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waja2000
post Jul 1 2015, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Jul 1 2015, 11:31 AM)
^^^^^ It has started with renew calls from the Indonesian Parliament (DPR) for defense budget increase and modernization of TNI by buying new military hardware especially military transport aircraft.

Article in Indonesian.
http://www.gatra.com/nusantara-1/nasional-...diperbarui.html
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agree on this, many country mindef not take seriously.

" sudah menjadi harga mati untuk memodernisasi alutsista TNI "

same to Nuri helicopter, how many crash only get EC725,
also our C130, Nuri, RMN gun boat, 40+ year plus still use, and have many incident.

just like IT people said, take rosak take baru. than pay for "harga mati" .

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post Jul 1 2015, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Jul 1 2015, 10:52 AM)
What about malaysian Herc?

what model? baru lagi or about to retire too?
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RMAF using C-130H getting in 1976-1980 15 unit... also get 5 unit C130H-30 at 1995.
about 40 year using already.
now getting 4 unit airbus A400M to replace it, but still no enough, need 4 more.
last time news said our C-130H will fly until 2022... C130H-30 at lease until 2030.

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post Jul 1 2015, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(IReallyNeed Answers @ Jul 1 2015, 02:08 PM)
but how long are this air frame rated for?

i mean if it's build to fly for 40-50years, then ok la,

see see air frame only can last 5,000 hours, then we are a flying catastrophes
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fly more than 40 year old plane, also give Psychological pressure to pilot and passenger。 just like drive 40 year old car. and much high risk than old car.
also our weather hot and high humility, maritime area corrosion is high.


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/sys.../c-130-mods.htm

Service Life
Although service life computations have not been used to determine grounding or airframe restrictions, the Air Force has used service life estimates as a planning tool to anticipate when major aircraft structural events can be expected. A key issue was the structural service life of the C-130 airframes, which was dependent on mission severity, fatigue, and corrosion factors.

A severity factor accounted for the difference between normal civilian flying and military flying (low level, short-field landings, etc.). Mission profile determined the severity factor, which was averaged over each aircraft's most recent two year history. This calculation translated airframe clock hours into equivalent airframe damage hours which would indicate the higher aging rate of the military airframes. On average, active C-130 aircraft were found to be flying approximately 600 hours per year, while ARC C-130E and C-130H aircraft were flying about 375 hours and 450 hours per year, respectively.

The critical fatigue component for the C-130 fleet is the center wing box, which is structurally more susceptible to the stresses of mission profile and payload. The center wing box has a limit of 60,000 relative baseline hours (flight hours multiplied by the mission severity factor). A corrosion limit of 40,000 flight hours was based on historical data and engineering judgment. This data took into account corrosion factors not considered in airframe fatigue analysis. Actual airframe service life depends on which limit, fatigue or corrosion, is reached first. For instance, the service-life of the HC-130N/P was based upon the aircraft's wing box and operations tempo. Based on the current operations tempo, the fleet will begin to lose airworthiness in 2013.

The average age of the active duty C-130 fleet as of 2000 is over 25 years old, while the average age of Guard and Reserve C-130s is 15 years old. The average age of the C-130E model is over 28 years and average flying time is approximately 19,800 hours, with the newest E-model being produced in 1972. Based on projected operations tempo and overall mission severity, C-130E aircraft were said to have an average remaining service life of 15 years. Material solutions such as selective repair, a service life extension program (SLEP), or procurement of new aircraft were some of several ways investigated to influence and resolve aging of the C-130 fleet.

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post Jul 2 2015, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(BorneoAlliance @ Jul 2 2015, 10:06 AM)
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200m also can escape ah .....
ini polis boat useless or can't chase ?
seems many time also escape ... boat not good enough hmm.gif

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post Jul 2 2015, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(alaskanbunny @ Jul 2 2015, 10:31 AM)
to be fair to them... from the article probably the police was on land.. hard to get a boat in time and 200m is damn hard to shoot at night...
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than make sense ....
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post Jul 2 2015, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 2 2015, 11:58 AM)
PGA small patrol boat usually very basic
Mana kejar, bahaya kejar dalam gelap!
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than need improve patrol boat capability..
i know....
from other view, they success cross border until pulau pompom undetected by our side means,
- our surveillance still not good enough
- no enough ship/sea base with radar to detect intruders boat?
- small ship lack of radar?
- small patrol ship not operation at night?
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post Jul 2 2015, 12:33 PM

