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de1929
post Jul 28 2015, 06:08 AM

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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 27 2015, 11:03 PM)
lets not get ahead of urself. the topic of the day is about whether or not we can still get saved after our death and departure from this world.
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I know, but i am addressing the root, whichis poverty.

QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 27 2015, 11:03 PM)
we weren't even discussing about prosperity gospel or wateva. Why are u deflecting?

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the above explains.

QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 27 2015, 11:03 PM)
u seem to quote the Bible out of context.

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context is not the king. Holy Spirit is. Once you abide with context, then miracles nullified.
Petition is petition. Apply for something, let the authority decides.

QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 27 2015, 11:03 PM)
Here, i'll just keep it short wif 1 verse :

“And as it is appointed for men to DIE ONCE, but after this the judgment …” - Hebrew 9:27

Even your understanding of basic biblical doctrine is wrong & u wan to touch on other subjects?  doh.gif
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the poverty mindset leads to poverty gospel, and poverty gospel produce poverty mindset. sorry to say:
if you are friend to the judge .... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif you know the outcome right ?

I am a friend of GOD. Friend = "it is negotiable"... i believe you know Abraham negotiate about sodom n gomorah. For english sake, i use word petition instead of negotiation for luffy's father case.

James 2:23

(JAS 2:23) AND THE SCRIPTURE WAS FULFILLED WHICH SAITH, ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS IMPUTED UNTO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS: AND HE WAS CALLED THE FRIEND OF GOD.

John 15:!5
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I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.

QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 27 2015, 11:03 PM)
Even your understanding of basic biblical doctrine is wrong & u wan to touch on other subjects?  doh.gif
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1. doctrine leads to death. remember fruit of knowledge goods and evil ?
2. you ignored the fact we are friend of GOD, and act like a servant. It's your right to be a servant. But for luffy's father issues, my approach to throne of grace is by faith and GOD's grace, and my identity as friend of GOD.

Thanks for bring this up. I know you are a friend of GOD too thumbup.gif ...




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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 27 2015, 11:03 PM)
lets not get ahead of urself. the topic of the day is about whether or not we can still get saved after our death and departure from this world.

we weren't even discussing about prosperity gospel or wateva. Why are u deflecting?

u seem to quote the Bible out of context. do u even understand what 'petition' means?

Here, i'll just keep it short wif 1 verse :

“And as it is appointed for men to DIE ONCE, but after this the judgment …” - Hebrew 9:27

Even your understanding of basic biblical doctrine is wrong & u wan to touch on other subjects?  doh.gif
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this is the summary, as my replies earlier is probably too much details

If we are friend to the judge.... then you know the outcome right ? relationship rules bro thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 28 2015, 05:45 PM)
Yeah, u can tell it to this guy : de1929

wreaking havoc all over the place. i'll have to stop feeding the troll frm now on.
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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 28 2015, 07:29 PM)
Internet trolls everywhere.

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instead of disrespecting man of GOD and bring curse to your self ?

why don't you pray and fast so anything that's not from heavenly father will be removed ?

don't tell me you don't believe in power of prayer

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post Jul 29 2015, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(onomatopoeia @ Jul 29 2015, 09:39 AM)
Well, there is power in prayer but I am sure they are certain extent because we are limited, but our God is limitless. Let me ask you a few questions:

1. Can I pray once that Holy spirit will pray on behalf of us, so that we don't have to pray anymore?
2. Since pastor is praying for us why do we still have to pray?
3. Since God knows everything, why do we have to pray?

If we start to exercise our logic, instead of faith and truth, in the end we can form our own beliefs. I am not saying who is right and wrong, and whether we pray for the death that he will receive salvation is impossible, because I am not God. No one knows whether those are saved will go to Heaven anyways. Through salvation and belief in Jesus, how sure we are we will have eternal life?

In summary, God wants everyone to be saved too.

1 Timothy 2:3-4
This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.

The keyword is "The truth", which I believe is referring to the bible.
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the bible say clearly old wine and new wine cannot be mixed.

if you are from traditional church, you can't understand my teachings, and my answers are considered trolling (proven already above).

who am i ? take a look at my signature.
next question ? who are you ? are you pentecostal ?

