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post Aug 4 2015, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Aug 4 2015, 03:02 PM)
Thanks, will try it out tonight. smile.gif
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while i tried to refresh myself about your issues, i came across this little tool that might help you. i never used this before so please read about other most probable fixes also.

http://www.boyans.net/dual-boot-repair-too...8.1-update.html

good luck.
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post Aug 5 2015, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(- JaY - @ Aug 5 2015, 05:14 PM)
Judging from past few pages, seems like most ppl are recommending the Liteon S900 256gb? I am actually kinda tempted to try SSD.. Ever since i got my XPS13 with SSD, i felt my desktop is crap  sweat.gif  eventhough the specs are much better.
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do it. a desktop rig is not a crap if its specs are much better than xps 13. take away that obvious hdd bottleneck and you will fall in love with it again hehe
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post Aug 7 2015, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Aug 6 2015, 01:58 AM)
need some recommendation for ssd, I am eyeing on 256gb one
saw a lot people recommend lite on s900 256gb, but my friend told me go for samsung evo, is much better
but the price difference around RM 100+

does both of them performance different a lot ?
I plan to use my ssd just to install windows (off course), and frequent used software (browser, download manager, spotify, steam, etc ...)
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both are good. however for common usage like what you have described, liteon ssd is already good enough.

QUOTE(- JaY - @ Aug 6 2015, 04:04 AM)
haha its so tempting.. any recommendation? mostly gaming on desktop only.. my rig builder suggest samsung and intel SSDs.  unsure.gif

checked my XPS13, it is using Samsung PM851 m.2
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intel, samsung, crucial, and plextor/liteon are my personal preferences hehe to me i am happy with any one of them with mlc chip.

QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Aug 6 2015, 01:26 PM)
Hmm, does the liteon good ? As I can't find any review of it lol
But the Samsung evo really good, newer technology, sounds interesting drool.gif
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between liteon ssd and 850evo, the only attraction for me to choose evo is the longer warranty.

QUOTE(Jayi @ Aug 6 2015, 04:20 PM)
Btw guys, whats the difference between LiteOn S900 SCS-128L9S and LCS-128L9S other than the write speeds?
Kinda confused between this two.

Is it a good buy for LiteOn S900 128GB (SCS-128L9S) @ RM220 ?
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scs is retail unit, lcs is oem. 256gb is much better. it's a sweet spot in terms of price/performance value.

QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Aug 6 2015, 04:39 PM)
No idea still can't decide whether go for liteon for best bang budget or go for better performance lol
But I don't get the 3d nand, is for what ?
Faster ? Stable ? Battery saving ? rclxub.gif
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go for liteon. get larger capacity if possible. performance wise, i don't think you can feel the differences.

3d nand is the new flash technology that has smaller foot print (hence you can have very large capacities, like 3.84tb, in a small 2.5" form factor), and is more durable (according to reviews).

QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Aug 6 2015, 10:23 PM)
yea I know, even cheapest ssd totally pawn hdd tongue.gif
normally go for samsung for better performance
and I only go for evo which only got 5 years warranty, no money go for pro laugh.gif
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these days, there are mainly 3 types of consumer sata ssds: value, mainstream, and performance. pick mainstream for common use if possible. to me, liteon s900 and samsung 850evo are mainstream drives.

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post Aug 7 2015, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Aug 7 2015, 12:47 AM)
wow you quote me a lot, let reply one by one

1. yea as another forumer said, based on my usage liteon ssd can fulfill, I just thinking samsung may last longer since got newer technology

2. for the warranty I doesn't care, off course longer is better

3. either I get liteon or samsung evo I want go for 250 / 256gb, for performance mostly just want faster read instead write, since just install few software laugh.gif
as for that 3d nand, thanks for your explanation, as for durable really depends how I use hmm.gif
I think I will go for samsung evo for future proof icon_rolleyes.gif
although liteon is good, but so far I only found 1 review, and samsung a lot a lot website review said is very good
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haha sorry for the multi-quoting.

for general use, don't worry about it. the drive will still have a long way to go when you decided to get a new one.

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post Aug 7 2015, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(Jayi @ Aug 7 2015, 12:40 PM)
Thanks for the explanation  thumbup.gif
Yes i do noticed that 256gb has much faster write speed, but I am just using this as boot drive with very general usage which I think 120gb will just be fine enough.

