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post Dec 21 2017, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(gilabola @ Dec 21 2017, 12:34 AM)
I was quoted the following price for a 1  HP installation:
- RM200 for first 10 ft
- RM80 for point
- RM16 per ft

I may need an additional 20ft so it will cost quite a bit in per ft costs

Does this cost sound reasonable? RM 600 + in total
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standard price.

but what pipe they using and what thickness?

the best pipe out there for 1hp 0.8mm thickness is around rm600 per 20m. but it's normally installer charge x3 the material cost for everything.

i'm assuming the rm200 includes the wires & brackets & drain pipe (if new installation).
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post Dec 21 2017, 07:51 AM

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QUOTE(lepo @ Dec 18 2017, 09:55 AM)
Hi sifu,

Does this York 1.5hp inverter + Rm250 for installation consider ok price?

One shop told me that If York brand are from China and difficult to get spare part?
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for AC i noticed 11street is cheaper than Lazada even including postage. if you can self pickup easily save rm80 but remember you still need to install. not all online sellers have installation service and they may be included (10ft) or additional charge.

best get Daikin, York is like Compaq, now under HP but lower tier than HP.
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post Dec 21 2017, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Dec 21 2017, 09:49 AM)
Why the additional length? Is it because of placement choice or condo restricting compressor placement necessitating long pipe runs? AC should go over the shortest possible route that is above the window so that compressor is placed outside at the AC ledge. Normally around 2.5-3m for landed dwelling.

If your preference is because of deep placement within the room which needs extra length to reach compressor space, account the cost for concealment and painting back the walls or laying exposed trunking.

Finally, note that not all 1HP maximum pipe length (expressed in m or feet one way) are the same. Some could be max 10-15m. Rarely if not very few for 1HP to exceed 15m run length. For such it's more common for 2HP and above which commonly reaches 20-30m max pipe length depending upon model. The only exception where 1HP piping going beyond 15m is when a multi split system where one compressor powers a combination of 2-4 blowers of up to 4HP or more in total.
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Sharp 1hp UHD is max 15m, but Mitsubishi, Daikin 1hp can go around 20m. but better check specs 1st.
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post Dec 26 2017, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(topearn @ Dec 25 2017, 08:53 PM)
When we buy aircon, do they include installation ? If yes, can buy now and instal 2 months later ?
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depends, most electrical shop not included but they have installer usually rm200+ including bracket & 10ft pipe/wires anything more is add on they have price list.

if you buy lazada/11street some seller includes free installation (usually up to 10ft).

best is check before buy.

if buy now install 2 months most shops can deliver 2 months later and install together but any reason you want to buy 1st? if buy from online you need to find installer yourself, price wise around that range.

any hacking, drilling, high places etc all are addons.
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post Dec 26 2017, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(gilabola @ Dec 22 2017, 08:13 AM)
Thanks for the advice, cuttlefish and advocacy. I looked at the specs on the Panasonic website and it says 10 g/ m:

Chargeless Pipe Length (m) 7.5
Maximum Pipe Length (m) 10
Maximum Elevation Length (m) 5
Additional Refrigerant Gas* (g/m) :10

Will watch out for this when I engage an installer
By the anyone has an affordable installer to recommend? The quote I got was RM 800 to install. There is additional work needed to hack walls for drain pipe to route to nearest toilet
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rm800 what length, brand pipe & thickness?

cables recommended not wrap together with copper pipe but in it's own pvc pipe and make sure it's 4 cables whether you buy inverter or not. if you buy non-inverter they will just pull 3 wires future you can't upgrade to inverter without pulling another cable.

hack wall depends brick wall or concrete walls.

also if you want proper job exposed area usually use PVC pipe for additional protection.

best is specify exactly what you want to them so they can quote you properly, if not it's typical chinaman style you may not like it.
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post Dec 27 2017, 01:33 PM

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Multisplit is good if you have space problem for compressors and cannot put too many compressors.

