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post Jun 6 2018, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(chiongchiong888 @ Jun 6 2018, 12:31 PM)
For REITs the first thing I see is divindend. From comparison of the Reit stocks , I judge that 6% above are reits I should consider of. The next thing is the PE Ratio to decide whether it is the right price for me to go in. For MQReit, I go in at 1.12 with PE 17.72 . Altough the PE is considered high among the other Reits, but I see that they give a very competitive dividend payout.

Whereas for ATRIUM, I go in at 1.08 with PE 7.18. I think this is a very good  and undervalued Reit. Based on their annual reports, they have near full and are going to full occupancy... and they offer good dividend. So I think this is a very good one to buy. But I am not sure why there is no volume for this stock tough.
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Yes i believe you are on the right track. REIT should be treated as an alternative fixed income instrument.

What we looking for a good quality REIT is consistent and sustainable DPU payout. For sustainability, look for REIT with long term tenant lease.

Growth in share price and/or growth in DPU is nice to have, should treat it as bonus.

The share prices of REIT are usually sensitive to interest rate/ treasuries yield movement.
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post Jun 10 2018, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(chiongchiong888 @ Jun 10 2018, 10:03 AM)
its a no no for me.. Still think that PAVReit is overpriced. hmm...  bye.gif

based on my study on their dividend.. the avg dpu is 0.0718 and its 4.6% based on the current price 1.56 .

although their dividend for recent years is increasing , and assuming that they continue to give the dividends at such rates, its about 5.28% based on the current price.

so I prefer to go for ALTRIUM since my strategy is to take higher dividends and for long run. and taking into consideration I'm not buying in volume also.. so buying PAVReit is not recommended for me. If I am an investor who am able to buy with volumes, I will buy PAVReit and take dividends while wait for the price to go up to my target price and sell to gain profit.
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Bear in mind with the recent acquisition of Pavilion Elite, and the future possible of acquiring Farenheit 88 too might increase their property income a little bit.

last few Q was not great for Pavilion since part of the income had been eaten by the operating expenses of DAMEN Mall.

DAMEN mall is under-performing while Intermark mall is doing well.

Investing is about future.
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post Jun 11 2018, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(chiongchiong888 @ Jun 10 2018, 01:13 PM)
I'm trying to find the info on the occupancy tenure also .. How come it's not in their annual report ? I can't find that piece of info
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sometime you can get those info from IB's analyst report.

You can get certain reports from Bursa Marketplace
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post Jun 11 2018, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Jun 11 2018, 10:37 AM)
do you guys reinvest your dividend into the same REITs??
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I think it depends on how much dividend you are getting.

If you are just getting like 100+- , better accumulate more before u reinvesting.

If you are getting 1000+- or 10,000+-, it makes a difference.
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post Jun 12 2018, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(chiongchiong888 @ Jun 12 2018, 07:28 PM)
and if the REITS have mostly fixed interest rates in their portfolios. Shouldnt be a problem right?
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If interest rate increase, it will narrow the yield spread between REIT and other fixed income instrument, which will make REIT less attractive.

Basic economics,

stock up, bond down.

Interest rate up, REIT / Bond down.
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post Jun 13 2018, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 12 2018, 09:55 PM)
Generally, Yes,... but it also depends on when the time comes for the REIT to renew its loan facility,... by that time, if it has not yet 'adjusted itself' to the new higher loan interest environment, THEN,.. basically,.. its dpu will be affected.
Yes,... increasing interest rate will compress the yield gap, making REIT yield needing to go HIGHER to attract investors. The enable a REIT yield to go higher, its unit price must drop,... OR,... its dpu must INCREASE.

Either one of the above will 'enlarge' the yield gap again,....

Back to my point earlier,.. if BNM does not increase interest rates in Msia,... then, theoretically, the yield gap remains steady,...
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MGS yield has been rising this year and now approaches 4.28%. If continue to rise we could see another round of M-REIT sell down.
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post Jun 13 2018, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 13 2018, 10:19 AM)
Yes, bro Smurfs,... if MGS yield = 4.30%, what would be the recommended REIT yield please ?
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IMO, Prime REIT(like IGBREIT) yield should be command about 100-150 basis point above MGS yield / FD Rate.
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post Jun 13 2018, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 13 2018, 11:24 AM)
So,... if MGS yields 4.30%, then a prime REIT like IGBREIT should yield 4.30% + 0.15% = 4.45%.... hmm,.. not too wide a spread... I think should be wider,.. otherwise,... hoho,... earning 0.15% more in a risky REIT,... everybody would not be willing to do so.
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Bro, 100 basis points would be equivalent to 1%.


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post Jun 14 2018, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(kevin94lee @ Jun 13 2018, 11:33 PM)
Hi sifu, what's u guys think about atrium reit? Compare with sunreit.... thinking which to enter.. tqtq
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Jun 13 2018, 11:40 PM)
I'm thinking of investing in Hektar & Amanah Tanah PNB. Wonder if they are any good....
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Or maybe you could tell us ur findings?

