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post Sep 13 2016, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ Sep 12 2016, 11:43 PM)
opening up, i am a agent public mutual, but i do very much different from other agent they are doing.
first thing first in public mutual those fund manager are very conservative, to add on depend which fund are you buying.

ask back your agent should I go for 100% equity? they will tell you unit accumulation , this and that. ended up epf 3% service charge or 5.5 % service charge. like this sure die very fast for the investor and make the unit trust consultant happy only.

for me most of the time i am doing a range 70% in bond which up to date giving around 5.15% from jan to August, then 30% equity. with this I am very comfortable my client will able to cover their service charge very fast. which good amount of bullet when come to a roller coaster ride.
type of equity i love most now is mix assets, up to jan to august giving about 7% but for cash only. inside the mix assets has about 50+% in bond and the rest you guess. consistence return from last year about 11%
normal, is educated around the agency, non would want to use asset allocation
correct loh, whoch agent want to have double work, keep want to find money ma....
i am really sorry to hear that, if have chance contact me, i make sure you get better then fd at the end of the day. but i guess you had lost confident.
well i have a lot of big client who dont mind to loose about 1 to 2 % year from epf, they are waiting for opportunity while they  transfer from their epf to unit trust in bond , of of small percentage of equity. market we cannot predict, but we can take precaution
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When I read your reply, my heart skipped a beat and thought, wow, finally someone with potential show up?
But not so fast.... gotta show some proof la icon_idea.gif

Glad you said asset allocation
So... what is your 'default' recommended portfolio? Don't give us the boring 'depends on client's risk profile bla bla'. What is the backtested volatility and annualised returns for the past 3-5 years? Note: I'm very specific, I'm not interest in year 6-10 returns because the trend has changed so significantly that I didn't think it's meaningful anymore

Part 2 - enough of standing out amongst the PM agents. How does your portfolio of funds compared to others out there? Could be CWA, or the bunch of DIY investors in this subsection

p/s: How long have you been a PM agent? why not consider selling for a FA firm or something where you are not restricted by a bunch of boring funds and bad reputation (not yet, but just a matter of time)

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post Sep 13 2016, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(tkwfriend @ Sep 13 2016, 10:15 AM)
i know is a bit boring recently in here, 70% i place in PIINFBF at the moment is around 5+% up to date. i notice this fund since Jan and moving great in may. 30% can be either small cap or big cap. it will not really going to hurt the portfolio (EPF), but for cash i am going after PSMACF were doing 11% last year notice this fund around feb, this fund has 28% equity, 58% in bond and balance MM. earlier when i saw PEsMAGF this fund were doing 18% last year, this year were not doing well.
my fund generally help me to stay up positive after a few month due to the bond. ( my main thing is to keep bullet, when market in fear I will enter around 10-15% of your bond money)

to be true (i broke omy own rice bow) bond fund in RHB consistence giving about 7% annually return.

I had been with public mutual in 2013, but when looking at my earlier batch client loosing money already got slap on my face. looking for solution for them and new client. but now i got slap by my manager who i doing this. bangwall.gif
but well i make sure my client make money first.
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No need to break own rice bowl, people around here are pretty well versed of the non public mutual fund returns.
Why bother to stay with the Titanic and try to do things differently when no one else want to change to the better. Surely there are better avenues out there to sell better products with better asset allocation strategies.

Go to the FSM thread for some competitor intelligence. The folks commenting there are mostly retail non-pro investors, and yet you would see better asset allocation strategies than most PM UTCs

QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 13 2016, 11:09 AM)
FA firm can only take in Licensed Financial Planner with Sec-Com's CMSRL license holder, not FIMM's UTC licence. Cannot simply-simply join punya.
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Oops I didn't know that... soli soli notworthy.gif
In that case right, how do they sell since the LFP supposed to only give independent advice and not distribute the funds? Is there any conflict of interest there?

p/s: LFP license shouldn't be that hard to get also right? Just ask the fella to go take la
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post Sep 13 2016, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 13 2016, 12:19 PM)
Hard or not is individual, cannot comment on generalization.

It may be easy for some, it can be super hard for some.

Why do I say It may be easy for some, it can be super hard for some?

Consider this:

One need to have the academic qualification namely either CFP or RFP which generally take 18 to 24 mths to complete.

Then should one passes that exam, he / she must be working in the Unit Trust Industry for a minimum of 3 years as a UTC.

Then he apply to the Sec-Com to take the CMSRL provided he is a  good standing citizen, that is, no criminal case pending or bankruptcy case against him / her.

