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stringfellow
post Mar 29 2017, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(Upsilon @ Mar 29 2017, 01:20 PM)
the cheapest i can find @ digital mall seksyen 14 top floor

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/11181/a-look...r-consumption/3
probably needn't to worry too much as long as u dun buy those 10-20 bucks cable
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Scroll back a few pages, I've done my research. Trusting on the cheapest USB-C cable is more dangerous than going through the approved list. I'm familiar with the USB-PD standard and the Benson Leung and Nathan.K approved list of cables and charger. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vnp...9f_TX8/pubhtml#

What cable length is it? What brand? Short of getting the J5Create cable which is the best possible cable available (which I have looked, that particular variant isn't sold here, only the crappier model is stocked at Viewnet Low Yat Plaza)' the Apple USB-C cable I have is the next best thing.
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post Mar 29 2017, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 29 2017, 01:45 PM)
Scroll back a few pages, I've done my research. Trusting  on the cheapest USB-C cable is more dangerous than going through the approved list. I'm familiar with the USB-PD standard and the Benson Leung and Nathan.K approved list of cables and charger. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vnp...9f_TX8/pubhtml#

What cable length is it? What brand? Short of getting the J5Create cable which is the best possible cable available (which I have looked, that particular variant isn't sold here, only the crappier model is stocked at Viewnet Low Yat Plaza)' the Apple USB-C cable I have is the next best thing.
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yep some folks did some experiments to see how much power is drawn by using non compliant usb-c cables.. (cheap cables without chipsets inside to handle voltage regulation or something like that) can draw enough power to potentially lower the life of your gadget or even outright fry it...
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QUOTE(tnsai @ Mar 29 2017, 01:47 PM)
yep some folks did some experiments to see how much power is drawn by using non compliant usb-c cables.. (cheap cables without chipsets inside to handle voltage regulation or something like that) can draw enough power to potentially lower the life of your gadget or even outright fry it...
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But those are cheap A to C cables, no?
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post Mar 29 2017, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(Upsilon @ Mar 29 2017, 01:49 PM)
But those are cheap A to C cables, no?
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USB-A-to-C has built-in physical limitation by the USB-A standards itself to stay at maximum 3A with voltage regulation by the charger side. USB-A is only capable of 3A at maximum, with voltage swing between 5V and 9V, with maximum wattage never exceeding 24W. Anything more than that, the charging standard is proprietary, whether it is Qualcomm's QuickCharge, or Samsung's FastCharge, or those VOOC fast chargers, these have proprietary PCBs in them, and designed only to supply higher charge wattage ONLY when combined with their respective devices (Qualcomm QC2.0/3.0 only gets fast charge at higher wattage when combined with their respective devices, the same with Samsung's version of FastCharge, etc.....else these chargers will drop to the lowest safe level, charging slowly at 5V 2.4A rate). It's USB-C with PD rating that is capable of carrying up to 20V 5A (100W) that you need to worry about, NOT USB-A-to-C. Like I mentioned earlier, I've done my research. USB-C with improper PD rating or Split-PDO (USB-C PD combined with implementation of Quickcharge or any type of of similar fast charging that is not USB-PD) that will fry your cable, brownout your charger and the equipment you're charging.

The "frying" isn't immediate, it's gradual. Cheap USB-C cable cannot regulate current draw from the charger, and you combine that with falsely advertised USB-C charger, will cause a "brownout". A gradual but ultimately fatal burnout of charger itself. Look up Nathan.K and Benson Leung's Google+ posts. Nathan has blown a PC while testing horribly implemented cables and chargers, while Benson lost ports on his Pixel C laptop doing his reports of bad cables/chargers. China-branded companies loves to take shortcuts, but with Amazon reviews that Benson posted, and Nathan's own articles and posts on Google+ (Nathan and Benson works for Google), has forced these manufacturers to stop cutting corners manufacturing potentially fatal chargers and cable. Imagine you sleeping at night, while your USB-C devices charging, with dangerous cables and chargers, you're effectively turning your house into a fire hazard trap. Hence the Google Doc list I quoted earlier.

