooting sport events. Great auto focus system.

Get it with kit lens and 55-200 tele lens for far away shots.

Budget will be higher than rm2000 though. Lesser than rm3000 for sure.

Its not as big as dslr from canon and nikon. But a6000 will make entry level canon nikon go to shame. Smaller size also means less weight on the shoulders carrying it.

I just taken it last two week.. i took it for RM3050 package came with
a6000 with 16-50mm, 55-210mm, one extra battery and 16gb memory card.

+1

then post on instagram

If for school property, nikon and canon. Firstly they are a lot robust than other cameras. Important if intended to pass to future students. Secondly for photography session on school activities, you want people to notice who is the photographer. The big camera and strap with big nikon/canon sign will make people give way for shooting. It works, seen many times. A6000 will make most non photographers think as point and shoot with the kit lens on. Lastly nikon and canon has way way more picture shots per battery than any mirrorless.

This post has been edited by DaddyO: Jun 10 2015, 04:56 PM

So what model do you suggest..

So what model do you suggest..

I would go for the Sony A6000 as what lwliam suggested.

I agree on what DaddyO said. He pointed out the main concerns that TS need to take consideration.

Suggest TS just grab these to fulfill your requirement:

1) Nikon D3300 ( 18-55mm ) Rm 1869 CASH (8gb +bag )
2) NIKON AF-S DX NIKKOR 50mm f1.8G - RM 729 CASH

check it out here.
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1578033

Why need 50mm prime when the kit lens has already covered that range? For what TS need is a tele lens.

He's better off with 55-200 or 55-300mm instead.

This post has been edited by lwliam: Jun 10 2015, 07:55 PM

Since when does the brand and strap make people give way for photoshoot?

I've you've been to events, you'll realize no matter how big your camera also people will still ignore you when they want their shot.

It's the official photographer's role to know how to command.

Goldy. I've given up with Malaysian new photographer's mentality already. So narrow minded.

Here am I a Canon / Nikon user who has the A6000 on my shopping list, and I have also recommended A6000 to others too but they ended up with a Canon.

I think people are just too stuck to Canon / Nikon. If someone really wants something that is DSLR then I'd say go Pentax (like the K-50), super feature rich for same price as Canon / Nikon stuff, and they're weather sealed and built like a tank.

As to the being "robust" - who's to say Sony's products aren't robust? They've been of nice build even since the early generation of Alpha pre-SLT.

Hehe.. For school activity .. When you use dlsr for shot the picture the people will have different respect when you shot..

I have canon g1 compact camera.. The picture is great but again when you shot in the school activity the people dont respect many much ..

My friend shot with nikon d3200.. And i look my picture taken by canon g1 is better than dlsr but people didnt notice it..

But camera for myself i will buy rx100 mk3 later coz for me i know compact camera has a great output picture.. And i also suggest compact camera but he dont want coz again people only respect when we shot with dlsr..

I hope people mentality will change point and shoot camera or mirrorless camera is better than dlsr with auto mode..

In my mind now is
1. Nikon d3300
2. Canon 700d
3. Canon 750d

This post has been edited by tuahayam: Jun 10 2015, 08:19 PM

Whether notice or not, I believe its the photographer to make it work.

The purpose of the camera and the photographer is to get the shot. Not to gain others respect by wielding a big camera around.

Final results matter

indoor activity, a faster prime always welcome

and shoot nice photo when principal giving speech standing with the rostrum

This post has been edited by BOTAK_WAI: Jun 10 2015, 08:43 PM

“my school has a sponsor for buy a new camera..”

some keywords here...that's school fund. if principal says no means no.

TS just pitch to the person in charge who approve the fund. What TS need to do is just "buy" the camera.

Keyword is no compact camera. Which no one here has so far suggested..

We all photo shooting enthusiasts know how well the a6000 is and we know how well it performs compare to those entry level DSLR.

But TS is on a assignment, instruction given by principal to get a "DSLR".

