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TSNetGi
post Apr 25 2015, 03:26 PM, updated 10y ago

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Hey guys,

My 2yr old Lenovo Y400 has been serving me well but since January it's been experiencing random crashes especially while gaming.

I'm a casual gamer and the games I played the most are usually Dota2 and GTA4. Before any of these crashes happen, I experience a stuttering/lag gameplay (even when minimized to desktop, sounds also stutter when this happens) for a few times, then the crashes start happening.

Initially it only crashes when I'm in the 2nd or 3rd game of Dota2, but it started to happen more frequently to the extend of only 30 seconds into the game. Currently I'm also experiencing random crashes while doing normal web browsing and surfing /k.

I have run a stress test on it and this is the result of the maximum temperature:
Intel i7 Quad-core: Reaches average maximum temperature of 85C
Nvidia GT 750M: Reaches maximum temperature of 95C

It achieves this temperature without crashing, I stopped the test to prevent frying the hardware lol.

This is the reading from HWMonitor prior to the crash:
Intel i7 Quad-core: Average temperature of 75C
Nvidia GT 750M: Average temperature of 68C

and it crashes without any warning? rclxub.gif

Now it's starting to crash while normal web browsing (rarely) with a reading of:
Intel i7 Quad-core: Average temperature of 58C
Nvidia GT 750M: Average temperature of 42C

The problem is these crashes occur randomly and there's no way to routinely recreate it. I've sent it to my retailer for checkup but he said he can't find the issue? cry.gif

Anyways I've called Lenovo Support regarding this issue and they asked me to send it to an Authorized Lenovo Service Centre and its a possible thermal/ motherboard issue. Just wondering if anyone else faced this issue before? It's so frustrating that it's driving me crazy vmad.gif Makes me wanna toss this so called "budget gaming laptop" out the window and get a macbook because #AppleMasterRace

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post Apr 25 2015, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Apr 25 2015, 03:28 PM)
Thermal paste finish
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Where to buy? sad.gif

QUOTE(myway1985 @ Apr 25 2015, 03:30 PM)
Trade in for xps 15.. add 4000 only..
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But is dell leh..

QUOTE(TiF @ Apr 25 2015, 03:54 PM)
clean your heatsink, reapply thermal paste.
go youtube search for guide.

the stuttering/lag that you experience is mainly due to overheat and your cpu/gc throttle down the speed

i recently got an very old dell laptop, just youtubing can reach 90c. after clean it now max 50c
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Thanks! thumbup.gif does the service centre do this for me? Cuz my laptop still under warranty better let them do rclxub.gif
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post Apr 27 2015, 04:10 AM

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QUOTE(kopifan @ Apr 25 2015, 05:40 PM)
yes they do
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Alright thanks! Shall notify them when I'm at the service centre smile.gif

QUOTE(myway1985 @ Apr 25 2015, 06:05 PM)
wat wrong wif dell? no.1 after sales service in malaysia.. n i get u special discount.. haha
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Yea but they are known to be not so good quality.. sad.gif haha it's okay I'm not interested in it

QUOTE(icecreamcake @ Apr 25 2015, 09:55 PM)
my y400 temperature more worst than urs..

even though i send to clean the whole laptop and replace thermal paste on both gpu and cpu..

the temp of gta v 3 hours  rclxub.gif

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gpu max 98'c  blush.gif

edit: note the max temp
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Wahh GTA V use so much resource? doh.gif I never pass 85C with the games I played but dunno why still spoilt cry.gif

P.S: Thanks @evofantasy for the heads up haha. But I'm not interested in new laptops just wanna get my laptop fixed thats all.. Jgnlah gaduh2 @evofantasy @myway1985 kita semua kan kawan2 kat lyn... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Apr 30 2015, 04:13 AM

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QUOTE(syawalx @ Apr 27 2015, 04:22 AM)
Do inform after send for warranty claim. Cos im using y500.

