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post Apr 24 2016, 01:47 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Mar 31 2016, 01:28 AM)
samsung 850 evo comes with 5-year warranty. the price should be a bit higher than 400. i haven't seen anything with warranty that long and is under 400 price tag.
i use the same ssd optimizations from thessdreview.com since w7 until w10. (it's been rewritten several times but it's almost the same. for w7 sp1, remember to run windows experience index once after a fresh install. it makes the system recognize ssd and make certain optimizations automatically) additionally, i use ram disk to house user temporary folders and web browser cache (softperfect ramdisk), and ram cache (romex primocache) to reduce writes to ssd.

read carefully each of the ssd optimizations. only apply those that do not impact your common use. (since all of them don't impact my usage so i apply them all, including hibernate file that is used for fastboot) if you have a samsung drive, you can use its magician software for the same purpose.

with all the above, the outcomes are great (at least in my case), eg. after 3 years+ of using m5pro 512gb x2, each drive is still at 100% health.
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Thanks for telling ,
I wonder , currently for budget wise
Hyper X-Fury vs LiteOn (which you mention before) which one will be better for 240GB ? on performance ?
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post Jul 2 2016, 11:28 PM

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Just wanted to ask , where to get floppy bracket convert to 2.5 inch for ssd ? or 3.5 to 2.5 bracket for ssd ?
Does ssd screw hold different from 2.5 hard disk bracket ?
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post Jul 10 2016, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jul 4 2016, 09:00 AM)
I mean floppy bay size to 2.5 inch mounting caddy.

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Half-height drive bays are 1.625″ high by 5.75″ wide (41.3 mm × 146.1 mm), and are the standard housing for CD and DVD drives in modern computers, but were sometimes used for other things, including hard disk drives and floppy disk drives in the past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_bay
What is the size of floppy bay ? because it's smaller than 3.5 size .If buy 3.5 to 2.5 caddy bracket it'll not fit.

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post Jul 10 2016, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jul 10 2016, 08:19 PM)
It's the same thing
Floppy drive is 3.5 inch. Same size with desktop HDD
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If really the same , will get one of the bracket. I though different.
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post Aug 27 2016, 07:48 PM

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An old laptop with Sata I port 2.5 inch.Do you think ssd vs hybrid hard disk for seagate comparing both. Which will be have significance different in boot up speed ?

But seldom see any shop selling seagate hybrid and it's only 8GB of ssd which is far less than I though.

If it's an ssd , which one would be the best cheapest choice consider

-storage required 128GB
-MLC for long term usage
-Compatible with sata I
-Using windows 7

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post Aug 31 2016, 02:37 AM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Aug 29 2016, 10:17 AM)
Not worth the upgrade unless you just want better performance and not utilizing the full potential of SSD.
Get the cheapest possible SSD will do, Kingston SSD UV400 120GB around RM170, or maybe you can get lower using Lazada discount.
I have friend wanting the best Samsung EVO 850, just because you can transfer to new laptop later on if you planned for new laptop.
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Actually what is the different on reading files on Sata I port for old laptop SSD vs 5400rpm ? There no plan for tranfering to a new laptop but currently do you think SSD UV400 will work well vs compare to Intel 320 ?

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post Sep 6 2016, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(sHawTY @ Sep 5 2016, 12:05 PM)
Thank you for the list , but which of them and batches are using MLC ?
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post Sep 17 2016, 01:34 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 15 2016, 08:31 AM)
this one looks good. it's rare to find a new sata ssd with mlc nand for mainstream market these days (mostly are going tlc).
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So no more MLC base SSD ? not even 1 ?
What about Intel SSD ?
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post Sep 21 2016, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 17 2016, 02:45 AM)
i mean they are getting rare in mainstream segment.

these days for sata ssd we have 3 tiers: entry-level/value, mainstream, and professional. (i think the same will apply to other variants too in near future, eg. pcie/nvme ssd) you still can get mlc ssd for professional tier.

a good mlc ssd still depends on technologies implemented (core and supporting). remember not all mlc nand are fast. as an example, for mlc nand itself, there are different technology implementations for mlc nand, hence some mlc nand produced based on older generations of technical specifications are actually slower.

this was why it's such a fuss about kingston's nand swap incident few years ago, http://www.anandtech.com/show/7763/an-upda...wer-micron-nand (pay attention to the bandwidth provided by each nand)

in short, choose toshiba's/samsung's toggle mode nand (toggle mode ddr), or those based on new onfi standards.

not many people really know what they're talking about sometimes about mlc nand type. toggle mode nand is actually a type of asynchronous nand. in the above report (and many other well-known ones) they made it sounded like it's synchronous vs asynchronous nand, which was wrong technically.

edit: additional reading if you wanna know more, http://www.samsung.com/global/business/sem...itepaper03.html
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I had read through the links , not fully understand but able to get a few more information about SSD.
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So many model to choose posted by sHawTY , do you think any different compare to same brand same price but different gen ?
Liteon MU II 240GB vs Liteon SCS-256-L9S
are both of them same performance and nand ? because I see very little benchmark about both of them I mean Liteon brand.