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Fiery Cross Reef
As of June 28, 2015, China is expanding the construction of its island facilities on Fiery Cross Reef. The construction of a 3,000 meter airstrip is nearly complete. China continues to pave and mark the airstrip and an apron and taxiway have been added adjacent to the runway. Prior photos showed that a small lake existed in the middle of the island; this has since been filled in. Personnel are now visible walking around the island.A sensor array has also been constructed and additional support facilities are being built. Meanwhile, a naval vessel is moored in the port. The size of the island is estimated at 2,740,000 square meters. The island has a partially-developed port with nine temporary loading piers. The harbor area is approximately 630,000 square meters. Two helipads, up to 10 satellite communications antennas, and one possible radar tower are also visible. Also visible are two lighthouses and one cement plant.

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post Jul 2 2015, 01:55 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 2 2015, 12:48 PM)
1 . it's  a large area with atoll and small island where its very complicated to navigate let alone in the dark
2. Small fast boats are harder to track even with coastal radar
3. The pga patrol boat is a small team patrol that have no radar that is used to patrol in shallow waters area.
4. Ships with radar are usually at the deeper water
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well radar not only scan other ship, it also provide safety to boat, for ship not hit other boat or sea object.

1. Actually before pompom island between malaysia/Philippine border have clear sea line, there place is best place to detect before indruder cross to our small island. also already have some quantity patrol boat at that area, at nigh should enough provide 2-3 patrol with radar to scan the sea.

2. correct the boat is small, but means it undetected, it small still can detected with in 5-6km from small marine radar. not mention biger patrol boat can detech it around 10-15km。 also coastal radar too far from border sure hard to detect intruders small boat, unless we built outpost near border.

3. base on my view patrol boat photo at ESSCOM, i found some already have small marine radar, some only have GPS, like CB90 full with marine radar. so i can see small not issue, is our patrol boat should include with small marine radar.

4. Nowdays even RHIB, small patrol boat also have shot range radar and GPS use for patrol use. ship will run navigation radar 24h, it will scan sea surface, also to avoid other ship or object, only air surveillance radar will run/off base on requirement.

Furuno radar on top on some esscom patrol boat

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new boat for esscom also got radar

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post Jul 2 2015, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jul 2 2015, 02:00 PM)
Predator drone?
That require huge amount of investment on satellite facilities, command and control hq, drone facilities and so on.
That cost billion of dollars.
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Agree.
other drone like cheaper from china also can。
but it can do more simply one, means direct link to drone, but range limit to 80-250km depend drone model and antenna.
that range seem enough for esscom, if control hq set at pulau Bum-Bum。

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post Jul 2 2015, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jul 2 2015, 02:07 PM)
sometimes it is not as easy as you think.
The underlining problem is on the number of boat and asset is not enough to cover the entire ccoastline.
thus you have huge time lags on response times.
those terrorist will always test our security coverage and if they find loophole on security they will strike.
Given our limited assets we will be very disadvantaged to secure our coastline.
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we fully understand this and problem,
so we must forcus importance area first like semporna and sandakan than expend to all area。 it take time
what i means, we should more focus do protection at border area, bcos it open sea and not much island, much easy to do surveillance and scan. we just need just 2-3 outpost with coast radar than can cover 95% the area, than can reduce work load and crew。
for now seem intruder can cross in border, than depend our island protection。 that already too slow our response if they run back
it seem look like our defense strategic is not that efficiency or correct。

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post Jul 2 2015, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 2 2015, 02:23 PM)
A rhib is a boat that have a lot of equipment.
But the pga patrol boat that encounter last night is a much smaller boat what can carry about 4 to 6 officer
Agree.
For drone a normal MALE type. Of drone witb better sensor ig good enough for coastal patrol
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i see。
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post Jul 2 2015, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jul 2 2015, 02:16 PM)
I prefer we go for mpa with decent weapons.
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MPA much high cost,patrol time much shorter. need do surveillance over midnight just stress to crew. (assume intruder come at night)
for semporna area between border is 50x100km area, use drone much for efficient and low cost, just need 3x drone, fly 8 hrs night time everyday.
off couse still can use PMA if we can get it. but than MPA much suitable deply at bigger sea like SCS and Melaka street

