anyone heard ?
Closing down Cyberjaya hub.

omy...

Good.after all cyberjaya is boring

lol good luck to them

malaysia moving to bangalore too?

seriously?

what are the reasons to move to bangalore?

This post has been edited by olman: Feb 28 2015, 11:03 AM

tung ah bangala, keje ong....

One of my cousins working for shell IT customer support. Oh well, life goes one since i too will most likely be out of a job after june unless i can re-contracted.

Good...cut cost earn more

I'm afraid that might happen anytime soon...

So far L1 help desk, L3 and other server teams already moved to Bangalore.

Most probably all other vendor like T-System, Wipro and Accenture will be affected too.

europeans really likes IT in india eh?

This post has been edited by olman: Feb 28 2015, 11:11 AM

mayb its karma.Malaysian employers paid bangla workers shitty salary scheme.

All part of cost cutting...They can hire two person in India with the same salary which they are providing to one person in Malaysia

Some stupid idiots think that Bangalore = bangla......

Bangla ke arah kuasa dunia.

Malaysia now not competitive anymore.

cost reduction is a standard for all companies but wat about the quality of work?
they sure it will be up to expectationS?

indian are superior in IT...

I can see those Bangalore guys are really screwing up the SLA's.

A lot of escalations going on for the past one year since they started the transition...

im pretty sure IT industry in india is among the best in the world

Their superior in evreything, at lest of a cost.

If they're superior, why do I hear so many complaints from local IT firms that hire them?

Lots of bullshit this can do, that can do but in reality can't do. That's what I heard la. Good in IT support, maybe. Good in IT overall, questionable.

This post has been edited by neoexcaliber: Feb 28 2015, 11:22 AM

Simple stuff like Banglore is in India also don't know, what can you really do for the company? I really kesian the company that hires you.

btw ts... source?

This is really shitty.

yeah, transocean loss, my gain.

i dunno bout others la... my experience with indian kolik... they r very2 good... they can do things very well, not kedekut ilmu unlike local, willing to do extra... my indian kolik even do sapot even though hes on leave, in india, on the 1st day of deepavali....


malaysian, if holiday mmg tak angkat phone la...

This. I also heard complaints too.

guys, Malaysia trained IT staffs are better than India's.

I'm not bluffing here, most reputable companies actually prefer Malaysia more than India, because of education level in Malaysia.

However India is cheaper than Malaysia, so this year gonna be a hard year for all Oil n Gas companies, so Shell IT have no choice but move to India to cut cost.

When it comes to IT & Support in ASEAN, always SG > MY > PH > IN

Actually HP Shell was in Prima 9 but then moved HP Main Campus after most of their services moved to Bangalore especially password reset and some other L1 and L3 ..

India salary may be low, but their fixed allowances.. hell.. more than their montly salary. True story. Not worth

Wow. I recall during my first days in Shell( not working there anymore). I got a call from Cyberjaya just to activate my GID employee card.

because if compared India's IT workers with Malaysia IT workers, there's a gap.

company who get used to the skill level of Malaysia IT workers will disappointed if using India's one.

But for those Indian who really study abroad and have hands on experience, they are better than Malaysia's due to our limitation is exposure.

Maybe Shell will cut their fixed allowances

Cannot cut if it is within india labor law.

Why?

Malaysian workforce with little overseas experience are inferior?

This post has been edited by crapp0: Feb 28 2015, 11:34 AM

kalau staff commpany tu kena gangbang baru tahu.

India IT is superior. If not why companies want to shift to india and get conned. The good ones are in US. The not so good one in SEA, the really tak boleh pakai one stays back. They say they can build universe, but their delivery is promises.

My Yindian kolik tell me they learn programming when they just 18y/o.. meanwhile msian baru nk bukak buku maths
bluff baek baek la bang bodo nex tyme

my point of view: Malaysia IT workers are stable and well educated. But our skill still not the worldwide level yet.

Because India do not limit their citizens to freely receive knowledge from the west, but it is kinda taboo here in Malaysia. Most of our ministers doesn't even care much on education and research and knowledge, our education system basically re-use something good from 20 years ago.

So that's why you'll notice there's almost no IT brand / company that is coming from Malaysia.

We'll be a very good IT supporter, but we will not able to become IT innovator.

So despite India is very unstable in their IT education, but looking in long term, they will have more advantage than us ... just not currently.


Actually this is the exact reason why Malaysia always lack behind of countries who started at the same level. Have you ever noticed it is ALWAYS Malaysian who leave Malaysia will become Hulk broke the chains and start to shine in foreign countries?

a CBJ resource cost about 40-50 USD / Hour wherelese India resource cost about 12 USD an hour

now multiply by 200-300 employees - you can estimate saving


lucky im out of that shithole

a CBJ resource cost about 40-50 USD / Hour wherelese India resource cost about 12 USD an hour

now multiply by 200-300 employees - you can estimate saving


lucky im out of that shithole

Dont know about the IT situation in malaysia.

