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post Oct 18 2018, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(robert82 @ Oct 18 2018, 11:41 AM)
He has concern the neutral support both and worried of overload.
But i have reservation on his experience dealing with smart switches.

The load pull should be minimal only to support the wifi for Sonoff.

I have option of Broadlink, Aqara and Sonoff now.

Broadlink (need hub) not favourable, but no need neutral. Someone mentioned alot problems, but when google seems minimal
Aqara (need hub) no need neutral, I'll need a set of this to replace one of my switch. Hoping can do it without hub.
Sonoff , best looking, no hub, concern on just the neutral.
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i am also researching on all the different brands but i am more inclined to Mi ecosystem as it has more sensors and the aqara switch design is better. Never like touch sensitive switches (i.e. etouch).
However, i have read that the connection of the Mi gateway to Xiaomi mainland server can be quite prickly.
Any user feedback on this?

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post Oct 18 2018, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(robert82 @ Oct 18 2018, 12:48 PM)
I have Xiaomi yeelight . Setup is tricky and not easy . So I’m not keen on Xiaomi ecosystem where I can . By the way can I use Xiaomi switches without gateway ? Or the gateway is a must
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i believe the answer is yes, unless you have other device with zigbee to communicate with the switch.
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post Oct 18 2018, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(robert82 @ Oct 18 2018, 12:47 PM)
All the neutrals currently used for AC . Some ac on once a week , some on daily . The switch that pull it is all lights or fan . Lights are led , fan is normal Panasonic

AP frequency should be 20 channel need to double check . I’m not worried in the dead zone yet . This problem worst come to worst I get damn powerful router lol
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i'm looking at using Ubiquiti AC-AP and mount on ceiling for maximum coverage, price is about RM600-700.
Need to try if the signal can reach second floor.
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post Oct 18 2018, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Oct 18 2018, 11:56 AM)
Ok for me so far. Using for about 10 months now.
Most of the time the gateway don’t even need internet connection in order for your sensors to work as they are connected local to the gateway via Zigbee
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i am thinking to use the door sensors as my house alarm, tight on budget blush.gif
Worry that the server is not responsive and cannot notify me when i am out.
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post Oct 23 2018, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(kelembai @ Oct 23 2018, 04:24 PM)
Yes need gateway to talk to other xiaomi device, aqara only up to 2 switch but sonoff up to 3 switch, no eorries pull neutral from your ac
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will there be any drawback to do this? it doesnt have to be the same Neutral from the lights? Well effectively the Neutral is still the same at the DB.
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post Oct 23 2018, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Oct 23 2018, 10:14 PM)
If wiring on single phase, should be no problem. If 3 phase house wiring, it may or may not work.
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Thanks for the response. I suspect my house is on 3 phase house wiring, is there anyway to confirm that? Phase 1 development does not mention about the wiring, but phase 2 development explicit mentioned 3 phase.
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post Nov 7 2018, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(pocalypse @ Nov 7 2018, 02:02 AM)
Hello guys, I am considering the Mi smart home system but I think one gateway may not be enough to cover the required area:

1. I suppose we can have multiple gateways in one system right, but must these gateways be in the same wifi network? (my current wifi setup is different floor different wifi)

2. is getting zigbee repeater better option?
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which product within Mi is the zigbee repeater? hmm.gif
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post Nov 10 2018, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(robert82 @ Nov 10 2018, 01:53 PM)
All 3 gang, 10 pieces

Lol
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wow sweat.gif my plan is to by one aqara switch with neutral to test it out first with the AC switch, if it works then only i will buy more...

qns on aqara wireless switch, if i have an aqara wall switch in my master bedroom and i setup the wall switch (in master bedroom as well) connected to the wireless switch with a gateway, can i switch off/ remove the gateway and the wireless switch can still control the wall switch? thinking how to avoid buying additional gateway.

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post Nov 10 2018, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Nov 10 2018, 02:59 PM)
How much? PM tepi.  biggrin.gif

Both cannot work without the gateway.
Why want to buy additional gateway? Your place too big? Buy Zigbee repeater
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double storey house.