Just wanna know the outcome. If still hve problem, i can do for you. No charge 😀
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Will update you on this thread yea smile.gif Initially wanted y500 too but no stock and no patience so yea.. sweat.gif

QUOTE(pandera999 @ Apr 27 2015, 04:55 PM)
dear NetGi do you send ur notebook to the service center? besides that... sometimes, need to see bios update..  new bios sometimes solve this issue
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Yea just sent it. I have already updated my bios and drivers but still got issue.. sad.gif

QUOTE(putochip123 @ Apr 27 2015, 08:57 PM)
well, actually can try repaste the thermal compound. would help alot. cause most probably ur thermal compound become cookies d
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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Apr 27 2015, 08:59 PM)
TS, best solution is repaste the thermal paste. It saves you bucks instead of a new laptop. Why change something that is not broken? smile.gif
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But my laptop never run above 85C leh, still possible for it to be a thermal issue? And I don't dare to open the laptop as it is still under warranty scared kena void.. blush.gif

QUOTE(BBXiong @ Apr 28 2015, 02:53 AM)
actually how long is your warranty? if under warranty, and you dont need it on a daily basis, send it, have them fix it for you.I suspect this might also have something to do with your GPU driver, or even anything that you have recently installed( excluding games, but might be some software that comes with games though ) clashing with any background running app. Whenever stuffs like this happen, try using driver sweep and install back the driver that you first ran your laptop with. Secondly, about repasting the laptop, it also depends on what thermal paste you will be replacing them with. If you are replacing them with some random budget cooler master paste, I dont think it would help a lot. Try using diamond IC if u really want to have your laptop last longer. It helps a lot.

alternatively, instead of throwing your money into #AppleMasterRace, try what other forumer already recommended, illegear. Even with 860M i think the GPU is also better than your current one, and the cooling is way better than most the laptops out there as well.
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Ending next month but the service center say can extend according to purchase date if provide proof of purchase so gonna ask my retailer to check records and re-issue receipt cuz my receipt already throw together with the box.. sweat.gif This is my only laptop/pc so its quite important to me.. cry.gif

I updated all drivers and bios already.. and used Lenovo Recovery to reformat but still got problem.. sad.gif

Any shop to recommend to buy a thermal paste? But currently don't dare to apply it myself cuz scared void warranty..

I usually use my laptop to edit videos, microsoft office, surf web and some casual gaming, so don't really need a gaming rig.. I prefer Macbook cuz of their OSX and priority on entertainment software (GarageBand and iMovie).
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post Apr 30 2015, 04:45 AM

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UPDATE: So I sent my laptop to a Lenovo Service Center already. The technician told me that this model is facing alot of issue due to bad engineering of cooling system doh.gif He told me that laptops generally should be around 50C but my laptop heats up to 60C even when left idle so it might be a thermal issue after all.. He said my laptop's problem is under warranty but it will take minimum 3 weeks to a month due to the warranty claim procedure of Lenovo with no ETA mad.gif He promised to update me weekly regarding the status so hope everything goes well (not going to expect him to do so anyway laugh.gif )

But an important thing to take note, he notified me that my laptop hinge on both side is damaged, with both screws missing, 1 gear missing and another gear dislocated. I asked my retailer and they said they have not tampered with the laptop nor damaged the laptop in any way while it was with them as it was under warranty.. So i suspect it was damaged before it was even purchased by me.. The technician said that external damage will not be covered under warranty.. It's not a big issue but I'm worried with extended use it might damage my screen cable and Lenovo OneKey recovery button located near it, causing my laptop to have a malfunction screen and OneKey button.. I have uploaded the pictures for any Lyn forumners reference.. Anyone that has the same model as me please do check your laptop now to see if the screws on both side are intact and tightly screwed (loosely screwed but intact is an indication of it being broken). This kind of defect might not be caused by you but it is not covered under warranty.. so any dispute will have to be with your retailer or Lenovo itself if you purchase it directly from them..

A brief google search about this issue turns up with alot of similar problems from Lenovo forums itself.. I left some links here for reference regarding this hinge problem...

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-P-Y-and...en/td-p/1587738
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Lenovo-P-Y-and...ty/td-p/1761609

Not only that, he said my laptop might be tempered by someone and therefore caused the hinge screw hole to be broken. He showed me the Lenovo sticker is still intact which means my laptop has not been tempered with, but it was poorly paste and exposed the screw so it can be unscrewed without damaging the warranty sticker. I told him it's not my problem that Lenovo itself paste the sticker poorly that is making my warranty claim difficult but he told me there is nothing he can do about it.. and my warranty might be void if there is proof that my laptop has indeed been tampered with causing my crashing issue to be void of warranty and subject to a fixing fee (nothing to worry about unless my retailer lied to me about not touching the hardware, which I will bring this dispute to them).

Will update you guys on my status and trying my best to reply everyone promptly smile.gif on a side note can anyone recommend any laptop service center that does thermal paste reapplying and cleaning of the heat sink around Klang Valley? Currently using an old HP Compaq Presario CQ40 and it warms up to around 75C even when left idle.. and goes up to 105C before throttling down performance to cool it back to 95C while playing Dota2 at the most minimum graphic settings..