Unless TS can convince his principal, if not i think a6000 might not suitable. TS's objective is just want to get a suitable camera (not best) and don't want to be blamed from principal if anything goes wrong.

We shall put TS standpoint as the main consideration, just my two cents. And I agree with your previous post, it's all about mindset.

I understand where you're coming from too. But do u really feel the A6000 doesn't convey the sense of 'big' camera when attached with, say, a tele lens? I don't know. Just a curious question.

sure it does, a6000 will looks pro when tele lens and hood attached, but i don't think it can be done with TS budget

You have a point though

Btw, i think best way to convince some one to buy this camera or buy that camera, i think one need to do like that:

1. Compile some photos taken by the shortlisted camera

2. Each photo you write a remark what camera and lens used and how much does it cost.

3. Show these photos to the person who want to buy the camera.

4. Explain to the person when you spend this amount, you only can get this type of result. You want to get that result, you need to spend that amount. Further explain to the person where you need [these equipments] + [skills] for [these type of photos], and you can't achieve [that kind of photo] if you only have [skills] without [these equipments]

Photography is still a subset of design. The following matrix is still applied.

I too recommend A6000 heard very good review about it
And also good low light performance

That's if you pit photographers with big cameras together in one group. Went to a cosplayer convention with my mirrorless camera (and pancake lens), first thing i noticed people generally just ignore me and pass in front of me while shooting. But you will always see people dodging big cameras like nikon/canon even with their sizable kit lens on it.

There are two kinds of photographer. One that need to make people know they are there to take photos and one that are there to be discrete. A6000 or RX100 is kinda like the latter with it's smallish body.

Secondly this if this is meant as school camera, you want the camera to be easily noticed. Camera like Rx100 feels like will get lost somewhere if you misplace it.

Lastly and to me the biggest reason, the number of photos you can shoot with dslr in single battery waaaaayy outnumber mirrorless. You can just let your camera "on" the whole day (lcd off of course) on standby and take a picture in short notice. Sure you can have extra battery on standby but feels like hassle if you happen to be in middle of a crowd.

Of course big bodies like sony A77 also works but the price........

Also, you want to argue and explain so much to the Principal why sony is much better than canon/nikon when at the end of the day the camera does not belong to you? And when at the end of the day, you are just shooting auto mode?

This post has been edited by DaddyO: Jun 10 2015, 10:16 PM

I'm agree with what William said. if a person who has no skill in photography, even he holding a camera doesn't mean that he's a professional. furthermore, generally dslr is heavier than mirrorless camera. so, why not try mirrorless camera, as mirrorless camera can capture dslr quality photo?

I too agreed with the statement. But the camera TS will buy is not for personal use. He's not buying a "travel" camera or for personal use. He's buying it for school use. Beginner camera like nikon 3300 or canon is plenty enough and generally they are not that heavy if TS not going to buy big lenses. Also, for sports use, in near future if require tele lens, nikon/canon tele lens are much easier to find even for second hand.

I really don't mind A6000 if TS decides to buy that in the end as I agreed it's a great camera. But try explaining that to his principal.

This post has been edited by DaddyO: Jun 10 2015, 10:29 PM

Im agree with all you said n im also know mirrorless is the best..

But m principal dont want to hear it.. Coz the sponsor give to my school is to buy dlsr.. Cannot to buy mirrorless or compact .. ..

this DaddyO statement... really like junk statement. like only ppl will respect dslr user instead of mirrorless user. as funny as the @loon1983 - freak

come on lah. I don't own dslr but I did use them before. I know the picture quality is on par between mirrorless and dslr. But different cameras have their own place and purpose.

You can't tell a client that you will be using RX100 mkIII for the wedding shoot, otherwise you get the boot. A6000 paired with big ass lens may get attention but TS is not buying camera for the purpose of using different lens.

This post has been edited by DaddyO: Jun 10 2015, 10:38 PM

few of my friend use mirrorless camera like A6000, A7S, for wedding photography, as well. their artwork are quite outstanding, too

just my opinion, if the camera is capable for user's purpose, why not?