Few things to consider for multisplit:

1.All share 1 compressor so if 1 compressor faulty all AC cannot use.

2.Piping needs to be thicker & maybe bigger to cater the higher output for the single compressor.

3.If you buy smaller compressor it takes longer time for each room to cool down if turned on together compared to single units.

4.you need to make sure you are using all the AC's close to the compressor design output. if you buy a 5 system split unit and only use 1-2 AC the compressor will be running below half it's designed capacity thus it will be less efficient thus consuming more electricity, and also may affect it's long term run. it's like cars constantly stuck in slow traffic will suffer more wear & tear than those cruising at higher speed.

5.Last but not least if the compressor breaks you need to spend more money to replace.
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post Dec 27 2017, 07:12 PM

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just wondering for Parcoil they come coiled meaning 20 meters can be easily carried around using normal vehicle no need van/truck?
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post Dec 29 2017, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(cyclone9 @ Dec 28 2017, 10:35 AM)
My aircon contractor just install aircon cooper but I found bathroom pipe are was not insulated.
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did your contractor wrap the copper pipe together with the wires coz i'm seeing more than 2 pipes there. if they are you will expect possibility of short circuit when condensation happens inside the cables.

if it's just a section that they missed the insulator you can buy and wrap yourself. if they run tru a hole or wall it'd be more difficult to wrap but still you can wrap the majority part that is not insulated and use insulator tapes to tape off the intersection of 2 insulators.

proper way should be pipes inside insulator(s), wires inside PVC pipe. but most installers i've seen wrap together because it's the easiest. though you waste alot of insulators when you wrap the wires together but i guess insulators are cheaper than their time & pvc pipe.

and if you only pulled 3 wires, you won't be able to change to inverter AC in the future without pulling an extra wire.
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post Dec 29 2017, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Dec 28 2017, 03:53 PM)
It will drip due to humid air in the ceiling. Humid area need thicker insulation like 1/2" on top of the pipe diameter. Some do even use 3/4". Some AC supply shops sell insulation by 6' run. Perhaps you might want to find an alternative contractor to rectify that by changing that section to thicker insulation if possible.
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do you know if Inaba coiled copper pipe are easy to carry around with car without needing a van or truck?

i know those straight ones must use van/truck but i've never seen coiled pipes in actual yet.
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QUOTE(cuttlefish @ Dec 28 2017, 12:58 AM)
Generally speaking, single split and multi split design pressure is based on the refrigerant used.
So for R410a, design pressure is at about 400 psig.
Piping thickness requirement should be the same for single split and its multi split equivalent.

Depending on each model, best efficiency is roughly at about 50% of the rated load.
So user can design around this figure.
But multi split is normally used due to air cond ledge space limitation, aesthetic, etc.
So those will come first before efficiency laugh.gif
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hi i'm not sure how the piping connection works on multisplit, whether for say a 4 system compressor there's 4 pairs of pipes running from the compressor to each indoor unit or 1 pair of pipe from compressor then split to 4 pairs of pipe to individual units.

if each indoor unit has dedicated pipe to compressor then the pipe requirement is the same, if it's split midway then the pipe runs will experience higher pressure due to compressor pumping output for 4 AC.

another thing for multisplit units is if 1 pipe leak will cause the whole system to loose it's cooling capability. so it's not just compressor failure but any pipe crack/gas leak/loosened nuts can cause issue which also means troubleshooting is more difficult if really pipe leak have to test individual pipes and replace that pipe before full system can be restored.

