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nezumitaro	Nov 10 2006, 09:32 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #341
Taro: I am the KING, all GERBILS are MINE!! Senior Member 4,711 posts Joined: Mar 2006	QUOTE(lilac @ Nov 10 2006, 09:29 AM) WAAAA!!! SP SP SP SP !!!!! LOL son't expect nice like ur pied, hahahah they wouldn't..
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lilac	Nov 10 2006, 09:34 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #342
Casual Junior Member 376 posts Joined: Aug 2006	I want to breed my pied when its bigger too lol... but gotta plan what to breed with her first lol cuz i'm not very sure about the colors still... What would you guys recomend to be her mate ? :S She still does not get along well with the other girls... when i place her one on one with another gerbil, she would tend to brawl with the, she starts the fight. Then when i place her with a group of female gerbils, she runs and hide. =s What should i do This post has been edited by lilac: Nov 10 2006, 09:37 AM
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jaswwp	Nov 10 2006, 09:45 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #343
Life is but a dream ~ Senior Member 3,782 posts Joined: Dec 2005 From: Cheras	Breed her with a dove lo... if you are lucky then she would have the red eyed gene, then can get more colors of babies. If she doesnt have then you will get agoutis, or agouti and blacks.
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lilac	Nov 10 2006, 09:47 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #344
Casual Junior Member 376 posts Joined: Aug 2006	That was what i was afraid of. But if i do get SP agouti and SP Black, i wont mind haha. but i still cant get her to get use to her friends :S. Shes very calm on my hand, maybe she likes the warmth in my hand and stays there and even sleep there. But ... when i place her back in her tank .. she runs and hide straight away :S. Too human attached? LOL
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jaswwp	Nov 10 2006, 09:52 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #345
Life is but a dream ~ Senior Member 3,782 posts Joined: Dec 2005 From: Cheras	SP will usually come out on 50% of babies. But it varies, can be 25% or 75% at times. I had a problem with introducing Pixie to my gerbils when I got her, she fights with them. Thats one of the reasons I bred her, she gets along well with her daugthers now. This post has been edited by jaswwp: Nov 10 2006, 09:53 AM
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nezumitaro	Nov 10 2006, 09:58 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #346
Taro: I am the KING, all GERBILS are MINE!! Senior Member 4,711 posts Joined: Mar 2006	QUOTE(lilac @ Nov 10 2006, 09:34 AM) I want to breed my pied when its bigger too lol... but gotta plan what to breed with her first lol cuz i'm not very sure about the colors still... What would you guys recomend to be her mate ? :S She still does not get along well with the other girls... when i place her one on one with another gerbil, she would tend to brawl with the, she starts the fight. Then when i place her with a group of female gerbils, she runs and hide. =s What should i do better intro them in a nutral place b4 u throw her in their tank, intro in nutral, clean n wash ur tank n toys, put new bedding new hay, no toy, if all of them ok outside about 30 mins, then place them in the tank, keep an eye on them, toy only in after 3 - 4 days later.
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nezumitaro	Nov 10 2006, 10:03 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #347
Taro: I am the KING, all GERBILS are MINE!! Senior Member 4,711 posts Joined: Mar 2006	QUOTE(lilac @ Nov 10 2006, 09:47 AM) That was what i was afraid of. But if i do get SP agouti and SP Black, i wont mind haha. but i still cant get her to get use to her friends :S. Shes very calm on my hand, maybe she likes the warmth in my hand and stays there and even sleep there. But ... when i place her back in her tank .. she runs and hide straight away :S. Too human attached? LOL ur agouti will be A- C- DD E- G- P-, so go n check out the gene u hv on ur hand, its time to do home work maybe u tell us, what u think u can put her with, n what color u expect? we teach u how to fish, not giving u free fish
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hao	Nov 10 2006, 10:09 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #348
Quills™ Senior Member 5,469 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: PJ	Foo, about the genes, i'm quite interested. Where can i read them up? hehe
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jaswwp	Nov 10 2006, 10:13 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #349
Life is but a dream ~ Senior Member 3,782 posts Joined: Dec 2005 From: Cheras	Just google on gerbil genetics, a lot of info online
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hao	Nov 10 2006, 10:15 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #350
Quills™ Senior Member 5,469 posts Joined: Jan 2003 From: PJ	QUOTE(jaswwp @ Nov 10 2006, 10:13 AM) Just google on gerbil genetics, a lot of info online Thanks a lot. Will read it since i quite free these few days
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TScrazymouse_yyh	Nov 10 2006, 10:24 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #351
www.suggiesathome .wordpress.com Elite 12,047 posts Joined: Nov 2005 From: Setapak	Wah.... me waiting for REW heheheh.... I want to make more sp Dove since Silver is really nice and big size... aiyoh, no female gerbil for him to mate with now lah...