A6000 pair with what big lens (I don't recommend sony a6000 kit lens for wedding cause I checked and it's really meh)? And why compare with A7S since similar size? Also is your friend getting paid as wedding photographer or as friend's favour photographer? Again, I'm not disputing image quality. I'm just offering opinion on public perception on cameras and "personal" opinion on how not to deal with the hassle with TS principal.

Anyway we are getting out of topic so I'm ending here. I believe TS already made up his mind.

This post has been edited by DaddyO: Jun 10 2015, 10:54 PM

Why are you under the impression that his camera has to be noticed?

If you ever photographed an event before, the camera just shoot shoot shoot. You're photographing school kids running on track, they don't have the time to NOTICE your camera.

NOTE : TS said he wants so shoot stuff like 10m - 20m away and all, clearly it's for event coverage. If it was group photos and all, he would be using short focal length and would easily be noticed when want to take photo, for example "Lai lai you one group stand together look here smile 1 2 3 OK kau tim".

School activity coverage is a mixed of both.

And precisely my point. They don't have time to "Notice" your camera. No, not the school kids. The parents, audience and spectators if you happened to be in the crowd. So they just jump in front of your camera and don't care about your existence until you point a big ass camera.

Look I'm not saying small camera is bad. Given TS situation with the principal asking him to buy a camera under school/sponsor budget who most likely think that big camera equals professional and TS recommends him smallish a6000, you want him to get in trouble is it?

If it's TS's own money to buy own camera, I would recommend a6000/Fuji/rx100mk III/panasonic/olympus/etc hands down. You don't have to buy the best of the best for principal/sponsor who don't pixel peep much as long as it looks "good enough" and satisfy their budget.

This post has been edited by DaddyO: Jun 10 2015, 11:19 PM

he has some points, although some of them might not be solid enough, but at least give some respect to people.

Mirrorless is not bad at all, but again, it's not TS's money. It's pointless to tell him how good a mirrorless is while he realized it too but at the end of the day his main reason of setting up this topic is to get a "good DSLR", not a "good camera".

It's like when you are asking for suggestion of a MPV but people keep telling you to buy a SUV instead. Who's wrong here?

I would suggest the 700D since I tried both Canon and Nikon entry level cameras before and I like Canon more. Not to mention their STM kit lenses are better than Nikon's too based on my experience.

Going by your logic then none of the recommendations here work.

In reality people don't have the time to gauge the size.

If size is really what you say then very simple......

Buy an EOS 1200D

http://www.canon.com.my/personal/products/...languageCode=EN

(RM 1799 SRP, street price should be around RM 1500)

The rest of the money go buy a 3rd party battery grip (no batter nevermind, just want to look big). And get a Nissin 600EX-RT flash.

Voila, everyone will think it's an EOS 1D-X.

Thank you! Finally someone gets my point (and possibly TS's, I think) and I like the analogy. .

Many people aren't aware of mirrorless, that's why the suggestion comes for TS to consider mirrorless because if you take note of many other people who started topics, they're not aware of anything else except SLR.

The suggestion for Mirrorless has its basis on being smaller and lighter, making it less taking on people when it comes to lugging it around.

Furthermore, being of a small nature it is less intimidating when it comes to getting people to pose before it.

i know i know.

but again, read back my words and read back TS's words.

It is not him that wanted to get a DSLR.

It's his principal.

No point convincing someone who's probably totally not understand pros and cons of a dslr/ mirrorless other than how it looks.

why not just help this poor guy to choose between the 3 cameras he listed?

ehhh you do realize that my posting is response to DaddyO's post right? This is a discussion board after all, where counter-opinions are allowed to appear.

It's a good point. BUT I'm pretty sure TS's principal/sponsor only knows the word "DSLR". Imagine if TS tell them, he used the sponsor's money to buy Iphone 6 because he thinks the camera is good enough, TS will get spanked.