USB-C and USB-C PD standards were set, but since this is a transitional period, where users still have old USB-A devices and moving to newly purchased USB-C devices, manufacturers of cables and chargers are scrambling to take advantage of this by mass-producing chargers and cables rapidly irregardless of quality control, that flaunts these standards. You simply cannot combine USB-C with PD with any other form of fast charging, the same goes for cables and chargers. Doing so means the manufacturers have violated the USB-C standards of delivering charge to devices and that ultimately means you're risking browning out your USB-C devices, or worse, burning down your house while you sleep at night.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Mar 29 2017, 02:35 PM
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post Mar 29 2017, 03:39 PM

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Not promoting the seller (you can try finding the same model outside) but if you dont wanna think too much about this cable, PD things, this cable over here ought to do it all.

Pros:
+ Benson-approved
+ USB-IF certified
+ Capable of USB PD charging
+ USB 3.1 speed (Apple C-C is good as a charging cable however transfer speed is limited to USB 2.0 spec which is slow considering its price; not good for transferring stuff)

Cons
- Short @ 1M length

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QUOTE(emy_xvidia @ Mar 29 2017, 03:39 PM)
Not promoting the seller (you can try finding the same model outside) but if you dont wanna think too much about this cable, PD things, this cable over here ought to do it all.

Pros:
+ Benson-approved
+ USB-IF certified
+ Capable of USB PD charging
+ USB 3.1 speed (Apple C-C is good as a charging cable however transfer speed is limited to USB 2.0 spec which is slow considering its price; not good for transferring stuff)

Cons
- Short @ 1M length
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Yup this works as well. Used widely for USB PD investigation. The deep dive I posted with regards to the Xiaomi QB820 powerbank, the tester also use this particular cable.

I only need to charge, I don't need to transfer anything, nor do I have any USB-C device that requires transfer of large file sizes. That short cable length however, will work nicely with the portable outdoor setup I'm using right now. Matches the all black setup too. Good find.

The Apple cable I'm using is RM89. Cheaper and is 2M length.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Mar 29 2017, 03:52 PM
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post Mar 29 2017, 04:13 PM

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Just completed the return of that Tronsmart charger back to Lazada, while on the way to watch a movie at Pavilion. Quick and painless.

Also purchased that Belkin cable on Superbuy via Maybank Treatpoints. God knows how I neglected spending these points. tongue.gif

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post Mar 29 2017, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(emy_xvidia @ Mar 29 2017, 03:39 PM)
Not promoting the seller (you can try finding the same model outside) but if you dont wanna think too much about this cable, PD things, this cable over here ought to do it all.

Pros:
+ Benson-approved
+ USB-IF certified
+ Capable of USB PD charging
+ USB 3.1 speed (Apple C-C is good as a charging cable however transfer speed is limited to USB 2.0 spec which is slow considering its price; not good for transferring stuff)

Cons
- Short @ 1M length
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1M is actually the correct length according to the spec
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus6P/comments/3...es_with_benson/
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post Mar 29 2017, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 29 2017, 01:45 PM)
Scroll back a few pages, I've done my research. Trusting  on the cheapest USB-C cable is more dangerous than going through the approved list. I'm familiar with the USB-PD standard and the Benson Leung and Nathan.K approved list of cables and charger. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vnp...9f_TX8/pubhtml#

What cable length is it? What brand? Short of getting the J5Create cable which is the best possible cable available (which I have looked, that particular variant isn't sold here, only the crappier model is stocked at Viewnet Low Yat Plaza)' the Apple USB-C cable I have is the next best thing.
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is the Apple/Belkin F2CD082ds0.5MBKA
similar to this 0.5m thunderbolt cable?

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QUOTE(Upsilon @ Mar 29 2017, 04:40 PM)
1M is actually the correct length according to the spec
https://www.reddit.com/r/Nexus6P/comments/3...es_with_benson/
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The length he mentioned was in comparison to the Apple 2M USB-C cable.
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post Mar 29 2017, 07:30 PM

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Fuh all this and that, i charge with the adapter je.
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post Mar 29 2017, 08:47 PM

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Just finished AmFilm Tempered Glass Screen Protector for Nintendo Switch smile.gif

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I still have 1 more glass, who interest?
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Anyone know can recommend a shop to get an extra pair of joycon controller?
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QUOTE(y2kiat @ Mar 29 2017, 08:47 PM)
Just finished AmFilm Tempered Glass Screen Protector for Nintendo Switch smile.gif
I still have 1 more glass, who interest?
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Looks good, how thight is it when docked.
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post Mar 29 2017, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 29 2017, 03:50 PM)
Yup this works as well. Used widely for USB PD investigation. The deep dive I posted with regards to the Xiaomi QB820 powerbank, the tester also use this particular cable.