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emino	Nov 10 2006, 10:26 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #352
IG - riezforester Senior Member 5,967 posts Joined: Oct 2004 From: Malaysia... Duh!	Huhu~ My modem got broken is the lightning storm a few days ago. Now have to wait for weeks before I can get a new one.
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nezumitaro	Nov 10 2006, 10:33 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #353
Taro: I am the KING, all GERBILS are MINE!! Senior Member 4,711 posts Joined: Mar 2006	QUOTE(hao @ Nov 10 2006, 10:09 AM) Foo, about the genes, i'm quite interested. Where can i read them up? hehe here some.. trying to found the good site... http://www.gerbilbreeding.com/gene.htm http://home.wtal.de/ehr/gerbils/colors.htm http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/6961/index.html
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lilac	Nov 10 2006, 11:38 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #354
Casual Junior Member 376 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(nezumitaro @ Nov 10 2006, 09:58 AM) better intro them in a nutral place b4 u throw her in their tank, intro in nutral, clean n wash ur tank n toys, put new bedding new hay, no toy, if all of them ok outside about 30 mins, then place them in the tank, keep an eye on them, toy only in after 3 - 4 days later. The place i intro them one on one was a neutral place =s. Only without the hay LOL. Will test it out later... maybe i should tempt her with some leng zhais also LOL Maybe he reaction may be diffrent. LOL QUOTE(nezumitaro @ Nov 10 2006, 10:03 AM) ur agouti will be A- C- DD E- G- P-, so go n check out the gene u hv on ur hand, its time to do home work maybe u tell us, what u think u can put her with, n what color u expect? we teach u how to fish, not giving u free fish LOL... I've been reading quite alot of genetic lately but i dont get how do you +/- the genes? I've also downloaded the Gerbcal to check what + what = what LOL but what does "undefined gene"s mean? anyone using it? LOL Must learn Must learn !! LOL QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Nov 10 2006, 10:24 AM) Wah.... me waiting for REW heheheh.... I want to make more sp Dove since Silver is really nice and big size... aiyoh, no female gerbil for him to mate with now lah... lol. What do you want to breed him with? another SP or plain dove? lol
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nezumitaro	Nov 10 2006, 11:45 AM Show posts by this member only \| Post #355
Taro: I am the KING, all GERBILS are MINE!! Senior Member 4,711 posts Joined: Mar 2006	QUOTE(lilac @ Nov 10 2006, 11:38 AM) The place i intro them one on one was a neutral place =s. Only without the hay LOL. Will test it out later... maybe i should tempt her with some leng zhais also LOL Maybe he reaction may be diffrent. LOL LOL... I've been reading quite alot of genetic lately but i dont get how do you +/- the genes? I've also downloaded the Gerbcal to check what + what = what LOL but what does "undefined gene"s mean? anyone using it? LOL Must learn Must learn !! LOL lol. What do you want to breed him with? another SP or plain dove? lol + / - gene? i don't use the gerbilcal software.. hehe.. undefined is it those hidden gene? wat u put in n u get this?