I believe the "intimidating" part is when you trying to photograph random strangers, not when they know/anticipate you taking photos of them.

i do. but then you are one of them who suggested the a6000 so I am not only pointing my words to you (sorry if my quote causes misunderstanding).

of course I am not saying that discussion are not allowed, but in my opinion we are going pretty faraway from TS's question to get a DSLR on behalf of his principal.

You do realize that out of the 3 models, only the D3300 is within your RM 2.5k budget, right?

Well the A6000 suggestion was way before the listed models came into the picture.

It's entirely up to TS now on whether the sponsors can accept the A6000.

It's sleek and stylish, it's smaller and has with swivel LCD. need lwliam to share about the AF speed though, if the AF speed is faster than Canon and Nikon entry level then it's a bonus when it comes to photographing events.

No harm TS go back give some feedback to principal, it will show TS did research. If I'm the principal I would be happy with the effort.

Check with lazada online

Eos 700d RM1899
Eos 750d RM2399

A6000 i dont think my pricipal wants that.. But can describe what the advantage.. Maybe for me personal coz i now want to buy small camera .. Just think rx100

This post has been edited by tuahayam: Jun 11 2015, 12:08 AM

http://www.lazada.com.my/import-canon-dslr...ag-1154083.html <=- this one? I have doubts with the warranty, seeing that it's import set.

As for 750D i can't find any that's RM 2399 with lens.

Goldy.. As we have all established, TS doesn't want anything other than DSLR.. Let's leave it at that.

The a6000 can perform admirably at tracking a dirt bike race recently held in/around sepang.. No doubt about it.

I've recently used the 7D mark 1 at a patio dinner event on a 85/1.8. I'm not impressed with its AF locking, granted, the 85/1.8 isn't an outstanding lens to begin with in terms of AF. So using that logic, I'm not sure how would an entry level camera perform if 7D can't really cut it. Disclaimer: I have not used any extra level canon nikon / 7Dm2 recently to make a comparison.

As for the principle, I feel sad for him as he's so tunnel visioned about being only DSLR can get good get images while totally shutting out other better choices out there.

If what others say doesn't swing with you, there's no need to be rude my friend.

Learn to give your thoughts in a respected way, if you want to be respected back yourself.

at the end of the day, and after so much of discussion..

your principal or your co-colleagues who hold the DSLR, looks pro but took back some shitty pictures... most likely the person who bought the camera will get the blame too...

rule of thumb: pictures from DSLR not necessary the best (big sensor means better picture?)... iPhone camera creates wonder too !

This post has been edited by geek8585: Jun 11 2015, 09:02 AM

Ok.. Have talked to my principle.. He agree for my opinion which pick from this thread that dlsr is not best camera but sadly he told me the sponsor has state the money just to buy dlsr.. Buy it or not buy at all.. ..

And for myself.. A6000 or rx100 mk3 is best camera in auto mode.. And its a6000 i must buy lens and flash to ? The price is mk3 is about rm2.5k.. Like the same with a6000.. And which is great in autofocus..

This post has been edited by tuahayam: Jun 11 2015, 09:21 AM

or just buy fuji bridge cam, pro look also mar,
some more can focus from 1 cm to miles away, no dslr can do it...

A6000 kit lens to my eyes does not do the camera much justice. If you not planning to buy better lens for a6000, rx100mkiii (no advice on mk1 or 2) has much better faster lens. Heard that mkiii also have better video performance than a6000 too. Of course some compromise due to the sensor size in terms of bokehness and versatility due to fixed lens. Also depends on ergonomic preference, a6000 is gripper and easier to hand hold. Mkiii evf is a strain to use.

This post has been edited by DaddyO: Jun 11 2015, 09:33 AM

Or go Fuji. Love their jpeg straight out if you not bother with raw.

This post has been edited by DaddyO: Jun 11 2015, 09:31 AM

How much are Fujis? Fall in TS' price range?

oh i left it at that since last night mah.