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waja2000
post Mar 13 2015, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(OvenBaked @ Mar 13 2015, 05:49 PM)
Can, but make sure high end punya lar, like type 052d ke
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052D very cheap only, last week during china annual session of the largely rubber-stamp National People's Congress, the military report said cost 052D only about usd 500 million+ biggrin.gif , 054A about usd 300 million

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post Mar 13 2015, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Mar 13 2015, 05:55 PM)
Looks like that it was not the request from the RMN.
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sometime like political procurement is needed (military asset)
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post Mar 13 2015, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Mar 13 2015, 06:53 PM)
Same here I hope they opt for mrss instead.
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QUOTE(thpace @ Mar 13 2015, 07:11 PM)
Poltical purchase... maybe the  navy can convince them to buy mrsss for the price of that two offered ships
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me too,
remember few week ago, i ok for this
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http://www.janes.com/article/49538/idex-20...new-lpd-concept

but if we buy china frigate, we still want to buy that DMSE ship?
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post Mar 13 2015, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(madoka @ Mar 13 2015, 07:18 PM)
Malaysia should get Chang Bai Shan class LPD instead of more corvette or frigates, you need them most
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that 071 LPD size too big for our navy, it size about 20K tons,we want somethink like Makassar class LPD
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post Mar 13 2015, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Mar 13 2015, 07:25 PM)
China did offer us smaller displacement one
But can tukar for hq-9 kah? Hahaha
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FM80 (HQ7)change to HHQ16 ok lah, 40km range cukup loh. Gowind only 20km je.. brows.gif
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post Mar 13 2015, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(madoka @ Mar 13 2015, 07:25 PM)
it should be fine, as you no need them in larger number, just two hull with consideration of Operational rotation and maintenance will be enough.
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other reason is our Navy base very small too. to park also question, few time warship got Collide in base.

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post Mar 13 2015, 09:32 PM

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QUOTE(cunnilinguist @ Mar 13 2015, 08:00 PM)
I just hope they don't do stupid things like chinese-bloc weapon on western FCS or vice versa.
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why not, is good combination, with advance western Radar and cheap chinese missile (weapon), suite to as lack of budget
FYI, Algeria C28A (same frigate in news sales to RMN too) is using Thales Smart-S 3D radar (same with Gowind) than Mix chinese system (Combat system) using chinese weapon, and each C28A warship about usd 100-150 million only. 1/5 our Gowind Price, about 40-50% of DSME propose corvette Price.
and chinese shipyard newest warship already start using international standard and protocol to design/construct warship, so mix Chinese/western system not a issue. biggrin.gif

if u add a bit money, event can get more powerful frigate better than Gowind in 50% of our Gowind price.
like this one

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http://chinesemilitaryreview.blogspot.com/...ce-frigate.html

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post Mar 14 2015, 12:10 AM

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QUOTE(cunnilinguist @ Mar 13 2015, 11:34 PM)
Because it's not like lego block that can be plugged and played. Weapon, radar and subsequent system integration costs millions and even then there is no guarantee that it is going to run seamlessly.

One of the shining example is Bangladeshi BNS Bangabandhu, it is only commisioned less than a year before being decommissioned and it took Daewoo another 6 years to get it running before being recommisioned. Even after that there are still issues that surfaces every now and then.
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that is Deawoo .... now is China shipyard, different liao.
well first Algeria C28A already commissioned and ship already back to algeria ... sea trail also fine in system and weapon test.
well chinese own system already very mature, now they already successful integrate Thales Radar in to ship.
event now they said can integrate customer prefer system if wan it.

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post Mar 14 2015, 03:38 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Mar 14 2015, 02:38 AM)
I think u got terbalik

China deliver the ship and its integrated weapons, then the ship sail to Algeria. Once arrived, only Thales will start the integration process under their supervision.
The radar hardware are installed first but all the software will only be loaded once the ship arrived at Algeria home port..

