yeah good suggestion man
but...................
hope they see it your way


This post has been edited by KilJim: Nov 3 2006, 02:39 PM

err i might have a suggestion....

why dont LYN make it compulsory for any seller to do at least 1-2 COD sessions before allowing to use post methods.

this is so that the first 1-2 LYN users who have CODed with the seller can be used a referral is any problem might occur.

It doesnt matter where sellers location is at least must have had a COD sesion before.

I notice that many con cases seller always mention that he is at a far location usually east malaysia or singapore or way up north and then target KL buyers.

hope this can help

Usually in most of the big cases, conman tends to deal with a few of the members to earn their trust before conning them back

e.g. Kawasaki_kips , Poweredge

he came in with a new nick, dealt quite alot with the forummers to earn their trust, before he finally eat them up.

Doesnt mean a person is 100% trustable if he has dealt numerous time. He can con you in the next deal

yeah,
one more modus operandi thing here.......
he will use wifi at starbucks to do his posting, so tat those mods wont be able to trace his ip add

This post has been edited by KilJim: Nov 3 2006, 02:41 PM

true... but after one or two COD sessions some members of LYN at least can recognise his face or car or plate number etc etc...

well its not entirely full proof but at least its sumthing to fall back on to ...just in case...

people knew how PE looked like, he was even brought in to the police stationfor questioning, but was let go due to lack of proof + police reports against him.

so what if you know how the conman looks like? are you really going to do anything about it?

we even posted his pic everywhere, yet nothing can be done

This post has been edited by vikingw2k: Nov 12 2006, 10:49 AM

The words "DISPUTE" a bit blur... what about change the background colour, so we can see clearly "DISPUTE".. Same also to "BLACKLIST" tag. Make it a bit bigger also can be nice to warn everyone....

If LYN just do Invite style for new user / newbie like Gmail how?

hmm,imho that will indirectly telling others that we are spamming to invite more users desperately

well..i think the most important for LYN to implement safe and smooth trade is restrict the new joined newbies to stop trading..

1) all new joined newbies have to get at least 100 post on the non- trade sub forum b4 allow to trade in lYN..this is to make sure they really active and involved in LYN activities and not just simply join and cheat ppl with multiple acc

2)all trade should be finalized by sending the valid PM of postage details to trade enforcer so that trade enforcer can track the activities ard

3) copy the lelong.com.my style of having IC and handphone verified to ensure they really exist and able to track down if con case happened.


well,there are more suggestion i would like to point out but it need a huge effort by fellow moderator to follow up and implement..

Unfortunately, all the steps above already been suggested long time ago. The implementation part is not feasable coz conman can easily change login and do all this sh*t again.

To me better make 1 pinned thread & list down Hp Dealer/Reload Card Deaer/Hard Disk Dealer/Any Dealer so LYN Forumer Can Check Account Number are belong to who.
The Pinned thread are "Unedit" , so dealer/seller have to PM To "Person In Charge" to make their detail in Pinned Thread. Only ADMIN,TE or ETC Only can Edit The Detail.

Example :

RELOAD SELLER NAME / HP SELLER or DEALER
Contact Numver :
Bank Detail :
Account Number
Email.
Seller Thread : Link to Seller Garage Sale

With this, Forumer can check this account detail in PINNED thread, so maybe can less the "3rd Party Fraud" case. Where to put, Every Garage Sale Subforum under Annoucement.

Just my suggesstion.

although its stated in the rules not to open multiple threads...
these still prevail in the trade zone...
its kind of unfair coz when the same person bumps he/she occupies 5 spaces and pushes everyone's thread back...
and its kinda messy too...
probably threads selling the same thing or just few items a thread should be merged....
just my opinion tho

This post has been edited by ~*pepper*~: Nov 16 2006, 11:43 PM

this technique will make the moderator busy like hell....

from wat i see most of con case was done by seller. then how bout restrict rule 2 sell a bit.
eg like those who wanna sell need to have approval from admin @ mod.
or seller need to give their copy ic to verify (not 4 every sale, once is enough).
sound like lelong? maybe...

this is just a suggestion coz thats the reason this thread start for.
so pls dont fire me too much if it sound stupid.

no heart feeling.

edit:dont mind. silly mistake.

This post has been edited by qwery: Nov 27 2006, 01:06 PM

Been suggested many times before, but anyway let me explain why we didnt implement those

Approval - That's gonna take a lot of work, plus i dont see how we can possibly detect a conman simply by looking at his request for a sale thread

IC Verification - There's no way we can verify that the IC given really is the seller's, it's not hard to get a copy of different ICs. Lelong's works slightly better IMO cause they call up a fixed phone line to make sure the applicant has a fixed line which makes it slightly more difficult for someone to multi-account, however we're not paid and i doubt anyone's willing to make the calls for free on behalf of LYN. Plus, that would be an extreme amount of worktime involved and unlike lelong, we cant hire a permanent person to do that kinda stuff

yup...i also suggested that before..but after thinking twice while comparing lowyat.net and lelong.com.my, i found that they are both in different condition

1) lowyat.net is a free website where we are free to post stuff to sell or buy..while lelong.com.my is a buy-sell webby that more on business type that required payment for some special application

2) lowyat.net is not a webby dedicated just for sales..the prime objectives is for those forummers to share their hardware and software thoughts, jokes and lifestlye in kopitiam and just a small small subforum for sales...

so,sell or buy at ur own risk.pls accept all the mod advice as they are more experience than us in handling this cases

see, on what grounds can we say NO to the person to sell things? nothing. no grounds.

and let's say we approve and the fella end up con someone, i foresee that (based on the mentality see in LYN) the mods / admins will be blamed for approving them in the 1st place.

when a seller open a thread at garage sales, they are given a template, correct? may i suggest adding this two lines at the bottom of the template.

TZRC

TZDRC

^ i know its not much, but not all con-victims are greedy. most are merely careless and not equipped with info. a honest seller wouldn't mind having these two small links on their 1st post of a legitimate sales thread right? just raising the awareness for all.

Nothing much can be done to help those who choose to be ignorant
Having the R&R clearly on the top of the Garage Sales section is obvious enough
For those who choose not to see it, it wont do jack even if we PM them with the link and force them to open the page, they just wont read it