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post Jul 29 2015, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(onomatopoeia @ Jul 29 2015, 01:53 PM)
Yes. The Gospel and the law shouldn't be mixed because we are saved by grace through faith and not under the law anymore. I'm from Planetshakers church, affiliated with the Assemblies of God and yes, its a Pentecostal church.

I didn't realize you were teaching, if you are teaching that's good because I am sure you can answer the questions I raised. Why do we still need to pray since God knows everything.
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finally i can get a relieved little bit lol...

I am not a teacher nor fulltimer smile.gif. But i use GOD's grace a lot especially in business, when grey areas are real. Things like preacher say always no, no and don't want to hear, makes me have to ask HS (holy spirit) myself to resolve day to day issues.

At the end i learned a lot thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(2malaysia @ Jul 29 2015, 01:44 PM)
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which she hinted something big going to happened on 27th July 2015. Guess with
the date just past 2 days ago and there is no financial crisis and end of the world.

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As Buddhist I always find...

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that's because the church intercede.

Things that even the most christian does not understand, so i don't expecct budhist to understand either biggrin.gif

e.g.

if church hears something bad will happen next month, we intercede that GOD will intervene to turn into good.
if church hears something good will happen next month, we intercede to break devil's plan, so GOD's plan will prosper.

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post Jul 31 2015, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Jul 31 2015, 04:28 PM)
Sorry to interrupt your debate with a prayer request.

This time it's for me.
I've had issues for a while, but I didn't want to trouble anyone. Pride, that I can take care of it myself I guess.

But I had a very disturbing nightmare. Asking for details is difficult since nightmares tend to get pretty vague once you wake up.

It has something to do with my personal feelings. My lack of value.
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let's address 1 by 1, start with pride.

If GOD told you: "You are good, I am proud of you sophiera, enough with asking ppl help". Then it's an encouragement. GOD knows you are strong.

If (whoever not GOD usually devil) told you: "You are good, I am proud of you sophiera, enough with asking ppl help". Then it's a pride. Devil knows you have insecurity so devil manipulates you.

same english, different speaker.

My question, who tell you you are prideful ?
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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Jul 31 2015, 07:18 PM)
Hello.....she didn't say she's having problems with pride la! She's been having very bad nightmares la! aiyo!  That's the main issue!

Stop stirring confusion every time u post pls!  vmad.gif  mad.gif

No wonder you always interpret the Bible out of context when your English comprehension is so poor   doh.gif  doh.gif

Did u go to school or not back in Indonesia, whn u were a boy?  laugh.gif
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perhaps you are a blind person.. did i wrote 1-by-1 ?

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post Aug 1 2015, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(tinarhian @ Jul 31 2015, 11:42 PM)
Mungkin bapa de1929 sekolahnya sampai tadika.  brows.gif

Bapa de1929 jangan marah ya.

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not marah, only angry lol
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QUOTE(Sophiera @ Aug 1 2015, 05:57 PM)
If I can't be healed without ridding all the inner resentment, then the inner resentment needs to go first. Or so I'm told.

Right?
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that why i told you 1-by-1 biggrin.gif
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post Aug 1 2015, 07:30 PM

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Questions for bible scholars biggrin.gif

I have been advised to stay away from NIV because it deleted some bible verses.

GOD told me to humbly myself and ask scholar in this forum such as pehkay / uw / somebody else who has more biblical expository experiences.

so kindly extend your help and many thanks biggrin.gif, here is below one of the bible verses that NIV removed.

http://www.sound-doctrine.net/VersesDeletedFromNIV.htm

again thanks and be blessed biggrin.gif

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post Aug 2 2015, 05:46 PM

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QUOTE(pehkay @ Aug 2 2015, 07:32 AM)
You do realize that it is one of those KJV versus all other translations website. biggrin.gif

The quickest response is here: http://www.gotquestions.org/missing-verses.html

Most older ones have the verses but have footnotes telling us whether it is present in other manuscript etc. etc. I personally like those versions than NIV. But that is just my IMO.