So far so good, can you follow? The above is the easy part. Now comes the hard part:

Consider this, many who joined first as UTC and has an active career would have built up a significant Asset under Advisory. With this he / she is receiving monthly recurring income. If he / she needs to convert to CMSRL, he / she  needs to resign from the current UTMC and start fresh with an FA firm. Currently, there is no mechanism to transfer the AUA to another company.

That is why I say it may be easy for some, it can be super hard for some. Suppose aUTC has a small AUA and not receiving substantial income, then he may consider to switch over to FA firm with no significant pain of loss of income. Suppose a UTC has a large AUA, then he suffers greater loss of income.

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Wow, great overview on the practical challenges

From what you said, I gathered that the requirements is quite impractical and would stop a lot of qualified people to want to do it

And ultimately, the loss is ours, the consumers of not getting the best value possible
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post Sep 13 2016, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Sep 13 2016, 02:03 PM)
smile.gif  You going on about the "impractical" angle because he makes it sounds easy, "... CFP or RFP which generally take 18 to 24 mths to complete" like any UTC can take the course and will pass.

If only you know that the UTC exams were fully booked months in advance... and in that room, the variety of people taking the exam is as wide as the variety of people you would meet in a city bus.
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You are right, I was just putting myself in the shoes and thought it should not be so difficult
And that's not right since public mutual has more UTCs than the country's qualified bean counters

This seems to be a bigger issue than I realise
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post Sep 23 2016, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(melz84 @ Sep 23 2016, 02:21 PM)
Hi PM sifus

hope you guys can shed some lights here... i've had the following funds invested using EPF thru an agent for the past 4-5 years... but they have been hovering between losses and slight gains of 0.46% only.

PITSEQ 21%
PISSF 16%
PIEF         16%
PISEF 16%
PIOGF 10%
PIDF         11%
PEBF         5%
PISTBF 5%
can anyone recommend which i should ditch and which i should keep or add instead ?
i've been thinking if i should just ditch everything and move the money back into my EPF since EPF can do better
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Since I'm the PM hater here, let me be the bad guy la

Yes, I've been advocating for my friends to sell especially with EPF withdrawal since EPF pays better dividends

But being a responsible forumer, I'd also advise to
1. Consider switching to better performance funds (as far as I know the 2 funds giving >7% 5-year annualised returns is Small Cap fund and Islamic Opportunities, but I think they are not available for purchase at the moment)
2. Give your agent a chance to make it up to you for the money lost over the years
3. After you sell the PM funds, consider to use FSM to buy funds from other asset management companies that earn you up to 25% per annum on a 5 year annualised basis brows.gif

QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 23 2016, 02:49 PM)
If the UTC has been doing his job, this UTF participant would not have required to come to a forum and ask what fund to keep and what fund to sell.....

What diff is this compared to a DIY method?

Oh wait... there is the difference in sales charge.  whistling.gif  shakehead.gif  doh.gif

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Give la constructive feedback, boss

This post has been edited by dasecret: Sep 23 2016, 03:14 PM
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post Sep 23 2016, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Sep 23 2016, 03:07 PM)
The constructive feedback is to ask that forum member to CALL and TEMBAK his agent instead of ranting here.

Same thing applies to people who refuses to call his bank customer service officer but ask questions here.
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oklor.... but his method too subtle then, I didn't get the message pun. Mine also too subtle, yours thumbsup.gif
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post Oct 11 2016, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(kavman1984 @ Oct 9 2016, 03:04 PM)
Public Ittikal Fund

Is this a good fund to invest in?

Planning for retirement, 30 years. Intial investment RM10k ,then monthly RM500(30 years)

Please advise if there are better funds out there.

I am a noob in unit trust. How about Kenanga Growth Fund? = 10 years 384% in return
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I believe the original ittikal fund already closed for investment; they have the sequel fund now

There are lots of better funds out there, they are not Public Mutual funds, you can filter for my past comments in this thread.

anyway, the comparison of ittikal sequel fund and kenanga growth fund

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Blue: Kenanga Growth
Orange: Ittikal sequel

Which one do you think is better? shocking.gif
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post Oct 11 2016, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(heaven.33 @ Oct 6 2016, 03:37 PM)
Hi, anyone invested in PB SmallCap fund? I checked my statement and it seems like it i snot gaining.
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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 6 2016, 03:51 PM)
While waiting for the right response....
I just want to say....some small caps funds from other fund houses are losing money too this year in m'sia
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Public small cap is the highest return fund that PM has, and yet if you compare its 5 years returns with its peers, pale in comparison