IS this the zigbee repeater?

https://shopee.com.my/Aqara-Smart-Wireless-...3145.1505818347

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post Nov 10 2018, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(robert82 @ Nov 10 2018, 11:18 AM)
Fresh from oven, the neutral on my ac not same phase with my normal switch. All doesn’t work

So I’m shelving my plan now until i can find a nice switch without neutral

If anyone needs Sonoff switches, I have extra for let go .
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how do you know that the neutral on ac is not same phase as the normal switch? Did the power trip?
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post Nov 11 2018, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(robert82 @ Nov 11 2018, 12:10 AM)
Electrician tested .yeah exploded and tripped
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Care to elaborate on the "exploded" part? sweat.gif
Planning to do the same test too...
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post Nov 11 2018, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(robert82 @ Nov 11 2018, 10:41 AM)
Don't recommend bro . I'm not convince of this test method

You can test buy leaving both switches u wanna test on . Then turn off each phase in DB
If both off together then you will know
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Ok bro! Just bought aqara switches today during 1111. Hope it works, else gotta pull neutral wire.

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post Nov 12 2018, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Nov 12 2018, 08:42 AM)
So, your house is 3 phase wiring? Your house has 3 separate RCCD? If one big one with linked switch lever, maybe it is using common N line?
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not too sure. need to check when i visit the house again!
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post Nov 13 2018, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Nov 12 2018, 07:48 PM)
Zigbee devices can transmit data over long distances by passing data through a mesh network of intermediate devices to reach more distant ones.

Zigbee
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can yeelight do the same function?
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post Nov 13 2018, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Nov 13 2018, 10:44 AM)
Yeelight connect using Wifi. So, no it can't
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Thanks for the clarification. will need to consider where to install my gateway to have full coverage for first floor and second floor of my house hmm.gif
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post Nov 15 2018, 11:03 PM

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question, can mi home set rule for switching on a light for X minutes if the motion sensor pickup movement? thinking to include a motion sensor at the staircase area to switch on the light whenever someone is coming up or going down the stair.

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post Nov 16 2018, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(kelembai @ Nov 16 2018, 08:45 AM)
Yes can, just set the turn off the light x min when no motion
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Thank you for the confirmation biggrin.gif
Can proceed with my purchases now, but hopefully the gateway signal can reach second floor...
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QUOTE(Zot @ Nov 12 2018, 08:42 AM)
So, your house is 3 phase wiring? Your house has 3 separate RCCD? If one big one with linked switch lever, maybe it is using common N line?
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Hi sifu, can you advise me if the the ac and lights using common N line? The elcb is not installed yet, still waiting developer to install.

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post Nov 25 2018, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(luvox @ Nov 25 2018, 11:50 AM)
For my condo, ac n lighting point circuit dont share the same neutral line. Ur photo wont tell. U need to get electric circuit diagram from developer to study the neutral line circuit.
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QUOTE(Zot @ Nov 25 2018, 07:09 PM)
First picture shows that the GND are connected to 2 copper bars. The reason for two bars is likely because they don't have longer bar for all GND wire in a single bar. There will be wire joining the two bar, I'm sure

The 2nd picture shows that the N wires are separated into 3 separate bars. Looks like the N are going to be separated but it can't be sure just as yet. Maybe they are going into 1 master 4 pole RCCB or 3 separate 2-pole RCCB. If 3 x 2-pole RCCB, then N has to follow phase. Why not just call developer or the guy in charge of the project and ask. The person can tell you for sure.
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Thanks for the feedback.
I have checked with an electrician who has done reno for the same house. He confirmed that the lights and plugs Neutral wire has separate ELCB, if connect to the wrong ELCB, it will trip both.
He has not done any smart switches before but i explained to him my requirements to have neutral wires for the switches. He advised that it is not difficult to add Neutral wire. Only require to hack out the conduit pipe above the plaster ceiling and pull it to the existing gang. Voila! No unnecessary hacking required! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Archdruid @ Apr 16 2019, 09:57 AM)
Malaysia follow UK wiring standard, no neutral for lighting switch. But there is neutral for AC switch, heater switch, switch socket outlets. Hence, not a requirement to pull neutral to lighting switch.
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my house DB actually separate the lights neutral from switches neutral. My contractor told me if they tried before connecting lights neutral to the switches neutral and it will trip everything. Just a piece of advice to home owners to consider that when pulling neutral for your house. : )


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