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post Sep 24 2016, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Sep 21 2016, 11:21 PM)
for plextor/liteon, yes there are differences; not significant if they're for normal use though. from the list, m6pro is what i will choose. it's the only performance sata ssd.

as for Liteon MU II 240GB vs Liteon SCS-256-L9S, mu ii is tlc ssd, while scs-256-l9s runs on mlc nand.
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Thanks for the reply smile.gif Are those liteon version using ONFI 2 or 3 ? As I know toggle mode only use by samsung and toshiba and NVMHCI is for microsoft .

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post Oct 5 2016, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 2 2016, 12:39 AM)
The last time (and the only time) i had this was because of sudden power loss. (Ssd as external storage) All data were gone. After a power recycling, initialized and formatted, it's still 100% health (using it till now)
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I dont understand about SSD where you mention about sudden power loss.I though SSD can actually prevent data loss comapre to hard disk when no electric while using the pc ?
I read somewhere the r/w speed fast enough to prevent data being loss or corrupted rather than hard disk of sudden electric cut.
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post Oct 7 2016, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 6 2016, 02:56 AM)
if not handled properly, things like power loss will still happen. in my case, i disconnected the drive from computer while apparently something were still working in background with the ssd.

no, not all ssd has power loss prevention feature. however, it's not really a problem. (unless your area has a bad power supply in general; if that's the case, an ups will help reduce the risks)
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Problem area is having electric power instability , it's like 1 sec whole house no light then 1 sec later got light.The pc auto turn off and on back.
How do we call it in electric terms ?
UPS really can prevent it ? Looks like SSD is more sensitive then hard disk when comes to power ? what do you mean by power loss prevention feature ? not all SSD have it on the electric board ?
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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 7 2016, 01:55 AM)
sudden blackout? haha i am not sure too

surely ups can help. it's like a laptop with a functional battery. to me both hdd and ssd are susceptible to power loss. hdd has higher risks because of movable parts.

technically the true power loss prevention is a feature in some enterprise ssd. for consumer ssd, some do advertise that they have it, but its capability is usually limited (eg. only protect data at-rest, not on-the-fly like those found in enterprise ssd).

how important and practical is this feature to us consumers? it really depends. imo it's good to have it, but not really necessary.
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Yep , it is similar like sudden blackout and it just a 3 sec recover back.The whole pc restart. Urban area I guess :*(
While searching understand only few line but not sure it's true https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ssd-po...ection.2452606/ , I saw Intel 320 have those protection but does still selling ?
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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 7 2016, 03:43 AM)
if you're living in such an area, it's good to have an ups. it's not only for ssd but your whole system.

the guy in the thread described the true power loss protection. the part he said ups being irrelevant is kind of true in his context, but the main point of having ups is to protect a computer system from typical power loss scenarios, not the ones he described.

intel 320 is a very old drive. i don't think you should look for it purposely. (or to get those enterprise ssd just for this feature; they are expensive)
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What kind of UPS is reliable , when comes to brand , I know nothing about UPS ?
The best method is period of sync or backup data ? Even now why ssd doesn't have this kind of features . Why does Intel 320 have them where other doesn't ?
Does SSD support smart function ? where should I look if SSD is getting wear out ?

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post Oct 11 2016, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Oct 8 2016, 02:49 AM)
for ups, you have to start research. i am not familiar with ups either.

performing regular backups for data is a good practice. backups saved me many times already. the absence of the feature imo is related to manufacturing costs, and the relative low risks to suffer data loss from sudden power loss these days.

yes, ssd have smart functions. free tools like crystal diskinfo can show you ssd health. for normal use, it's not easy to wear it out.
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My current hard disk having power off retract more than 30 times , it concern more since it related with power loss when r/w . So if SSD encouter something like it , will it able to preserve the data ?
As for UPS , it's expensive when doing searching where I need something like 1200 va but I also worry it will exploded like GNote 7 sweat.gif .
Really hard to think it , better might as well as buy and use and do backup to both Pendrive and hard disk.

