Malaysia = stone age country

true. ended up separated.

They have to keluar Malaysia after they murtad.
Lina Joy is most famous case cos she went to the courts.

Another lesser known is Yeshua Jamaludin, they even arrested him under ISA. The moment his lawyers managed to get him released he keluar to western country.
There are others like him but officially, in Malaysia, they are muslim.

Basically like this. With regards to religion, a muslim must go to syariah court to apply if she/he no longer wants to be a muslim. Many cases blown out of porpotion because they go to civil court straight which have no authority in this type of cases.

Technically and legally a muslim is able to hand over their muslim/malay status via the syariah court. I don't say it's easy but doable.

And again I ask. Technically and legally sure, but has there been an ACTUAL case of a born malay Muslim managed to go through the system and change his/her religion on IC?

No, must convert, what do you think my religion can play play one ah? God also facepalm to see this kind of mixing.

In 2011, 135 out of 686 were approved. I'm not sure out of 135 how many are born malay/muslim. I am also wondering why since people always claiming religion is a personal matter why then they do need to advertise their conversion to public ? I accept it's logical here from non-muslim to convert to muslims because they can get the bumiputra status for whatever it's worth but from muslim to non-muslim, what for ? So that they can eat in public freely during ramadan ? Why does have to make some sort of 'almost' political statment when they already believe that religion should be private ?

You want until the day you die your body also kena rebut sinisana ?

Aiya why so many nonsense and hearsay in this thread. People can't read issit?

You're almost right. Certain states have their own fatwa on this.
Perlis for example, allow this. Fatwa from Perlis

I've answered many similar question regarding this in the past.

SUMMARY
Islam (general)
- Muslim man allowed to marry Christian or Jewish(because Muslim also believes in Torah & Bible) woman
- Non-Muslim man will never be able to marry Muslim woman without converting

Malaysia specific
- Muslim man allowed to marry Christian or Jewish woman in some state (sadly many Muslim also didn't know this)
- Non-Muslim man will never be able to marry Muslim woman without converting

But I know you mean Ahli Kitab. Pada dasarnya harus. Tapi in Malaysia both need to be Islam only the nikah can be halal.
If you want merid with them , they need to still beriman pada Allah dan pada rasul-rasul . They must be who follow the original taurat & injil . Not a new testament.

Syarat Sah Nikah
Syarat bakal suami
Islam
Lelaki yang tertentu
Bukan lelaki mahram dengan bakal isteri
Mengetahui wali yang sebenar bagi akad nikah tersebut
Bukan dalam ihram haji atau umrah
Dengan kerelaan sendiri dan bukan paksaan
Tidak mempunyai empat orang isteri yang sah dalam satu masa
Mengetahui bahawa perempuan yang hendak dikahwini adalah sah dijadikan isteri

Syarat bakal isteri
Islam
Perempuan yang tertentu
Bukan perempuan mahram dengan bakal suami
Bukan seorang khunsa
Bukan dalam ihram haji atau umrah
Tidak dalam idah
Bukan isteri orang

This post has been edited by rekaito90: Apr 15 2015, 01:33 PM

That would be major oversight by Perlis wouldn't it? What you're saying is true for most states, but definitely not Perlis. To be specific, Perlis have differing views on how to define Ahli Kitab.
Dr Asri start this during his first stint as Mufti. Dr Juanda Jaya continue with same opinion. Now Dr Asri is Mufti again, he's still firm on this definition.

Differing opinion between Mufti is no big deal, Islam celebrate that as long as it doesn't contradict Quran. So Perlis Mufti view on this are definitely acceptable.
Rukun you highlighted is standard rukun given out by Majlis Fatwa Kebangsaan. So there is no question about 'Halal'ness or 'Haram'ness of this marriage. Perlis fatwa says its Halal, so its Halal there.

You'll see more example in East Malaysia. Lots of Muslim men marry non-Muslim women, and Malaysian civil & syariah law respect that legal union. I know because I befriend few of these couples.

Note: This is one of the issue that I highlighted during open discussion with Jabatan Agama few years back, when there's an idea by some narrow-minded group to disallow non-Muslim from entering mosque few years back.

Is it? I'm not sure how to consume this but if you are already disscuss with jabatan etc then who am I to object back . But if I am sure, Ahli Kitab who is belief in Injil and Taurat ( This is about the correct view on Ahli Kitab , should be this way) when before the Jew convert it to old testament bible and new bible. If the person already belief that Isa is the son of god then he/she not already Ahli Kitab.

If she's hindu or buddha then also cannot be marriage. Only Ahli Kitab (is the one who believe in Allah and prophets , before Muhammad was born and Al Quran is complete on Muhammad time )

This post has been edited by rekaito90: Apr 15 2015, 02:08 PM

Yes. This is my own interpretation with regards to Ahli-Kitab. Even having this discussion without various muslims from all over the world. However there are those back then who still follow the old Jewish law and not relying on the later Talmudic laws.

USA master race is exceptional mah,

including Europe master race too

Yea exactly, it is said , in fatwa perlis

"Mesyuarat juga bersetuju bahawa maksud Ahli Kitab secara umum ialah ‘orang-orang yang masih berpegang kepada Kitab Taurat dan Injil walaupun kitab itu sudah diselewengkan (Bible, old testament & new testament) sebelum Al-Quran diturunkan’. Tetapi Al-Quran masih menganggap mereka itu Ahli Kitab."

But nowadays mana ada Ahli Kitab dah, if ada I'm not sure where they are, sekarang only Islam (al quran) ,christian (bible) . Syia' is not real Islam, it is completely messed.

This post has been edited by rekaito90: Apr 15 2015, 02:37 PM

Syiah believes that they are true muslim.

Dr Asri argument is, even during Prophet Muhammad time, most Christian and Jews already follow the 'altered' version of the Books(trinity et al). I couldn't find the Youtube video I watched a while back where he explain on this issue, its part of longer ceramah of which the title I already forgotten.

And to clarify, the thing with Jabatan Agama is in regard to general hukum of marriage, so that ruling of non-Muslim barred from entering mosque will not be applicable, ever. I didn't discuss with them regarding Perlis fatwa specifically.

I attended a wedding, malay lady & french guy. They tak suka the conversion bit.. so they KELUAR lor...

How can they believe they are true muslim when they hate Muhammad SAW? Lol