Contrary to what some in the KJV-only camp would have you believe, the NIV translators are not trying to lead you into the lake of fire by deceiving you with false translations. Many of the so-called "missing verses" are referenced in the side-column of your NIV Bible. The only reason they were left out is that the translators of the NIV honestly believed that the evidence was overwhelmingly against those verses being part of the original writing.

(I don't have time to get into the long version of textual criticism tongue.gif) but at least believe me that divine revelation revealed in the text (even though there is 5%-7% variants) is 100% intact.

Just please don't ever try to use this thing as a Christ versus text/context/His Word excuse .... it will be a joke later tongue.gif

Cheers!

P.S. (Don't get me started on some of the wrong translations introduced by KJV which perpetuate some existing wrong doctrines today)
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Thanks a lot !... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

i limit this discussion only for missing verses, not to broaden it with Christ vs text/context/His Word excuse. thumbup.gif

In regard to side-column things, i just realized it's there for NIV paper bible. But my NIV in android / ipad don't have hahaha... i don't want to discourage NIV users, i just simply express i just realized. That's all

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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Aug 4 2015, 08:36 AM)
Matthew 7:6
"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces."
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give him space to minister lahh... somebody need to do like what he did, like what i did...

Habakkuk 2:14
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For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.
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QUOTE(SpikeMarlene @ Aug 5 2015, 08:10 AM)
Yes I know what you are saying but why the Wiki article about Creflo Dollar is a laughing stock? Is the comment that it's about religion for money inaccurate? How so?
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Anybody wanna help ?
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My message is to enforce what 14-9-2015 posted, and using the momentum he created to enrich our christian walk.

However all knows that devil try to create dissension / resentment among us.... well, i believe GOD's always in control.

Here is John Hagee, one of my favorite preachers. I don't think he is labelled prosperity gospel preachers, but for sure he is israel oriented. Guaranteed israel oriented thumbup.gif


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Christ and negative thinking

One of the forumer here (not really "here" but few versions back) try to convinced me that CHRIST is a negative GOD because he suffers to us and bear pain of this world.

Here joel osteen said in minutes 15:00 (and few minutes later) about why we should not keep that thought it our mind. it's belittle us.




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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Aug 7 2015, 10:49 AM)
Don't make a mockery of Christ's sacrifice on the cross. u are going in a very dangerous direction de1929.

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Because of positive thinking, (aka love) CHRIST decide to sacrifice on the cross.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.



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QUOTE(kron_ka @ Aug 7 2015, 01:14 PM)
2 Timothy 4:8 - this is very inspiring word.

For a time I was struggling with my church, its strictness, its lack of empathy towards its members, its focus on serving but not loving one another and fellowship.

I almost joined New Creation Church, but when I found its doctrine to be like cutting corners, I was concern that the church was more focused on building another mega church rather than building and growing the maturity of believers.
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Their concern is to win soul and battling condemnation.

From "negative side"... more winning soul meanings more bigger church, big church that keep winning soul become mega church.

they may lack on education, may lack on teaching, may lack on doctrine, and may lack on anything you can mention... those lackings are resolved under: GOD's grace.
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QUOTE(De_Luffy @ Aug 7 2015, 01:28 PM)
Please pray for me, been coughing badly for past few days hoping to recover soon.

my mom legs is not really that good the joints are not like it used to be, doctor advised to take supplements and give rub meds as well as pain killer
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ok will pray for u, ur mom, n ur family.
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QUOTE(14-9-2015 @ Aug 8 2015, 05:59 AM)
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to debunk James 3:1 used by devil excessively, i have 1 peter 4:8

Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.

to strengthten message of love / loving driven message, i have the highest love endorsed by CHRIST which all the law summarized. got many bible verse, but Luke 10:27

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He answered, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'"

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don't afraid to make mistake. just walk by faith, if it goes wrong GOD is still in control thumbup.gif
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Why positive thinking important:

1. bible endorse it
Philippians 4:8New International Version (NIV)

8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

2. you need no 1 to established good imagination. Good imagination is part of faith, and faith is required to get your prayer answered

Mark 11:24
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Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

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My statement: For me to believe that i have received it, i have to imagine i have received it. e.g. i pray for a big house, i have to imagine i already have a big house.

My question 14-9-2015: With your doctrine, how to explain to your people about believe that you have receive it ?





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