well if any of u got a contact, book some tables there and set a time. i'm sure we will try to make it (for me dont make monday or wednesday night ok)

i know its free at shop but mostly are when u change your rubber only ma... i reglue quite often, better feeling when playing... but now i'm using Hai-Fu glue.... so, can it be?

ur haifu is speed glue. when u are using post speed glue era rubber, DO NOT USE VOC glue on tensors or rubbers like tenergy. as these rubbers are not meant for speed glueing, it means that u do not need to reglue bcos u will ruin the rubber if u do. they are not manufactured for reglueing.

This post has been edited by lanatir: Nov 4 2008, 11:50 PM

act i cant really get what u means... erm... is it means that tenergy rubber do not need to reglue? and those high tension rubber like bryce fx also does not need to reglue?

like normal rubber, we often reglue b4 playing right? eh...... still confuse hahaha...

ok to understand what is this all about one must understand speed glue.

what is speed glue? in the late 70s someone decided that reglueing rubbers to the bat using a certain type of glue causes the sponge to expand. this causes the rubber to stretch and increases the tension in the rubber. in effect, this causes more spin and speed but players found that this effect only lasted very soon after reglueing the rubber to the bat and u need to remove and reglue everytime just before you play.

that is speed glue. it is not the regular glue u use to stick the rubber to the bat. it is a glue to make the rubber change its characteristic. ITTF has banned the used to speed glue just after the olympics (1/9/08) because it contains VOC (volatile organic compounds). VOC is not only dangerous to the environment, it is also very bad for health (there have been reports of players fainting after sessions of reglueing). ITTF has also introduced rules that does not allow one to use boosters/tuners to change the characteristic of rubbers. in order to enforce this, ITTF has introduced machines that check for VOC. also, bcos u speedglue, it ruins the rubber very fast.

to counter this, there are 2 main streams of manufacturers that produce 'high tension' rubbers. one is of course the japanese side (mainly butterfly etc) that do their own R&D to produce tensioned rubbers. the other group of manufacturers outsource their rubber manufacturing (with their own specs) to a german factory called ESN. the rubbers from ESN are called TENSORS (u will see the tensor logo on the rubber/packaging). currently tensors are in maybe their 4th generation (latest tensors are pryde, omega III, etc). many chinese, europe and japanese brands outsource to ESN (yasaka, donic, friendship).

generally, these rubbers are treated with some chemicals (maybe boosters, tuners or glue) in the factory for built in speed glue effect that lasts over long periods of time.

the only brand so far from china that have this effect not manufactured in ESN is the dawei inspirit quattro.

so far, DHS has not produced any yet but they have introduced different sponges (like the #19 and the blue sponge) as an alternative.

more and more rubbers and blades are developed now with this in mind.

anyway, these rubbers are not designed to work with speed glue. there have been reports that in some cases some ppl feel that putting speed glue on these rubbers help a bit, others feel that there is no added effect except that the rubbers will rosak faster (because u keep peeling).

in any case the debate is that one may still want to use speed glue as they are addicted to the feeling of speed/spin/nicer click sound but this also causes one to ignore proper technique. speed glue brands like haifu are still being sold (but many other speed glue brands are not available now).

wow!!! rupa-rupanya.. haha.. i know it now.. thanks...

anyway i've never used and will probably never use speed glue. i damn mahfan wanna reglue the rubber each time i wanna play and have to wait for the stupid thing to dome plus rubbers arent exactly cheap to ruin!

Good to see you explained it technically. Thanks lanatir.

What do you think of Palio Maximo ? It made based on TENSOR Tech too.

Currently Im pairing Stiga Innova UL Max with my Arylate Aspyte. Regluing is kinda hassle but I do it for the sake of speed (Yeah Im speed freak), but Im thinking of stopping reglue.

Anyway where do you stay ? We might have a session or two no ?

lanatir go we no need bring bat d lol.....he is technical guy somemore haha

lol
anyway
how ur guy clean ur rubber?

except by those bubble cleanner blah blah blah

i havent used any palios. but i will be trying out the Dawei Inspirit Quattro next since it's a hot topic now. I just got myself another new blade - a Xiom Stradivarius with Zeta on it. had a session today. it's still not as fast as my KKT jpen with tenergy but my experience with the Zeta tensor is that i prefer it over Pryde bcos the close table is a bit better and the rubber feels a bit faster too. I love the Strad.

As an Arylate blade user, you must love speed for sure and you must surely be skilled to be using such a setup. u're welcome to join me at UTAR campus (section 13 pj campus behind Jaya one) during our sessions though i scared i will be thrashed by you hahaah...

blue16, most people use clean water. i actually am using the Andro rubber cleaning foam which i think does wonders and a can lasts so long!

technical theory only... apa skill pun tadak

Come come we go join lanatir lanatir any public transport accessible in your area? Mind to lend me your "Excalibur" or not if I have chance to go? Hehe...

i'm sure got public transport but pls inform me in advance as my group is almost full now. yes u're welcome to try my blade if u're a penholder.

This post has been edited by lanatir: Nov 6 2008, 09:40 AM

Penholder? So bad Or we make the other session for LYN members? Sounds nice huh?

i think the above suggestion for playing at CHS is good

yeah!! i want to join also haha.. but.. got public transport go to CHS?? hehe... i'm not familiar to kl places hahaha...

Im using TSP water based spray, you can use it for a year or two, very small amount of quantity you spray and rub it with sponge.

http://www.robbinstabletennis.com/images/spray-cleaner.jpg

I heard of it about Dawei Inspirit Quattro too. Anyway, how much you got your Xiom ? You must be skillful using these kind of blade. Anyway, Im eyeing for KTS Jpen (Hinoki), how much would it be ? If you come across any good deal on it do let us know aite.

Last time my coach introduced the Arylate blade, perhaps he noticed I am failed in spinning . No no, Im not skilled, should be average only. Judging from your explanation about TT, you sure do have lotsa experience and skills. So "i scared i will be thrashed by you" scenario definitely wont gonna happen

Where is CHS anyway ?

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Added on November 6, 2008, 2:20 pmDUCK YOU !!!! YOU HAVE KTS IN YOUR POSSESSION ! I didnt notice until I scroll back to previous page ! Helluva of collection there !

p/s : And nice photography too

This post has been edited by mizivincible: Nov 6 2008, 02:21 PM

Dawei Inspire Quattro is 47
KTS around 440-450

So we are going to have a table tennis session soon, huh?
Don't forget me.

This post has been edited by keyser soze: Nov 6 2008, 05:58 PM