In your opinion, whats the best 120gb ssd in terms of price/performance value?
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yes, and plextor/liteon never cut down internal components, like dram.

hm.. a good question. i have no clue about 120gb drives in terms of the best price/performance ratio. afaik transcend ssd370 fit into this range but i might be wrong. there are plenty of other choices. it's better to check out reviews for more insights. for very general use, i think any mainstream (or even value) drives should be fine. (as long as the seq. write speed is not below 250MB/s)
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post Aug 7 2015, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(Jayi @ Aug 7 2015, 03:55 PM)
yes transcend 370, very budget friendly but the seq.writing is merely 170mb/s for 128gb model.  sweat.gif
somehow I am now considering taking 256gb Liteon even though I dont require that much of capacity.
The tech spec is you shared it for LCS-256L9S, OEM unit.
While Im looking at retail one, SCS-256L9S and SCS-256L9S tech spec
I am just about comparing this two too biggrin.gif  Price difference between 128gb and 256gb is about 155% but 145% gain at seq write speed and 200% increase in capacity.
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hm. it's much slower than i thought. yes, get liteon 256gb, put 15% op, and it will last you for a long time.

QUOTE(SSJBen @ Aug 7 2015, 03:58 PM)
Time to move to NVMe now that Skylake is here. SATA SSDs seem so... last gen.
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hehe i hope to play with some too. it's still like very rare in the market.


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post Aug 8 2015, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(nikaizad @ Aug 8 2015, 12:02 PM)
went to czone and was surprised that the liteon ssd was much more expensive rm 430

so i went with a hyper x fury because i also needed to buy a new mouse - mine died last night.

now i regret it abit.  shouldve bought lite on or just hyper x savage
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oh well :/

never regret about anything. czone is fine, at least there is no worry about warranty smile.gif in general a ssd is still much better than hdd as a boot/app drive anyway.
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post Aug 9 2015, 02:28 AM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 9 2015, 01:13 AM)
hornsSeems like the issue was solve and the cause is the linux kernel itself
https://blog.algolia.com/when-solid-state-d...not-that-solid/
btw , dont understand what it means in technical therm for the fix http://www.spinics.net/lists/raid/msg49440.html .

So , time to get a ssd biggrin.gif
Do I need to buy a new bracket for ssd ? will it fit into a floppy disk slot ?
Do you think Liteon a good buy ,reading reviews it's oem for dell ssd.
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oh this is good news smile.gif from the blog post and patch, it seemed that data corruption occurred due to pointer from ata driver being set to wrong address when trim is used with raid (in linux kernel). i think only kernel gurus know what this means lol for us users, hopefully with the patch, the black list will be updated later. (not a big deal. we can patch that part manually) by the way which distro are you using?

if your hdd caddy cannot house ssd properly, you might need one to secure it in 3.5" hdd bays. (new casings usually comes with settings for ssd)

yes i use liteon oem ssds also. to me, they're good. liteon is a common name in major brands (mostly higher end laptops and workstations).

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post Aug 10 2015, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(deShinyDevil @ Aug 9 2015, 10:17 PM)
looking for a ssd as os drive, cant decide on liteon s900 and transcend ssd370. any commnent on these or there are better ssd out there
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if you checked out previous posts (crawling or searching through the ssd threads), the main reason we recommend liteon s900 because it's one of the mainstream drives that have the best price/performance ratio (as of now). internal components wise, s900 uses toshiba toggle mlc nand, and its controller is the same as plextor mainstream drive, m6s (some said it's based on plextor performance drive, m5pro).

it's not that transcend drives are not good. iinm it's tagged as the recommended drive by some well-known review sites.

of course there are better choices, but it also means you need to pay more.
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post Aug 11 2015, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(andears99 @ Aug 10 2015, 10:07 PM)
One Question, Why mine Intel 530 120GB put in mine Lenovo ideapad will suddenly can't detect the ssd? is it the firmware issues?
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it shouldn't be. have you updated the firmware?