But i do notice that when i work with malaysian who are not used to working outside of malaysia, they will bring along the "malaysian style" work ethic. or their communication skills leave alot to be desired.

cut cost la, i heard the outsourcing firm emerio, alot people has been layoff, and also, i think the ericsson office in cyber also closing down.. XD

Ya, one of the best IT colleague I've met is also from Indian.

But unfortunately their education system still not as good as us, so everything is quite chaos there, you'll either see very good or very bad skill people there.

Speaking of programming skill since young, Malaysia produce one of the world most young hackers, and believe it or not, many LYN members can assemble PC machines with one eyes close without formal training, that is actually a skill not many possessed in this world.

And yet in Malaysia we felt it is very normal for everyone able to build their own personal computer, actually not that normal if you look at a worldwide perspective.

Move it to Philippines better..

Dude, 1 IT fella frm india can code, manage the server, do the testing and draft the process, while it takes 4 msians to do it. deswai mat salleh love them

inb4 the same fella can oso answer L1 calls and repair laptop for company

Syukur Malaysia aman.

Fusionex, GrabTaxi, iMoney, iProperty, Jobstreet?

we have our MIC

Give IC or not?

Oh wait

MIC expensive, hire india mari cheaper

like I said before, we're fairly good but not until very good.

but consider this: One time I went to a British telecommunication for interview, they told me one of my task is to learn how their India's vendor analyze big data thru Microsoft Excel.

I said hold on first, ONE THING I NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR, I definitely know there's no way Microsoft Excel can be a tool for big data transfer/analytic ... how is it even possible? MS Excel max can hold 1.4 millions records and it is fairly small for big data.

You know what the interviewer answered me: You are right and it is a basic common knowledge, unfortunately the India's vendor doesn't know that and they force to execute it with MS Excel. So they are kinda regret now.

So I rejected the offer, I know it's gonna shit to deal with this India's vendor who don't even know what are they doing.

moar moving out soon, habis cyberjaya properties

hewhewhewhew this proves that even india punya people also more competent than us

Ericsson office didn't close down.
The building where Ericsson used to be, is now occupied by Experian.
Ericsson moved to Sunway Towers.

I worked in 2 of the companies before.

First, Fusionex is just an IT vendor + supporter, there's no innovative required behind.

And the rest are just portal and website that involves no innovative.

I dunno bout others, but Fusionex, iProperty, Jobstreet always having trouble to find recruitment as people resign very fast.

The reason I know there's no proper IT innovator in Malaysia because I've worked with them.

No, they are not, they are just selling business online, web portal, or provide IT support. Which is fairly basic, we do not reach 'that' level yet to invent our own IT product.

Do you guys seriously consider the famous Lelong.com.my and Mudah.com.my as a very innovative Malaysia IT brand? (I dunno bout others but personally I don't)

ready..set...<waiting sign for a GO>

Basically a lot tech startup is swiped out base on your explaination.

Mind to share what is your criteria of an "IT innovator"? example?

ohh, thanks fr the info, cz see them bring down the sign of ericsson, tot closing bzness jugak... but over the year, more n more IT service been moved to bangalore

mytaxi

my best IT colleague also from India. So I'm not surprised at all.

But I've work with many of them, so I know you are either get a good one or a very bad one.

if you don't want heart attack, I'll still advice people hire 4 Malaysians instead of 1 India.

wait, I'm not discriminate anyone or blindly support Malaysia. I'm just speaking from my experience.

And to be honest, many Malaysian IT can actually code, manage the server, do testing and draft the process with no problem, just that we don't want to spoil the job market. and that especially easily noticed in government sector, have you ever see government website? it is not that good (no offense), India IT worker will be doing better than those government IT officers.

If you wanna see real Malaysia IT workers standard, open jobstreet.com.my (then go to their signup page), it is 100% done by Malaysia IT workers in private company ... locally. Which is quite good (but don't expect wow)

wat do u mean.. u look down on indian? they are the hub for IT.... they invest in IT earlier than us... they are any india IT company that service america n europe..

Don't know about others, but my criteria is research in:
- artificial intelligence, see google's deep mind
- nanotechnology
- machine learning, big data
- renewable energy
- electric cars, see Toyota Mirai' hydrogen fuel cell car
- driverless cars, even SG is conducting tests in driverless cars over there. Kita bila lagi?

myteksi is a service provider copy something already exists.

just like jobstreet, iproperty, imoney.

they are more towards eService more than IT innovator.

when I was worked in one of those companies, my colleagues always debate whether they are really an IT company, because their business nature doesn't seem directly related to IT. They are just doing business online. So whenever we need to classify our company, we always have a headache.

that's why we IT workers always wonder why we don't have an IT company that sells Malaysia brand software or Malaysia brand hardware.