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post May 1 2015, 04:53 AM

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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Apr 30 2015, 07:35 AM)
good feedback.. which model is this? y400 bla3.... so that, this model can be avoid at the moment.. else will be same issue in the future. and where you buy this notebook?  hmm.gif it could be someone tempered the notebook.. like third parties supplier.. jz like.. the model shud come with 8gb ram (4gb x 2) but they remove 1 ram... then.. it will b 4gb ram only.. want upgrade... spend extra money.. some people.. will did this...
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Thanks! I only know is Lenovo y400 sad.gif This model is replaced by the Y50/70 already and no longer in production.. Generally I think Lenovo laptops might face this issue.. sweat.gif Bought it in Lowyat Plaza.. Omg you said something similiar to my experience.. I bought this laptop with only 4gb ram and I paid an additional RM200 to upgrade to 8GB.. vmad.gif
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post May 1 2015, 04:54 AM

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Apr 30 2015, 08:46 AM)
3 weeeks to 1 month... wtf.. tat is so long...
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Yea but according to him is standard procedure due to claiming warranty and it seems normal.. I also shocked by how long it's gonna take.. was expecting 2 weeks.. sad.gif
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post May 1 2015, 04:55 AM

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QUOTE(pandera999 @ Apr 30 2015, 08:58 AM)
i mean good feedback is.. his good explanation..  feedback to this thread.
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Haha thank you thumbup.gif Just wanna share my experience here so that other Lyn forumners won't have to go through what I'm going through now.. or at least know how to handle the situation better blush.gif
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post May 1 2015, 04:56 AM

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ Apr 30 2015, 09:26 AM)
I know la... just shock by the period it takes to repair... dell make 2nd trip I already jump the gun Jor..
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Haha why you keep on promoting Dell.. you're a sales agent for them is it brows.gif
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post May 1 2015, 04:58 AM

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QUOTE(derrrick @ Apr 30 2015, 11:57 AM)
3 weeks to a month? wish you luck bro... Y400 is known for heating issue and im surprise that the technician being that honest and tell you "due to bad engineering of cooling system"  sweat.gif

btw i recalled there is one thread about lenovo quote for 1k+ to fix the hinge  hmm.gif
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Yea it's gonna be Hell on Earth for me.. sad.gif Yeah he's actually quite honest and when another customer asked him about which laptop is the best in terms of quality (he was entertaining another customer at the same time about her faulty Thinkpad screen) and he said Apple Macbook biggrin.gif sweat.gif Walao so exp.. shocking.gif cry.gif
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post May 1 2015, 05:00 AM

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QUOTE(icecreamcake @ Apr 30 2015, 01:26 PM)
Hi TS, can I know which SC u sent your laptop? Yes this model indeed had bad cooling system since lenovo release this model and a lot of bad reviews of the cooling system. Even u go to reapply thermal paste and cleaning up the whole laptop, its still unable to solve your problems, when compared your laptop with mine, your max temperature still under "safe" level. I've assume the root isn't from your thermal issue but since you had sent your laptop to SC, you can just request them to reapply. Keep in mind SC only will use some budget normal thermal paste, it not really have any significant temperature reduces. IMO, your laptop 60'c at idle is quite normal for this model, mine went to 70'c still working well.

IMO, the SC claimed to take minimum 3 weeks to a month to repairs/services is really ridiculous for me. I had sent my laptop(y400) to 2 SCs in a month. First time is unable to power on, sent to Plaza Berjaya SC, take 7 days repair. Second time due to the RAM slot problem cause the laptop unexpected shutdowns, sent to Seremban SC, take only 5 days to repair. Even when i asked the stuff at Plaza Berjaya about ETA he claimed only need around 5 working days to done the work, he said I can always call the SC ask about the progress if I want to push them.

About the hinge issues and screws missing I think is DOA. Did u had checked the laptop completely when u purchase the laptop? BTW last time there is a forumer also said about his hinge cracked issues. You can find it out at Lenovo related thread I can't remember which thread and how long ago.
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I sent to the one in Puchong.. I should have did some research before buying.. I only bought it cause it was a great bargain.. regret now sad.gif They say they will do it as a standard procedure blink.gif Wah seems that my laptop's thermal issue is still okay.. sweat.gif Wah so fast? He said the same to me too about calling to ask about the progress.. and that it takes 3 weeks to a month because they don't know what's causing the crash and need time to determine what's the issue, and then submit a warranty claim to Lenovo HQ, and waiting for the specific part to be delivered to them and so on...