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Orange: PM small cap
Blue: Eastspring investment small cap fund
Red: RHB small cap opportunity
Green: CIMB small cap

And people wonder why I'm a PM basher puke.gif
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post Oct 11 2016, 01:57 PM

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QUOTE(kavman1984 @ Oct 11 2016, 01:51 PM)
So, if I go thru public mutual agent(part time), can U invest in Kenanga Growth fund? Sorry I am a noob
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No, public mutual agents can only sell public mutual funds. They cannot even sell Public Bank's PB funds I think

A lot of us in this forum buy funds on a DIY online platform. The thread is here
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4047177

There are agents out there who can sell funds from various fund house except public mutual as well if you want to pay 5.5% sales charge

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post Oct 11 2016, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(heaven.33 @ Oct 11 2016, 02:32 PM)
Wow the gap is quite huge there indeed. What is your outlook on this in long term?
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I'm no expert. The only thing I can tell from the chart is - don't buy Public Mutual. They are the biggest and oldest no doubt, but not running the fastest at the moment.

Luckily TS is not an agent otherwise I would have been kicked out long time jor sweat.gif
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post Oct 11 2016, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(heaven.33 @ Oct 11 2016, 04:32 PM)
haha...but I have already invested in this since the start of this year. Do you advise to pull out at this moment?
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Err... I guess that's quite personal

I won't add more into this fund for sure. Did you only buy this 1 fund? The risk is higher than the normal big cap funds
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post Oct 11 2016, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 11 2016, 05:45 PM)
I have investment with Psmallcap since Q2/2011 (1 off investment)
So far, the total returns was ard 95% -v- benchmark @ 46%
I wud assign 9 out of 10 in term of performance
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Boss, if you look at that Bloomberg screenshot, you would have made 198% if you invested in EI SC instead for the same 5 years... so I guess it's all relative cool2.gif
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post Oct 11 2016, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(kavman1984 @ Oct 11 2016, 05:46 PM)
I am looking to invest for 30 years(planning for retirement). Since Public Mutual, is the biggest and oldest, they offer stability no?

My plan is : for initial investment: RM10k and then commit RM500/month for 30 years. RM1.5million is the target. Possible?
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Wa, u want this type of promise you should be talking to agents. I'm certainly not dishing out any promises to anyone here. Who knows? Maybe suddenly Public Mutual will wake up and start to give above average returns to investors eventhough they have not done so in the past 5 years

No one can promise you that it'll be RM1.5 million by the end of 30 years; and no one should for a non-guaranteed product. Past performance is not a guarantee of future returns as well.

P/S: mathematically, you need annual return of >10.5% to reach the desired RM1.5 million. But remember something, the RM1.5 million would be worth a lot less than today's due to inflation as well.
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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Oct 11 2016, 05:54 PM)
I agreed but at tat moment of time (i.e. reset time to Q2/2011), I dunno wat will happen in 5 yrs time
Anyway, I'm happy as I blif in destiny  smile.gif
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Yeah, and I'm glad you bought small cap fund instead of ittikal or regular savings thumbup.gif
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post Oct 11 2016, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(kavman1984 @ Oct 11 2016, 06:08 PM)
Do you have any idea which public mutual fund that has the highest annual returns? My agent recommend me to invest in Public ittikal fund(he said annual return 8-12%). I want something with a higher return.

Kindly advise
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Since I'm not charging you for my advice like UTCs, I'm not going to spoon feed you

Here, use this website to find your answer
http://my.morningstar.com/ap/fundselect/default.aspx

Why must you buy public mutual funds if your agent fail to convince you?

Higher return is not free, you are taking more risk. Are you comfortable with that kind of risk
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post Oct 12 2016, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(Quang1819 @ Oct 12 2016, 05:37 PM)
Many people told me that PBB's unit trusts are the worst. Is it true?
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I think worst is an overstatement la.... even for me who dislike PM
There are worse ones out there

But there are also better ones out there. So choose wisely
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post Oct 12 2016, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(AbangCorp @ Oct 12 2016, 09:59 AM)
Aggressive is not everyone appetite. Especially if you require a stable income.
PIDF Public Islamic dividend fund is steady, it did hit 18% (or more) historically. So what I did, I invest regularly, slow and steady.

Do you notice, within these 2 or 3 years, most Malaysian fund is also going south. As diversification as their main feature, each fund type will cover most of the big company. If the economic climate is not conducive, these companies will also decline in growth as well the fund house that invest in them.

