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Love this quote!

The Hermeneutic Of The Divine Economy

Underlying this mode of exegesis is the belief that,



In other words,



The reader's job is to assemble verses and make sense of them within a broader context. What we determine for our context or frame of reference helps determine what the text means. In this way, interpretation guides reading. Philip asked the Ethiopian eunuch, “Do you really know the things that you are reading?” He answered, “How could I unless someone guides me?” (Acts 8:30-31). Philip’s reading of the Hebrew Scriptures was guided by his Christian faith which saw “Jesus as the gospel” in Isaiah 53.

The broadest and truest context of the Bible is the divine economy. This is the the best hermeneutic to apply to the Bible, even better than law/gospel, the covenants, or the dispensations, because what God does is not as intrinsic as what God is. God’s economy is the governing principle guiding the apostle’s teaching in the Bible (1 Tim. 1:3-4). The divine economy is God’s plan to dispense Christ as life into His chosen people to produce the church as the Body of Christ.

May all of us experience a new beginning with Christ! (John 1:1)

No idea either. Is she refering to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphians?

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This post has been edited by pehkay: Jan 7 2016, 11:16 AM

Ah ... they don't believe in the Trinity. Sad.

Is there such a group here in Malaysia?

Hey hambaallah,

Firstly, the archaic meaning for usury is "a high amount of interest, an unconscionable or exorbitant rate or amount of interest". So, there is an important distinction as some translations places "interest" in the place of "usury" which can be confusing and misleading.

Then, your question, is there a stand on it? I will put it this way:

Most Christians (including me in the past) and especially non-Christian tends to approach the Bible in a natural and religious way. They expected the text to tell them whether a thing is right to do or not. They are concerned with these questions most of the time while missing the "bigger" picture.

Rather, behind the text is a window to the Author, the Person, His intention, His heart, His desire, His purpose and plan with regards to man.

For example:



All these ordinances are filled with sweetness. The spirit behind it is tender and touching, full of care for strangers, widows, orphans, and the poor. Exodus 23:9 says concerning strangers, “Also thou shalt not oppress a stranger: for ye know the heart of a stranger, seeing ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.” If I had been a stranger among the children of Israel, I would have been deeply touched by such an ordinance. I may have wept out of the sense of sweetness and tenderness pervading God's law. A stranger may have said, “Even though I am far from my native land and am a stranger among these people, there is even an ordinance which cares for me. How sweet!”

Again this is happening in Ancient Near East where human lives don't meant much especially those in these categories: widows, orphans, poor and strangers.

Another example:

Nehemiah, ordered by the king of Persia, went back to Jerusalem to govern the people of Israel, and he encouraged the returned ones to continue and to complete the rebuilding of the walls of Jerusalem, that they may no longer be a reproach.

Because the nobles and the rulers of Israel exacted usury from the people, the people were poverty-stricken and there was a great cry among them. So Nehemiah rebuked the nobles and the rulers, urging them to redeem their brothers and stop the usury (Neh. 5:1-11).

Not only did Nehemiah demand that they stop charging interest, but also that he give back their collateral--and with no mention of being repaid. The people's response is (verse 12) "And we will not demand anything more from them." This also seems to indicate that they did not demand repayment of their loans.

I hope it is apparent that this is not the intention of the story, but rather the intention is not to take advantage of people in need. It is not the act.


The final example I am going to use is Luke 19:

In Luke 19 there is another story of the Lord’s contact with a great sinner, Zaccheus, who was an evil chief tax collector (v. 2). He extorted the people by putting an excessive value on property or income, or increasing the tax of those unable to pay, and would then practice usury. The Lord paid a visit to his city purposely to meet him. Right after he received the Lord, he said to Him, “Behold, the half of my possessions, Lord, I give to the poor, and if I have taken anything from anyone by false accusation, I restore four times as much” (v. 8).

This is the fast issue of the Lord’s dynamic salvation. So the Lord said, “Today salvation has come to this house” (v. 9). This salvation was to save one of God’s chosen people who fell into sin to such an extent that he extorted his own people by being a tax collector of the Roman imperialism, showing the powerful, dynamic, salvation, a salvation with an endless power.


