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post Jun 16 2015, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 16 2015, 11:37 AM)
Problem is MRAP-style vehicles have a quite limited niche outside of protecting personnel against IEDs and ambushes. The high cost of maintenance and heavy weight doesn't make them that great in doing all round utility duties. Utility military vehicles like the Humvees and Land Rovers have a lot more to do in the battlefield that don't require it to be enveloped in 5 tons of armor plating; like ferrying supplies and light vehicle transport. These mundane jobs don't exactly need a 10-ton beast that will cost the same as 3-4 basic Humvees.
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U forgot to factor in crew confidence

Some former soldier even admit they rather be in those slow vehicles than in a hummer. The old higher cost is no longer an issue

The first mrap was a stop gap solution which does not really care about maintenance or operating cost
But as the vehicles matured, it soon become more economical to operate as the engine and parts are soon standardised. All those new vehicles that you listed some of the selling point is lower operating cost. Of course, it wont be lower than a hummer but at least lower compared to the 1st gen mrap

Any added protection goes a long way at least withstanding an rpg hit
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post Jun 16 2015, 09:34 PM

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we can consider this as well tongue.gif
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post Jun 18 2015, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(cunnilinguist @ Jun 18 2015, 04:00 AM)
It's Thailand-Malaysian Joint venture MRAP afaik.

We should get this for Esscom. That way we can release AIFV and AV-8 for purely conventional deployment
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Who join? Deftech?

Dont think so
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post Jun 19 2015, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 19 2015, 03:52 PM)
Soon it will be like we call for tender and on one will come and bid for it



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post Jun 20 2015, 01:45 AM

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Russian helicopter carrier in response to the failed Mistral deal

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we now can even get from russia blush.gif
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post Jun 20 2015, 02:05 AM

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Russian self-propelled anti-tank gun TEPS "Octopus SDM1."



who need heavy tanks now tongue.gif
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post Jun 20 2015, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 20 2015, 12:17 PM)
I just love the Soviet airborne troops. Unlike US paratroopers who only function as light infantry, Soviet-style paratroopers bring all of their armored toys in a drop mission. Soviet doctrine also calls for armored vehicle crews to be dropped inside their vehicles and rolling off to combat instantly upon touchdown, instead of being dropped separately and the crew taking time running around looking for their vehicle. laugh.gif
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I mean the turret is like a seperate module.

It can even be mount on our av8 because equipment is within the turret itself.
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post Jun 20 2015, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jun 20 2015, 01:41 PM)
Patria AMV can be fitted also with BMP-3 turret.

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Not to mention even, it even sold seperately as addon for ifv

As long as vehicle have the minimun requirements, then it can be fitted. You don't have to redesign a whole new system or in this case turret just to fit.

http://www.kurganmash.ru/en/turrets/turret%5Fbmp3u/
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post Jun 20 2015, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jun 20 2015, 04:12 PM)
I dun think it is unproven it was just a naming term.
perhaps sound more catching rather than using light frigates.
Let just put it as evolution of tech for light frigate toward speed, stealth design and smarter weapons system.
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Just that they are trying to fit destroyer or cruiser technology onto a ship half their size.

The best part they are doing it right now.
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post Jun 20 2015, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(ks1230 @ Jun 20 2015, 08:17 PM)
so I assume that is a good thing since the procurement can be more flexible now..ATM wont be tie down with the budget from RMK for 5 years..
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No it not something like the armed forces will get a separate budget from RMK

It still under the same budget. In example, they are allocated this certain amount and now they have more flexibility on how to spend it and on what procurement

we are not that rich to get a separate budget from RMK specially for defence spending


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post Jun 20 2015, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(ks1230 @ Jun 20 2015, 10:16 PM)
yeah..that is what i mean..maybe i put it wrongly..what I mean is that they can procure what they need and not what the RMK had decided for the next 5 years..  biggrin.gif  thumbup.gif
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true but no entirely true

the bean counter is still the Ministry of Finance.. that have the final say eventually to release the fund or not


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post Jun 23 2015, 10:34 PM

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A Glimpse Into Russia Newest Nuclear Submarine "Borei"

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post Jun 24 2015, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 24 2015, 10:53 PM)
BAe Hawk 208 more of a light fighter/bomber aircraft, a duty it shares with FA-18. Unlike F-5 which is a pure air superiority fighter.