QUOTE(deShinyDevil @ Aug 10 2015, 11:19 PM)
Do i have to reformat the new ssd before installing OS and update the firmware?
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the correct sequence should be updating the firmware first. for w7 and up the install media will create default partition layouts and do formatting for you, so you don't need to do anything.
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post Aug 11 2015, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Aug 11 2015, 11:22 AM)
I can't go back to the world of booting tooks more than 10seconds. tongue.gif
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haha i'm fine with boot time under 20 secs. booting too fast makes me having no chance to rest lol!
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post Aug 11 2015, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Aug 11 2015, 12:42 PM)
Daa fuq doh.gif shakehead.gif

I retiring from computing upgrade 4 good haha dang
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maybe we all don't need that kind of speeds and iops. for user computing i don't think we can benefit from it. (many bottlenecks. hdd is one) if you wanna have smoother experience, it's better to use ram cache (if you have a good amount of ram).

i back up work files daily (weighted about 1gb each, normally less than that), i use ram cache (2gb each) to boost ssd-to-hdd transfers. when i copy files across drives, they are like the same speed for ssd and hdd (ram cache speed, not ssd or hdd). of course if the transfer involve huge files, it will not work. (speed will drop to match slowest bottleneck)
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post Aug 11 2015, 08:24 PM

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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Aug 11 2015, 04:49 PM)
May I ask what's a proper mSATA SSD these days?

my laptop has 2 mSATA slots, and one of it is used up (i'm using a Crucial M550 256GB mSATA), and I would like to add another (for gaming purposes)

What would be your recommendations?
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Crucial drives are good. Maybe you wanna get another 256gb to do raid0. (Double the speed and space. Hdd as download and storage) Preferably use the same model for a system. It's easier to manage (using the same manufacturer supplied software to manage all of them)

If you wanna go for capacity, there are not many choices for msata. Again it's m550 512gb, or samsung 850 evo (up to 1tb; rare, might need back-to-back order)
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post Aug 12 2015, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ Aug 12 2015, 08:45 AM)
Yeah, I was thinking what to do since I do need the storage, but I'll keep in mind for your advice, or probably buy 2 new mSATA SSDs (that are obviously larger than 256GB in size). However I feel mSATA is, for whatever reasons, ridiculously overpriced. Sigh.
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usually the price should be slightly higher than 2.5" sata. however i think you should do research first. i did a rough check here. check out mx200 500gb. it's lower.

note that you can also combine sata and msata ssd as raid, as long as the ports have the same bandwidth (e.g. sata iii for both) that's why for haswell laptops you can do 4x sata+msata raid0. (depends on the total compatible sata ports) with 4x mx200 500gb i can get roughly 1.7tb+ ssd space (15% op), and about 2GB/s seq. speeds + combined iops.

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post Aug 13 2015, 05:24 PM

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there might be a new nand called qlc. slc > emlc > mlc > tlc > qlc.

Toshiba Talks QLC BiCS FLASH for Archival SSDs, http://www.custompcreview.com/news/fms-201...val-ssds/25776/
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post Aug 14 2015, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Aug 14 2015, 09:31 PM)
Oh, thanks for the explanation ,  Normal beginner Debian user ubuntu. smile.gif
about liteon SCS- L9S is for retail version ? about the 4K speed is a bit low . Does Plextor came from liteon ?
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nice smile.gif

yes, scs is the retail version. don't mind the relatively low 4k thing, it's good enough for general use. let's just say plextor is a retail brand (originally japanese, but later became a taiwan brand) and liteon is mainly for oem. they use the same ssd technologies. you can read more about their relationship from wikipedia.

QUOTE(rurushu @ Aug 14 2015, 10:21 PM)
Hi Sifu horns,

wanna ask, right now the best 2.5" SATA SSD is the liteon 256GB one for RM370+?

quite some time didnt follow SSD news  sweat.gif
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yes bro, imo scs-l9s is the better choice compared to other choices in terms of price/performance ratio.

btw i'm no sifu. we are all learning.
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post Aug 15 2015, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(rurushu @ Aug 15 2015, 12:03 AM)
hahaha... thanks for the recommendation bro! I refer to you as sifu as sign of respect, because last time I was here, you taught me alot about SSDs  notworthy.gif
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haha don't mention it bro smile.gif knowledge is meant to share.
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post Aug 15 2015, 01:04 AM

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samsung showed off with its 16tb 2.5" PM1633a ssd, http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/08/sam...est-hard-drive/, http://www.extremetech.com/computing/21220...ith-new-3d-nand


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post Aug 15 2015, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Aug 15 2015, 07:34 AM)
I willing 2 sell my kidney 4 that laugh.gif
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lol it's really getting interesting. hopefully all these techs will get matured soon.
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QUOTE(dj.sars @ Aug 15 2015, 11:49 AM)
hi just wanna ask is anyone using samsung 850 evo with macs ?
I've been using it for quite a while but when running benchmark it isn't hitting the speed I've expected it to hit
why is that ?
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er what's your expectation? maybe you can some more information to help us understand your question. sorry i don't have mac. i'm just curious.

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