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lilac	Nov 10 2006, 12:28 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #356
Casual Junior Member 376 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(nezumitaro @ Nov 10 2006, 11:45 AM) + / - gene? i don't use the gerbilcal software.. hehe.. undefined is it those hidden gene? wat u put in n u get this? Its a program which.. err LOL you put in the genes / color and they will calculate how many percent of what color you will get. Example Results - » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Gerbil Genetics Calculator Version 2.2 Copyright 1998 by Joerg Eberbeck URL: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Peaks/8478/gbcalc.htm E-Mail: nc-eberbejo@netcologne.de (may change) //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /// Parents: //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// __ ________ ________ __ __ __________ A- C- E- G- P- Spsp[+] Golden Agouti, spotted aa CC E- G- pp sp[+]sp[+] Lilac One of the parents is spotted: 1/2 of the offspring are spotted. //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /// Probabilities at the different loci: //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ___A___ ______C______ ______E______ ___G___ ___P___ _______S_______ 0.50 Aa 0.50 CC 0.25 EE 0.25 GG 0.50 Pp 0.50 Spsp[+] 0.50 -a 0.50 C- 0.50 E- 0.50 G- 0.50 -p 0.50 sp[+]sp[+] 0.25 -- 0.25 -- //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /// Probabilities of the 2 colour(s): //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// __ ________ ________ __ __ 0.8594 -a C- -- -- -p undefined colour 0.1406 Aa C- E- G- Pp Golden Agouti //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// /// Distribution of 72 gene combinations over the colours: //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 0.0078 Aa CC EE GG -p 0.0156 Aa CC EE G- -p 0.0078 Aa CC EE -- Pp 0.0078 Aa CC EE -- -p 0.0156 Aa CC E- GG -p 0.0313 Aa CC E- G- -p 0.0156 Aa CC E- -- Pp 0.0156 Aa CC E- -- -p 0.0078 Aa CC -- GG Pp 0.0078 Aa CC -- GG -p 0.0156 Aa CC -- G- Pp 0.0156 Aa CC -- G- -p 0.0078 Aa CC -- -- Pp 0.0078 Aa CC -- -- -p 0.0078 Aa C- EE GG -p 0.0156 Aa C- EE G- -p 0.0078 Aa C- EE -- Pp 0.0078 Aa C- EE -- -p 0.0156 Aa C- E- GG -p 0.0313 Aa C- E- G- -p 0.0156 Aa C- E- -- Pp 0.0156 Aa C- E- -- -p 0.0078 Aa C- -- GG Pp 0.0078 Aa C- -- GG -p 0.0156 Aa C- -- G- Pp 0.0156 Aa C- -- G- -p 0.0078 Aa C- -- -- Pp 0.0078 Aa C- -- -- -p 0.0078 -a CC EE GG Pp 0.0078 -a CC EE GG -p 0.0156 -a CC EE G- Pp 0.0156 -a CC EE G- -p 0.0078 -a CC EE -- Pp 0.0078 -a CC EE -- -p 0.0156 -a CC E- GG Pp 0.0156 -a CC E- GG -p 0.0313 -a CC E- G- Pp 0.0313 -a CC E- G- -p 0.0156 -a CC E- -- Pp 0.0156 -a CC E- -- -p 0.0078 -a CC -- GG Pp 0.0078 -a CC -- GG -p 0.0156 -a CC -- G- Pp 0.0156 -a CC -- G- -p 0.0078 -a CC -- -- Pp 0.0078 -a CC -- -- -p 0.0078 -a C- EE GG Pp 0.0078 -a C- EE GG -p 0.0156 -a C- EE G- Pp 0.0156 -a C- EE G- -p 0.0078 -a C- EE -- Pp 0.0078 -a C- EE -- -p 0.0156 -a C- E- GG Pp 0.0156 -a C- E- GG -p 0.0313 -a C- E- G- Pp 0.0313 -a C- E- G- -p 0.0156 -a C- E- -- Pp 0.0156 -a C- E- -- -p 0.0078 -a C- -- GG Pp 0.0078 -a C- -- GG -p 0.0156 -a C- -- G- Pp 0.0156 -a C- -- G- -p 0.0078 -a C- -- -- Pp 0.0078 -a C- -- -- -p ====== == ======== ======== == == --> 0.8594 -a C- -- -- -p undefined colour 0.0078 Aa CC EE GG Pp 0.0156 Aa CC EE G- Pp 0.0156 Aa CC E- GG Pp 0.0313 Aa CC E- G- Pp 0.0078 Aa C- EE GG Pp 0.0156 Aa C- EE G- Pp 0.0156 Aa C- E- GG Pp 0.0313 Aa C- E- G- Pp ====== == ======== ======== == == --> 0.1406 Aa C- E- G- Pp Golden Agouti LOL... looks like alot of math is involved lol