I only need to charge, I don't need to transfer anything, nor do I have any USB-C device that requires transfer of large file sizes. That short cable length however, will work nicely with the portable outdoor setup I'm using right now. Matches the all black setup too. Good find.

The Apple cable I'm using is RM89. Cheaper and is 2M length.
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Hi boss,
i using the same Apple 2M USB - C to USB - C cable pair with Xiao Mi Power Bank 2 Pro 10000.
The problem is, my Switch keep charging the power bank, instead of the power bank charge the Switch.

Why ah?
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QUOTE(ahhann @ Mar 29 2017, 10:38 PM)
Hi boss,
i using the same Apple 2M USB - C to USB - C cable pair with Xiao Mi Power Bank 2 Pro 10000.
The problem is, my Switch keep charging the power bank, instead of the power bank charge the Switch.

Why ah?
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Does that Xiaomi model support USB-PD charging? If it isnt, then it can "see-saw" charging between your Switch and your powerbank, unless there's a charge mode that your powerbank can do to initiate the charge to the Switch, not the other way round. With USB-C, any devices that sports that port can charge each other, unless one device declares itself as master, and the other a slave. Check your powerbank user manual.

If it doesn't work, try this: Turn your Switch completely off. Not standby, not sleep mode, completely off. While leaving the Switch off, plug your USB-C cable from the powerbank to the Switch and observe if the charging notification comes on the top left (top left when the Switch is completely off, top right when the Switch is turned on and/or in sleep mode). IF that doesn't work, tap the power button to put your Switch into sleep mode, and then plug in the powerbank. Otherwise, , you either need to consult the manual for that feature I mentioned earlier (master/slave), or worse come to worse, charge using USB-A-to-USB-C cable at reduced charge rate delivery.

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post Mar 29 2017, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Mar 29 2017, 10:45 PM)
Does that Xiaomi model support USB-PD charging? If it isnt, then it can "see-saw" charging between your Switch and your powerbank, unless there's a charge mode that your powerbank can do to initiate the charge to the Switch, not the other way round. With USB-C, any devices that sports that port can charge each other, unless one device declares itself as master, and the other a slave. Check your powerbank user manual.

If it doesn't work, try this: Turn your Switch completely off. Not standby, not sleep mode, completely off. While leaving the Switch off, plug your USB-C cable from the powerbank to the Switch and observe if the charging notification comes on the top left (top left when the Switch is completely off, top right when the Switch is turned on and/or in sleep mode). IF that doesn't work, tap the power button to put your Switch into sleep mode, and then plug in the powerbank. Otherwise, , you either need to consult the manual for that feature I mentioned earlier (master/slave), or worse come to worse, charge using USB-A-to-USB-C cable at reduced charge rate delivery.
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Tested. Completely off the Switch does see it got Charge at a very high speed. Around 1% one minute.
Also, if i use the Power Bank stock USB-A to USB-C cable, it can charge the Switch while playing Zelda, but the charge rate is much slower when playing Zelda. It's charging with power percentage going up slowly.

Conclusion, i wasted RM79 for the Apple cable .... don't want always power down Switch just for charge.
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QUOTE(ahhann @ Mar 29 2017, 10:59 PM)
Tested. Completely off the Switch does see it got Charge at a very high speed. Around 1% one minute.
Also, if i use the Power Bank stock USB-A to USB-C cable, it can charge the Switch while playing Zelda, but the charge rate is much slower when playing Zelda. It's charging with power percentage going up slowly.

Conclusion, i wasted RM79 for the Apple cable .... don't want always power down Switch just for charge.
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That is not the fault of the cable, it is the nature of USB-C PD charging. IF you don't either reboot the Switch or charge it from sleep mode, it'll not recognise the charging device or reverse-charge away from the Switch to the powerbank.
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stringfellow, can i use the Switch power adapter to charge Xiaomi QB820?
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