From my experience most indian IT are useless pile of garbage. They talk like a lot wasting everyone time. And that thick accent is not helping.

soon ur 991 emergency line will be outsource to indians too

It's pretty true when you say that resources in India are way cheaper and the quality of work is way better.

Both MY & IND have good and shitty IT folks. See who you run into when calling.

the list you mentioned are very high end technology lar.

even myself also wish to do it someday in future.

but it is not easy, don't say Malaysia, many countries also cannot produce it.

Simple app copied from others is not innovative. Put simply like this, facebook is an innovation. Iphone is an innovation. Sap business object is an innovation. Something that is novel and useful with good market can be consider as innovation. We dont have that. Name one malaysian made/design product. But we can support and provide those as good or maybe better than india.

Good point.

I've work with India based company before, and from my experience most of them are very good in programming
but when I look into their programming style, it's quite hard for me to understand, always pusing2.

Indians from india talk very direct and no beating around the bush, similar to mat salleh.

Maybe they like it.

All boils down to how much the IT person is paid last. Irregardless of country, if u pay rm2k either in my or India, u will get that type of quality.

because they have not received proper training on how to standardize their coding and collaborate their coding with another programmer. (which most of the fresh grad have this mistake coz uni/college did not teach that)

i aware that too when i'm reading their coding.

but what can i blame, not everyone in their country can receive proper IT training.

so I've decide not to go thru programming coding from India anymore, I'll just say no. Not that I've anything against them, it just that I find it too difficult to read untrained coding style. or you guys can consider me as stupid if you want to

If pay rm5k don't expect guru level from India as well.

Hahahahahhahahahahh x 1 million.

ayam dunno wat they try to tok over the phone

+1 same

Their slang is godddammmmnnnnnn hard to understand. Even after a year+ working with them, i just cant..

People that says India is good in IT should try to deal with them on the phone, especially those shared services.

matbe its you that don't understand, but those in the West faham je.

Some more, how many Malaysian can speak / have a good command of English?

British was in India 200 years before in Tanah Melayu

But in my job, i need to work with them... So it is hard.

it is not a question of whether you have good command of english or not. (Muet band 5 here). It's their thick indian slang, i'm telling you.

i uesd to work in top IT mnc.

best kolik = indian

worst kolik = indian also.

Ericsson is killed by Huawei/ZTE... They hardly sustainable especially in SEA because the telco companies focus on pricing rather than service/security...

Once celcom openly request for a VAS solution @ 500k where it suppose to be in Mil cost project..

All they said was... This is the budget given to the team to look after this service... And you know who spoilt it...

Must be the China company gotten the tender and screw it up... But damaged has been done due to previous tendered pricing.... So they wouldn't allocate more....

Company like alcatel-lucent / Siemens / ericsson wouldn't want peanut butter project which brings no benefit to the company at all...

So in the end who gets the project? Another Cina Pek company....

Muet band 5 = topkek

where is the sos TS? pls share sos

i suspect the sos is an internal memo/email/communications

u can't find anything in the news. at least for now

Seriously? My friend in trouble loorr

mayb u fail grammer ur england like topkek

MUET or not, still u can understand, if u have an open mind, and ask the right question(s)
I don't have much issues with IT centre with thick accents.

Time will come when all IT Services will be either in India or Philippines. So open your mind, and embrace the changes.
Learn to understand the accents and live on.

why butthurt???

low level job will move from expensive country to cheap country. this means malaysians have to buckle up.

just like muricans suffered 20 years ago. all the massive outsourcing.

Pretty soon people in min wage jobs will be complaining that they can't survive when they mean that they can't live like kings any more

Innovating is doing something that someone never did before or creating something that has never been created before. Simply said, you have to be the first.

Things like Uber/AirBnB when it first came up was revolutionary.

What Malaysian company do is copy these revolutionary tech startup ideas.

talk is easy.

you think japan germany france russia china norway all keep revolutionizing stuff?

only murica can consistently do that.


why?


that deserves another thread.

Bangla many IT professional. If you go to Lowyat plaza, you will see all the shops manned by Bangla.

Bangla ke arah kuasa dunia besar.

Hey bro,

I was just explaining to him why our tech company are not revolutionary.

Not some kinda attack on Malaysia. Please don't butthurt.

i think for someone who heavily criticizes others over their language should take a view of themselves 1st..
pandan.. have you given the thought about the differences between a "slang" and an "accents"?!?!
don't be a lingo pulis when you yourself so piss poor at understanding such basic difference... it's accents.. not slang.. understood?!

india has better infrastructure.

msia punya jangan harap. internet pun all mesti mengadap TM.

k