DOA = Damaged on Arrival? I was excited that time and didn't bother much as it seems new.. so didn't really expect 2 small screws to be missing.. Is he the one that commented below?
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QUOTE(BBXiong @ Apr 30 2015, 04:21 PM)
if you main reason is video editing, then indeed there's a point for going MAC, but problem is how much would u be paying for it? As I recall a MAC with a decent graphic card would easily cost 5k
Some technicians are honest about the flaws etc when u send in to service. If you service gonna take 3 weeks to a month, normally it means you're sending in to a smaller SC, and they send your laptop to their main SC to repair. Best to just ask them for the main SC near your area, go there yourself and repair it. Last time my Asus tablet took only 3 days to fix a main board problem, when the sunway pyramid branch says 2-3 weeks time.

Honestly cleaning heatsink and repasting is something u can easily do, just google the disassemble video of your laptop, be very careful and follow exact instructions and you'll be safe. just research around what's the best thermal paste, have 4 hours to just slowly do everything, and enjoy your laptop with much cooler temp biggrin.gif
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Yea budget is currently tight so I guess I will have to deal with this y400 for now.. blush.gif Yup their service centre seems small as it is a small office area on the upper floor of the shop lots. But I already submit it to them, so I guess all I can do now is wait.. cry.gif

Okay but currently don't dare to do anything with this old laptop as it is my only laptop left with me that is working.. blush.gif If this one dies I'm gonna live a barbarian life for at least a month.. tongue.gif
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post May 1 2015, 05:01 AM

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QUOTE(ErgoProxi @ Apr 30 2015, 07:16 PM)
last time I claimed  warranty on y400 faulty mobo, it took a week or so.

btw, replacing the palm rest + mid bottom case coz rm8xx pre-GST and it took  weeks since the parts are coming from China.
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Wah so fast? What was your problem? shocking.gif

So expensive.. sad.gif Its like spending almost half of the laptop price to just fix that 2 stupid screw hole shakehead.gif
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post May 1 2015, 05:02 AM

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QUOTE(ErgoProxi @ Apr 30 2015, 07:49 PM)
y400? that was me.
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Do you still remember the title of your topic? Or can you link me to it? If not I can just search it up myself.. Thanks blush.gif
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post May 2 2015, 05:17 AM

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ May 1 2015, 09:03 AM)
I do sell dell n I do angry when they hv to come 2 times to fix 1 error... we pay extra for the service dude.... I did wrote a 1 full page complaint when they send wrong parts for my m17... totally not wat I request... claim max after tat... my m17 every parts claimed other than casing... hehe
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Wah.. Full utilization of warranty brows.gif icon_idea.gif
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post May 2 2015, 05:18 AM

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QUOTE(pandera999 @ May 1 2015, 09:28 AM)
sometimes... need check at the broshure/website.. cz the package shud be similar.. so if something lack... there is must be suspicious specs provide by the shop. usually lowyat have a lot of 3rd parties seller.  laugh.gif
notworthy.gif appreciate that...  thumbup.gif
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Yea.. learn lesson d sad.gif Then should go to official retailer to buy? But they are more expensive right..
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post May 2 2015, 05:18 AM

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QUOTE(ErgoProxi @ May 1 2015, 03:00 PM)
unable to turn on.

dey, nowadays can find laptop with on par y400 performance @ rm2499?
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Wah, caused by heat issue? What laptop? unsure.gif
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post May 3 2015, 01:57 AM

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QUOTE(pandera999 @ May 2 2015, 09:28 AM)
some are cheap... some like garage sales seller offer better deal
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But I prefer physical store cuz if got any problem can easily refer back to them first.. rclxms.gif
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post May 3 2015, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(myway1985 @ May 2 2015, 09:45 AM)
If not y I buy dell.    I am paying extra 15% for this OK... every 6 month ask them come overhaul n clean for u.. hehe
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Extra 15%? Wah got such service as overhaul and clean the laptop when needed? so good de meh drool.gif
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QUOTE(ErgoProxi @ May 3 2015, 12:48 AM)
unstable power source + using w/o battery caused some short circuit.
7447 dell? gtx 850m but similar performance?
rclxub.gif price is higher than rm2499 lorr.
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The power brick faulty? Wah like that also can short circuit, I usually use without battery to keep it in pristine condition de.. but if I play Dota2 on battery without power source it will lag like crazy until I set all graphics to minimum.. I suspect is underpower cuz using battery hmm.gif

Dell Inspiron 7000 series? If want on par or better then is RM 3k+ d leh... whistling.gif

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