Multisplit system = all eggs in 1 basket.
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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Dec 29 2017, 06:25 AM)
It's quite compact. View it from the pictures or the youtube videos.
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hi bro, do you know if Inaba 1hp & 1.5hp 0.8mm thick pipe requires different pipe bending tool to bend? most installers only use 0.6mm so just wondering if they have the tool to bend 0.8mm if not they might just use bare hands which defeats the purpose of getting better pipes.

also the flaring tool, need dedicated tool for Inaba's 1hp & 1.5hp 0.8mm or just need the correct tool head?

are these bending & flaring tools available in shops selling Inaba?
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post Dec 29 2017, 12:56 PM

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anyone know if it's possible for normal car to carry 1hp AC from warehouse? the compressor & indoor unit usually packed together or separate?
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post Dec 29 2017, 09:00 PM

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QUOTE(lepo @ Dec 29 2017, 03:45 PM)
Hi Sifu,

May i know this sharp Model is good?

http://www.11street.my/productdetail/sharp...d-1-5hp-3161951

The Price is RM1258 and after survey this one the cheaper beside premium model of sharp just missing some feature like self cleaning & Lock on Sensor.

i call aconland shop and they mention the spare part for sharp is hard to find but i prefer other people opinion as shop prefer to sell their product.
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Get the UHD model is better & newer. same look but with gold lining.

btw who's gonna install the AC? if call a guy to come probably charge you rm200 whether or not you need copper pipes etc.

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QUOTE(toonny @ Dec 29 2017, 02:05 PM)
Most likely is separate. I just bought a 2.5HP unit and opted self-collection at the warehouse.
A 1hp unit should be able to fit into sedan car as like what Halcyon mentioned.
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did you go for any extended warranty?
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post Dec 30 2017, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(lepo @ Dec 29 2017, 10:39 PM)
Already survey for installation, since my house no cooper tube but already got electrical point for ac.

Installation fees go from 300 to 350.

The price is same whether i buy ac with the installer or not.
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rm300-350 is on the high side usually rm200-250 for 10ft copper plus the brackets etc, wires should be included with installation as you need 3 wires from power point to Indoor unit then 4 wires from Indoor Unit to Compressor. most malaysia AC has option to power up compressor direct from AC or via indoor to outdoor wires.

also the black brackets tend to rust over time but that's the only commercially available type.

just make sure they don't wrap the wires together with copper pipe inside the insulator. wires should go in their own pvc pipe.
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BTW anyone know where can get Stainless Steel Brackets for Compressors?

So far everywhere only carry the Black Bracket (not sure it's just painted or galvanized).
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post Dec 31 2017, 08:06 AM

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QUOTE(cuttlefish @ Dec 30 2017, 11:00 PM)
for multi split system, each indoor unit will have its own pair of piping
so 1 outdoor unit which has 4 indoor units will have 4 pairs of piping connection at the outdoor unit
the other system you mentioned sounds more like VRF - Variable Refrigerant Flow, this has one pair of piping per system, then will just branch to every indoor unit

hopefully consumers will start to appreciate this more
installation cost is still lower here than in Singapore and Thailand
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before Malaysians start to move forward with individual sleeved, they need to learn to separate copper pipe with wires 1st.
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post Dec 31 2017, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(halcyon27 @ Dec 31 2017, 10:33 AM)
Not all AC installers do that at least not those I use. Doesn't make sense also.
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i can say majority installers do that in Malaysia since day 1. maybe 85% installers do that for home use. why? it's the fastest & easiest way to wrap everything and pull in 1 go. the hole required also smaller and they save the pvc pipe for wires.

but that was when pipe run was just behind the wall. for longer runs in modern houses it may be a problem.
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normally what method installers use to install both Indoor & Outdoor unit to the wall?

do they use wall plugs or just straight screw the screws into the wall?

if they use wall plugs, normally they use plastic or metal plugs? are plastic plugs even enough to hold the weight without cracking?
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QUOTE(toonny @ Dec 31 2017, 09:36 PM)
Most of the car now the doors could open almost 90 degree wide. And 1HP compressor is quite small in size.
Nope bro. Hopefully it will be good to me. Lol.. just make sure to remind myself on service accordingly and do the simple easy maintenance to keep it clean on the filters.
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can normal sedan with folding seat fit 1.5hp AC?

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