Just wonder , does SSD still haven't mature yet to the point of data loss ? hardware+firmware ? cost cutting ?
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post Apr 7 2017, 01:27 AM

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Which SSD is worth to buy which working without issue or less rma or sudden failure without warning sign ?
As I know all are TLC base.240GB for normal storage OS and few programs.
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post Apr 9 2017, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 7 2017, 02:16 AM)
in general, go for well-known brands in the market. (e.g. intel, samsung, crucial, kingston, sandisk) the general rule always applies: you get what you pay for.

to share some experience about my previous purchase; all were bought last year, and used for office work with occasional non-heavy file transfers only: out of 6 transcend s370 that i have (4x sata; 2x msata), one of them failed with initial symptoms of a dying hard drive. (e.g. experienced sudden slow speed for reads / writes; it is detected properly in bios; but i couldn't access it with various tools including diskpart) in the same batch i also have kingston savage (sata, 2x), kingston msata ssd (m.2 sata; forgot models; 2x) and samsung 850 evo (m.2 sata, more than 10). none of them have issues so far.

maybe it's just luck. to prevent downtime i have ordered few units as buffers in case of emergencies.

edit: the recent price hike for these drives are ridiculous. unless you really need it, it's better to look around first for better deals.

i have a lot of consumer ssds. (like crucial m500. they are damn old now. still, they are fine since i bought them; i'm not comparing it with high-performance ones, like 840/850 pro or intel s3700) this is the first ssd that failed on me for a time period of slightly over a year.

i don't think it's about tlc vs. mlc either. my samsung 840 evo's are still working fine in my xps.
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Thanks for the quick reply and sorry for my late reply.
Actually , I was thinking on getting an extra ssd for normal usage where I worry SSD price will keep on rising ahead with our low currency.If don't buy now, it'll increase more.
While at the market , DDR ram is twice as expensive as last year and this date.HDD price never drop since 2011 after the flood.
SSD price does drop but as you mention " the general rule always applies: you get what you pay for."

Which problem arise , and current unstable market , buy now or at lease I need some prediction where SSD doesn't hike like today RM480 next month RM550
Taking example of samsung 850 EVO 250GB which is about RM 480

Btw , any much different between samsung 840 PRO vs 850 PRO ? The most concern is recovery state when it fail.Something like you still can recover your data after it fail to boot.
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post Apr 13 2017, 02:12 AM

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QUOTE(horns @ Apr 9 2017, 11:24 PM)
yeah; ssd price is surely getting bumped again in near future, according to reports found online, and a visit to lyp recently. few days ago i visited a well-known shop at lyp, the shop keeper even bumped the price on the spot (telling me the latest price list for that ssd was, somehow, the 'old' price) come on, like i don't have choices :/

at least i don't feel any differences between the two. however i suggest going for 850 pro for its 10-year warranty. as for the recovery part, i'm not sure because both my 840/850 pro haven't failed yet. (still the better way to prevent such things is doing regular backups; the oldest but still the most efficient way to get back up from data loss)
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I was wondering , how do they give us 10 years of warranty ? If anything spoil , we just send to samsung center ? Does pro using MLC or TLC ? I know it's using somekind of 3d nand.

Still regular backup is better but I can't find any good software that will backup or sync automatically.Can suggest 1 ?

As previously , i worry about the failure was cause by sudden power trip .Having frequent power trip like twice a day and would happen anytime even will happen while I was typing now.In case , of something like it , will samsung have some like Power Loss Imminent (PLI) like intel ?
btw , Which ups brand is better ? APC ?
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post May 16 2017, 12:55 AM

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May I know , is it possible to use pcie sata card to use a SSD plugin into it ?
Motherboard only have 4 sata port 2 is 6GB other 2 are 3GB.
Sata port 1 and 2 are use for hard disk 1TB booting and 2TB for storage. Other 2 is for CDrom and DVDrom.

If I wanted to add extra SSD for booting , can I use extra pci sata card so I can have extra sata connector ?
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QUOTE(horns @ Aug 5 2017, 10:21 PM)
finally the usual report from hardware.fr was out.

for ssds, the top brands with the least return rates:

1. Samsung 0,17% (previously 0,20%)
2. Intel 0,19% (previously 0,27%)
3. Crucial 0,31% (previously 0,28%)
4. Sandisk 0,31% (previously 0,62%)
5. Corsair 0,36% (previously 1,67%)
6. Kingston 0,44% (previously 0,29%)

ssds with highest return rates:
3,59% Kingston SSDNow KC400 Series 512gb
1,37% Crucial MX200 500gb
1,08% Crucial MX200 1tb
0,95% SanDisk SSD PLUS 480gb
0,93% Kingston SSDNow M.2 SATA G2 480gb

for more information, http://www.hardware.fr/articles/962-7/ssd.html

also don't forget to check out http://www.hardware.fr/articles/962-8/conclusion.html

edit: will be switching to 960 pro when i have the time to set it up. it's been in the package for too long :/
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