Therefore, you cant say there wont be any problem because the actual integration have not start. Just hardware installation. icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif

I can see thales staff will be cursing how to integrate  laugh.gif
But all the system are standalone system, they can operate on its own. The hard part of integration getting all the stand alone system to work together as one. That the purpose of combat management system 
Quality wise, i would rather thrust Korea

But since it basic hull... sure why not use china.  rolleyes.gif
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not really,
it not basic hull, all weapon is chinese, except Radar.
went u got read news report from china on Algeria C28A, than u know,
the designer talk about this ship, how integrated with western system (radar) on how on compatible system
than they special design mix system to get it work, than how there (china combat system) control navy gun and missile,
also talk about sea trail on this ship to test weapon with good results, and achieve target。
basically Thales job not much already.
china product need read more on china news.


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post Mar 14 2015, 02:15 PM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Mar 14 2015, 03:58 AM)
Again i think u mistaken

All those system are stand alone system. Meaning they can work ownself even without a centralised cms.

Thales won the contract for cms and they have to intergrate it fully. It can be done not impossible but time consuming

What china designer talking about is how they intergrate the whole design into the ship. Basically telling the world "my ship i can design what you want with whatever mix system i also can do for you provided u buy from me"

Funny... the ship have not even hand over to algeria already say it commissioned ?
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no point to argue loh,
you think they using Thales CMS
Chinese said they (C28A) using Chinese FCS/CMS and Automation system, integreted Thales radar.
than every one have own believe loh. biggrin.gif
hopefully still buy LDP compare to C28A.

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post Mar 14 2015, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Mar 14 2015, 01:44 PM)
RMAF first A400M touching down at subang airbase

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Credit to [Panggilan Pertiwi]
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finally reach liao, not as report on sunday.
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post Mar 14 2015, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Mar 14 2015, 03:34 PM)
rclxms.gif
tapi hanger belum siap  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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subang should have alot ex-mas hanger right ?
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post Mar 15 2015, 12:03 AM

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RMAF A400M become politic tools ... send cargo to Antarctica

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=809...&type=1&theater

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post Mar 15 2015, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(junchuan @ Mar 15 2015, 10:58 AM)
Does anybody know what are the takeoff distances of our fighters? Anyone knows if we can operate them off Pulau Layang-Layang?
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all fighters can take off in 500-600 meter, than Pulau Layang have 1400 meter run way.
should no fighters operate Palau Layang,

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post Mar 15 2015, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(Dreadstar @ Mar 15 2015, 11:59 AM)
tak paham la abang. minta pencerahan ...
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just red word said "6400? send what cargo to Antarctica"
back image is news paper said RMAF receive A400M.
mainly try convince people that Gov wasting money about RM 3.5 billion. laugh.gif

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post Mar 15 2015, 08:20 PM

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QUOTE(OvenBaked @ Mar 15 2015, 04:51 PM)
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Nuri new camo?

Photo from MMP fb
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46 tahun helicopter pun mahu pakai lagi, cry.gif
dont know askar naik helicopter ini takut or not.
pilot pun taku-taku.
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post Mar 15 2015, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(OvenBaked @ Mar 15 2015, 08:35 PM)
Kan dah banyak kali upgrade
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well body/structure pun semua tak tukar
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post Mar 15 2015, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(OvenBaked @ Mar 15 2015, 08:43 PM)
Kalau nak tukar body, baik beli baru terus laugh.gif
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biasanya helicopter airframe boleh pakai 30 saja.... Nuri banyak kali upgrade 40 tahan pun sudah max, tudm 46 tahun masih pakai...
tapi ambil risk sendiri.
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post Mar 15 2015, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(OvenBaked @ Mar 15 2015, 09:25 PM)
Money money money
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money not big issue, just how plan to get it. affcouse Mindef mind set。
it can buy small quantity like each year 2 unit.
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post Mar 16 2015, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(KYPMbangi @ Mar 16 2015, 02:56 PM)
Interesting entry in sipri 2014 for malaysia

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ok, 6 ship for usd 1.2 billion about each 200 million, wait to see NMEL how much sell to RMN.

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