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post Jul 2 2015, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jul 2 2015, 02:34 PM)
We did put emphasis on important areas like Semporna and other important place.
We still having not enough boat and ship.
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pass few day i still think and study how many boat and ship we need.
at the end, we need at lease 24 high tech ship and 48-64 high tech boat which can provide 24h all weater operation.
current boat too simple, hard to patrol at night also too hot at noon.
i still wonder why gov getting simple boat can't operate at nigh or rain time.
all cost need 1 billion usd.

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post Jul 2 2015, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 2 2015, 02:52 PM)
Tuu Saab sma E2D hehe
Agree, the Polis Marin ia very capable to operate this.
Before the downsize, it was the Polis Marin that curb illegal trespassers. They always have a ship out at the coast of Semporna 24 hours
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jul 2 2015, 02:55 PM)
Mmea patutnya under kdn and police marin should merge with mmea.
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polis marine still not merge with mmea ? i tot they already merge..

wee should merge all, later call Coast Guard Malaysia 。 become 2nd navy。
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post Jul 2 2015, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jul 2 2015, 03:33 PM)
With 400-500km operating range most likely the uav is based on satellite data links.
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correct, usually max ELOS is around 200-250 km due earth horizon issue.
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QUOTE(acam2812 @ Jul 2 2015, 04:29 PM)
interesting about amount of asset we have here for Navy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Malaysian_Navy

For bintulu, where do there built it? which part of bintulu?
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Bintulu is new one call Markas Wilayah Laut 4 should be ready at 2018...
but than seem already delay.. need ask LTZ

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post Jul 2 2015, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(ks1230 @ Jul 2 2015, 09:21 PM)
in regards to bases..is the mobile sea base operational already?seem like there are no news about it already..
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need ask ltz...
so far 1 ship already handover to tldm
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QUOTE(azriel @ Jul 3 2015, 10:11 AM)
Indonesia planned to buy C17 or A400 transport aircraft in the 2nd MEF 2015 - 2019 to replace the Hercules. Apparently this was planned well before the Hercules accident in Medan.

Article in Indonesian.
http://www.beritasatu.com/nasional/287812-...i-hercules.html
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basically no hope for C17 bcos left last 1 unit in Boeing (closing down production line end this year) ..... if they bought with in 1-2 month possible still can get, but than bough 1 unit not justify to setup maintenance team.

some people suggest MAS-IND-SG-Thi getting A400M to replace C130, than Airbus can setup regional MRO/Parts center for A400M in Asean.

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 3 2015, 03:42 PM)
Kesian, RMN buy Kedah-class quite expensive but a bit underwhelming. Like buying a good car, but with no radio, no aircond and no backseat. For now the Kedah-class can only function as oversized patrol vessels with limited capability.

Also installing missile systems onto the OPVs will instantly boost the RMN's firepower. It's almost like buying 6 brand-new missile corvettes.  thumbup.gif
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well kedah class not oversized patrol vessels, other country patrol vessels have much-much bigger size.
went it install weapon, it will become corvettes.
went it plan upgrade to 4 ASW and 2 ASuW not difficult,
just install
1) RIM116 defense SAM 1x unit
2) Install Anti-Ship Missile,Both NSM and Exocet than it already have anti-surface capability. 4 unit each ship
4) Kedah class already have L-3 hull sonar, just need install VDS tower sonar at rear, like L-3 VDS-100 tower sonar。

item 1&2 estimated cost usd 50 million each ship
item 3 need extra usd 20 million each ship

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post Jul 4 2015, 12:25 AM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 3 2015, 05:00 AM)
different doctrine, protocol and approach
Polis Marin much more closer to the coastline

not ne mention that more intrusion in lahad datu after APMM take over the patrol from PM
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Agree combine will give more efficient, same man power, operation, maintenance and budget. it still under KDN.
is more trend coast guard taken all maritime security, went it all together doctrine, protocol and approach can be adjust suite on it, just like other country.
but than depend our leader have capability to do it or not.

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