If you are a seasoned PB investor, you will know that you can wait (patience) and you have lock some handsome profits.

There is indeed fund type that outperformed its benchmark, if you ask me it is good enough. Many also slips. I am focusing on long term gain, thus the fund that have below average or slips if NAV price is what I am grabbing right now.

Please also be informed our economy is not its dead bottom level yet. it is just 4 % down and 4 % up. So strategy is crucial.
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I agree that the large caps are not doing great in the past 2-3 years, but to say most Msian fund not doing well seem to only apply to PM though. The following excludes small cap funds
Examples and their 3 year annualised returns:
Kenanga Growth Fund 13.48%
Eastspring Investment MY Focus Fund 12.73%
Eastspring Investment Equity Income fund 8.43%
Eastspring Investment Dana Al-Ilham 8.34%
Manulife Dana Ekuiti 8.27%

Contrast that with Public Mutual
Public Select Select 3.86%
Public Ittikal Sequel 3.84%

Sorry, not so familiar with PM funds not sure if I miss a higher return one... but you get the picture

QUOTE(Dividend Magic @ Oct 12 2016, 05:53 PM)
Very diplomatic answer  rclxms.gif

But yes agreed, many many better alternatives out there.
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Have to stick to the facts la, even if this is just a public forum
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post Oct 14 2016, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(AbangCorp @ Oct 14 2016, 09:13 AM)
There are so many criteria when selecting unit trust. There are also many strategy to implement it. By having a lot of unit trust fund type within the same unit trust management company, you could apply more strategy (buying low, switching etc).

Better or worse is really up to you apetite and liking.

Let me put here as example. public mutual have been in business more than 30 years. To start investing directly to high risk / high return equity share market, you need at least 1000 ringgit.

Competitor have a little bit more linient say 500 ringgit to start invest.

Investor A=have 10thousand in his pocket
Investor B=have only 100 dollars spare cash per month

Thus if I am the investor A, minimum initial investment does not concern me much as much as investor B.
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Abang, I think you have not looked at the unit trust industry landscape for a while

Instead of choosing a single fund house, now you get the option of almost all the fund houses by going to:
1) Banks - their offering still a bit limited due to their shortlisting requirements, more foreign feeder funds
2) FA Firms/CUTA/IUTA - provided CFP advisory and portfolio construction with funds from various fund house
3) DIY via fundsupermart - cheap sales charge, easy to switch, again, availability of most funds from most fund houses

Who cares about the single ancient titanic fundhouse with lots of poor performance funds anymore. And seriously, 5.25% sales charge even if I do it myself on the online portal?!
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post Dec 27 2016, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(littledaus @ Dec 21 2016, 02:33 PM)
Anyone have contact any PM agent, im would like to know more about investment.
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QUOTE(frankzane @ Dec 27 2016, 01:28 PM)
I'm looking for PM agent as well. My current agent not very 'helpful'....
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As usual I have to buat kacau here tongue.gif

So why go with Public Mutual? Sales charge expensive, bad fund performance

Why do I say bad fund performance?
See the highest 5 years cumulative returns for all retail funds in Malaysia
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And see the Public Mutual's highest 5 years cumulative returns
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Need I say more?

Credit: https://iportfolio.com.my/screen#
You can filter by shariah funds or by EPF approved or any other criteria you like

Btw, if you currently invested with Public Mutual but wants to sell and buy other funds, you can contact fundsupermart.com.my. They offer free SC if you show proof of disposing PM within a month of buying on fundsupermart

I better run away before the agents and TS kill me rclxs0.gif
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post Dec 28 2016, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Dec 28 2016, 10:05 AM)
In other words, you are saying PM Fund Managers are not as good as other Fund Managers? confused.gif

Are you serious on the 'switch' offered by FSM? Makes me considering.....
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I can only decipher from facts, that PM performance is sub par in the past 5 years.

I don't know why the performance is worse off than other fund managers. I've asked PM UT agents on open FB groups and forums for the underlying reasons. Most of the time they just say Public Mutual is more stable due to their conservative investment style. Satisfy with the response or not is up to you

Oh, one also say that Public Mutual is aware o competition from online platforms like fundsupermart but does not feel a need to worry about them as investors still prefer personalised face to face service. So they don't feel the need to compete with these platforms or innovate the ways they do things

The free transfer? That's what many forumers said. I have not done it yet so can't give you personal guarantee. but you can always use live help on FSM to confirm that before you proceed

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