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Sorry, lest, I am being long-winded with these examples, my goal is to show it is never a matter of right or wrong, do this or that but rather the inward condition of man meeting God's inward being in His salvation.

So, we don't ask questions like it is right or not to lend with interest (and it is not usury! ). Rather, have we met the wonderful God in our being and experienced His salvation? Have we experienced His love, His life, His righteousness etc. to transform us?

Once, we meet God, definitely, the outcome and fruit will be, we will NOT mistreat those in need spontaneously. So, to us, it is a living vital relationship rather then dead following a stance. So, we don't tell people that usury is right or wrong, but rather, "have you meet this wonderful God"?

Hope that helps.

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jan 8 2016, 09:08 AM

You meant a continualist ....

I think Nismo didn't mentioned that the mormon "Bible" tends to be drastically different from the Bible itself.

oo;; Not sure why did you posted from the forum conversation but it seems that Kan misunderstood the word, "continuationism".

This post has been edited by pehkay: Jan 21 2016, 10:39 AM

Morning bro!

I did not quote de1929's post before.

Duh . I have no such desire to. It is your conversation with him. I am just curious why the post here? What is it that you want to show us?

There are sites that mirrors / crawls / indexes forums for their own purposes.

For example our thread is also found: http://boardreader.com/s/LYN%20Christian%2...ship%20V10.html

How is this a miracle?

The peril of Malaysian foodies.

THE TWO ASPECTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

The Essential Aspect for Life

The Spirit has two aspects - the essential and the economical aspects. Essential means relating to the essence, necessary to the constitution and existence, hence, of life and being. The essential aspect is that the Spirit would come into us, bringing us the divine essence to be our life and life supply. By this aspect we may live and have our being in God to express God. Man was made by God to have God’s life and to express God. This aspect of the Spirit fulfills that intention.

The Economical Aspect for Power

Economical means pertaining to the economy, necessary to the out-working of God’s household administration, hence, of power and work. The economical aspect is that the Spirit would clothe us with power so that we do God’s work of preaching the gospel, shepherding the young ones, perfecting the saints, and building up the church. Man was redeemed and regenerated to become partners of Christ in building up His church according to God’s economy. This aspect of the Spirit fulfills that requirement.

THE INWARD FILLING OF THE SPIRIT FOR LIFE

In John 14:16-17 Jesus said, “And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter…even the Spirit of reality…shall be in you.’’ In John 16:7, He said further, “If I go I will send Him (the Comforter) to you.’’ Before the Lord’s death, He promised the troubled disciples that He needed to go to the cross in order for the Spirit of reality to be sent. The Spirit of reality was to be in the disciples to bring to them all the divine realities of the Father and the Son. This was fulfilled on the day of resurrection according to John 20:19-22, “When therefore it was evening on that day, the first day of the week…Jesus came and stood in the midst…He breathed into them and said to them, Receive the Holy Spirit.’’ By the breathing in, the disciples received the Spirit of reality into them for life and life supply, since the Spirit is also the life-giving Spirit.

In Acts, the disciples continued to experience the inward filling. Acts 13:52 says, “And the disciples were made full of joy and of the Holy Spirit.’’ The Greek word used here is pleroo meaning filling inwardly to fullness. With the inward filling, we have joy as one of the fruits of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22-23).

THE OUTWARD FILLING OF THE SPIRIT FOR POWER

In Luke 24:49 the Lord Jesus said, “I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you…until you are clothed with power from on high.’’ In Acts 1:4-8 He also said, “Wait for the promise of the Father…you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you.’’ He talked about the promised Spirit of power after His resurrection, before His ascension. Although the disciples had already received the Holy Spirit to be their life and life supply, they still needed the power of the Holy Spirit to work for God. In order to preach the gospel, they needed to bind the devil and loose the sinners, they needed boldness, and they needed various manifestations of gifts. Therefore, they must wait for the clothing of power by the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

This was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost according to Acts:2:1-4, “And when the day of Pentecost was being fulfilled…they were all filled with the Holy Spirit.’’ The Greek word used here for “filled’’ is pletho meaning filling outwardly. They were empowered by the outward filling. Right after that, they went out to preach the gospel with boldness and power. We all need this type of experience in our daily church life.

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