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TScrazymouse_yyh	Nov 10 2006, 12:32 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #357
www.suggiesathome .wordpress.com Elite 12,047 posts Joined: Nov 2005 From: Setapak	QUOTE(emino @ Nov 10 2006, 10:26 AM) Huhu~ My modem got broken is the lightning storm a few days ago. Now have to wait for weeks before I can get a new one. Aiyoh.... but did you see your handsome lilac? Heheheheh.... QUOTE(lilac @ Nov 10 2006, 11:38 AM) The place i intro them one on one was a neutral place =s. Only without the hay LOL. Will test it out later... maybe i should tempt her with some leng zhais also LOL Maybe he reaction may be diffrent. LOL LOL... I've been reading quite alot of genetic lately but i dont get how do you +/- the genes? I've also downloaded the Gerbcal to check what + what = what LOL but what does "undefined gene"s mean? anyone using it? LOL Must learn Must learn !! LOL lol. What do you want to breed him with? another SP or plain dove? lol Hahaha... planning to breed Sp with him and hope to produce mottled if possible... coz mottleds and collars look very nice on agoutis and blacks... so maybe I breed him with my sp black eheheh... but at the same time I also wanna produce some Sp doves also coz I like the colour... so pale and nice...
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lilac	Nov 10 2006, 12:40 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #358
Casual Junior Member 376 posts Joined: Aug 2006	QUOTE(crazymouse_yyh @ Nov 10 2006, 12:32 PM) Hahaha... planning to breed Sp with him and hope to produce mottled if possible... coz mottleds and collars look very nice on agoutis and blacks... so maybe I breed him with my sp black eheheh... but at the same time I also wanna produce some Sp doves also coz I like the colour... so pale and nice... LOL ! YAY! More SP !! LOL how does mottleds loke like? Is it a messy patches which look like marbel? lol More SP!! More SP!!! LOL
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TScrazymouse_yyh	Nov 10 2006, 12:44 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #359
www.suggiesathome .wordpress.com Elite 12,047 posts Joined: Nov 2005 From: Setapak	QUOTE(lilac @ Nov 10 2006, 12:40 PM) LOL ! YAY! More SP !! LOL how does mottleds loke like? Is it a messy patches which look like marbel? lol More SP!! More SP!!! LOL Yah... the messy white patches heheheh.... normally if mate Sp with Sp, the litters are smaller but then 1 might be mottled... or 2... depends.... My female Sp black that died, she got nice collar, bought her from petswonderland and she produced 5 pups, 4 were Sp... really high Sp% but bad luck struck and she just died with no reason.... so... I'm keeping her carbon copy daughter to keep as future breeding with my Sp dove.. hope lah can at least produce some nice Sp...
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lilac	Nov 10 2006, 12:52 PM Show posts by this member only \| Post #360
Casual Junior Member 376 posts Joined: Aug 2006	Sad to hear... I'm sure her daughter would do good to Both agouti and black got nice contrast to white which makes them so cool!
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