In TUDM air superiority fighter duties all passed to MiG-29 and Su-30 already. So a replacement for a light air superiority fighter is redundant.
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the same as the US high low concepts

top end are the SU-30 Air to Air / F-18 Air to Ground

Hawk is the low end both for training and low intensity mission. Basically, buruh kasar of the air force

the MRCA intended fill in the middle of those two capable of air to air and air to ground. Not necessary to be very good at it. Same like how SU-30 is not limited to air to air nor is F-18 is limited to air to ground. They are only limited to their weapon choice. The Mig29 was used as interceptor most of the time

Hawk is still the buruh kasar laugh.gif
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post Jun 24 2015, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(hafizushi @ Jun 24 2015, 11:02 PM)
guys how much in term of percentage in gdp we spend yearly for military??
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Total come in 5 year plan.. No point in comparing gdp per spending
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post Jun 24 2015, 11:26 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jun 24 2015, 11:11 PM)
EC725 price also not cheap, last time we buy about usd 42 million each.
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that time still very new. now production ramp up by right should be cheaper

but exchange rate just does not stay the same

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jun 24 2015, 11:11 PM)
Probably also fighter with the lowest cost to operate in TUDM. biggrin.gif

Wonder why we never got more than 20 last time. AFAIK we only bought 18 Hawk 208 fighters & 4 Hawk 108 trainer planes , nowadays all probably only 13-14 left in service.
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They are a bargain to their bigger cousin. Losing one or two does not hit that much. Plus, there are plenty of good alternative in market if they need replacement like the YAK-130

QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jun 24 2015, 11:17 PM)
not only low cost, but mainly Hawk (like other traning jet) have higher Airframe/fuselage usage hours,  Hawk have 20,000 hrs, than extend to 30,000 hours.
F18 still have design 6000 hours, than can extend to 8000, maximum should be around 10,000 hrs.
so Hawk as buruh kasar is very true,
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f18 is already consider buruh kasar for US.. OUR standard and their is not the same

same like how the a10 is the pain in the ass for air force

anyway, boeing is offering upgraded a10 for sales. laugh.gif
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post Jun 24 2015, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Jun 24 2015, 11:24 PM)
CAN YOU PUT A SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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that still ok, the new isis execution video is more sickening

dead by rpg, dead by drowing and now even dead by det cord.. doh.gif
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post Jun 24 2015, 11:35 PM

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Egypt to receive FREMM frigate on 23 June

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France will hand over the FREMM (Frégate Européenne Multi-Missions) frigate Normandie (D651) to the Egyptian Navy on 23 June at the company's shipyard in Lorient, Western France.

The ship will retain its pennant number, although despite reports suggesting it will be re-named Al-Cairo , its new name is still to be revealed.

The ceremony will take place in the presence of Rear Admiral Osama Rabie, Chief of Staff of the Egyptian Navy, and Admiral Bernard Rogel, Chief of Staff of the French Navy.

The 5,200-tonne ship was scheduled to be the French Navy's second Aquitaine-class frigate, with delivery to the Organisation for Joint Armament Cooperation (OCCAR) on behalf of the French procurement directorate Direction Générale de l'Armement (DGA) originally planned for late 2014.

However the development of a government-to-government arrangement, that culminated in an agreement signed on 16 February 2015, saw the ship heading for Egypt instead.

The arrangement will see DCNS undertake outfitting work including translation of man-machine interfaces into Arabic, and the delivery of logistics support, spares, and maintenance services, as well as training activity alongside DCI-NAVFCO.

The ship will retain its original SYLVER A43 vertical launching system (VLS) (for Aster 15 missiles purchased by Egypt); the Sagem Vigy MM fire-control system; Thales' UMS 4110 CL and CAPTAS 4 sonar systems; the Nexter Systems NARWHAL 20B remote weapon stations; DCNS's Contralto-V anti-torpedo decoy launchers and Sagem's NGDS multiple decoy launchers; and launchers for MBDA Exocet MM 40 Block 3 anti-ship missiles and Eurotorp MU90 Impact lightweight torpedoes.

DCNS will, however, remove both its own SYLVER A70 VLS (that fires the MBDA Missile de Croisière Naval [MdCN] long-range land-attack cruise missile) and the Elettronica Radar-Electronic Counter Measures (R-ECM) system.

The frigate will sail for Egypt around 20 July, before taking part in Egypt's new Suez Canal inauguration ceremony on 6 August.


i didnt know it a hand me down ship laugh.gif
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post Jun 24 2015, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(AllahKhabar @ Jun 24 2015, 11:38 PM)
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Anybody can confirm whether this true?
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u register just for this?

There no even link to the said chinese forum
https://www.facebook.com/philippinesdefense

there two thing, one they would want to avoid direct confrontation.

LTZ sure can confirm that they are under strict order not to engage tongue.gif

or second, it pinoy. Their make up story is godlike


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post Jun 25 2015, 12:02 AM

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QUOTE(AllahKhabar @ Jun 24 2015, 11:54 PM)
I usually just read thru but i saw that post then feeling abit uncomfy must confirm with ltz
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I rather read the nonsense watchchinatimes articles that reading those pinoy defence blog tongue.gif

Claim so great but they actually lost an island to china while we still maintaining ours. Just that, we are under strict order not to engage or show aggression


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post Jun 25 2015, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jun 25 2015, 12:00 AM)
Just Pinoy forum, off course there writing want to increase incite angry to china.
if really turn on fire control radar, is normal to leave to avoided case become serious, just like japan case.
anyway pass 2-3 day don't see china major military forum got this kindly of report.
i very day visit china military forum few time a day.
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the comment there are even greater

call us traitors.. some evn say they are better warrior.. PFTff even their best ship is a former cutter.. a cutter not even a military hand me down ship laugh.gif

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