What makes you interested in this 2 counter? hmm.gif
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post Aug 9 2018, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 9 2018, 09:42 AM)
Holding for multi-years already.
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since QCAPITA era biggrin.gif
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post Nov 9 2018, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Nov 4 2018, 09:03 AM)
Pavilion KL is good but in pavilion reit portfolio there is Damen mall which is practically “dead”,people mostly only go there to makan and not shop
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The newly injected Elite Mall somehow mitigate the non-performing Damen Mall.

Net property Income from Elite Mall alone is more than the contribution of intermark and damen combined.
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post Feb 28 2019, 07:46 AM

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QUOTE(liangzai84 @ Feb 28 2019, 12:43 AM)
What do you think about Hektar Reit? It has about 8.5% DY. I'm thinking of investing RM45,000
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What do you think about Hektar REIT?

What makes you comfortable to invest RM45k in this counter?
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post Mar 4 2019, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(liangzai84 @ Feb 28 2019, 11:59 AM)
IGB Reit DY seems to be lower, that's why i'm thinking about Hektar Reit
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Some info about Hektar REIT :

1) Annual Dividend Payout :

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2) Occupancy Rate :

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3) Mall Traffic

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To summarize :

- Annual Distribution per Unit (DPU) declining.
- Property Occupancy Rate declining
- Visitor traffic declining
- if you look at the share price, it started to drop from 1.6x to 1.2x in year 2017

REITs should be treated as an alternative fixed income instrument. Investors usually look for stable rental income and long term lease. Hence good quality REIT like IGBREIT & PAVREIT are traded at higher premium. Not only their DPU are stable and they are able to increase the DPU.

Hektar REIT high yield is kind of justifiable for the high risk you have to bear if you invest in this REIT counter.
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Mar 23 2019, 11:13 PM)
Hi,

I have started to dip into MREITS again this month.

Note that at the end of this week, MREIT prices jumped. This jump is probably due to talk that BNM may be cutting rates soon due to weak domestic economy and US Fed becoming dovish at their last meeting.
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US 10 year Treasury yield has been declining from peak 3.1x to current 2.4x.

Fed also said they wont raise rate for this year.

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QUOTE(bmwcaddy @ Jul 18 2019, 09:59 AM)
MREIT sifus please advise good price to enter, i entered ytlreit at 1.33. how about sunreit, pavreit, axreit, ccmt?
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Hello,

What is your game plan for REIT?

Aim for 15% gain?
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QUOTE(ndtiong @ Aug 20 2019, 09:37 AM)
All this talk of IGB, SUN, PAV... am I the only guy in HEKTAR and ARREIT?

In it for the high dividend yield and for the prospect that they will appreciate. PBR is around 0.6-0.7 and their EPS have been improving.
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The y-o-y DPU for both HEKTAR & ARREIT has been declining.

As investors are treating REIT as alternative fixed income instrument, declining income is no-no.
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post Aug 21 2019, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Aug 21 2019, 02:46 AM)
why look at yoy DPU and not yoy DY??
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Dividend yield comprises of 2 components, share price and annual dividend.
Hektar in 2016 :

Price : 1.51
DPU : 10.50 sen
DY : 6.95%

Hektar in 2019

Price : 1.01
DPU (using 2018 as reference) : 9.01 sen
DY : 8.9%

The high dividend yield currently is due to massive drop in share price. biggrin.gif

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The reason of the share price decline? A declining DPU.
The reason of declining DPU ? Portfolio of properties not performing well.

When choosing a REIT, we can't simply look at yield alone. REIT price is highly correlated to its DPU. A good REIT is those with stable long term income in terms of ability to lease / rent out.
Those REIT with stable DPU generally performing well even with today's roller coster market.

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post Aug 21 2019, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Aug 21 2019, 10:40 AM)
Wow!! I saw a chart in there... tongue.gif

DPU 2017 9.6 sen.

Total DPU received + current share price < 1.51

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Got nice dy each year but still losing money....
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Doesn't need advanced charting skills to spot there is something "unusual" around May 2017 right hmm.gif
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post Aug 22 2019, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(ndtiong @ Aug 22 2019, 09:25 AM)
Yes but can also look at fundamentals like NTA, PBR which all show that due to market sentiment, these reits are undervalued by 30-40%. The way I see it, the low price now makes it attractive to go in.

With high DY, they keep paying me for keeping the shares (at a higher rate than SUN, IGB, PAV etc. at those rates of 4-5% I rather just put in ASx) and over time it's possible that the share value will rise to reflect the value of the portfolio, so I might get capital gains too (like what people who entered IGB/SUN/Axis when they were cheap now get to experience).

The REIT can also dispose of underperforming properties and give back to the shareholders, so even if chap lap I still get something good. 

Just my thoughts
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Here is my POV :

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Please take the above with a pinch of salt icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 5 2019, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Sep 5 2019, 09:42 AM)
Sorry but I do not subscribe to your thinking that 'REITs have relatively low risks compared to other products in the stock market.'....
Here's why...

Knowing and understanding the risk involved is important but that cannot be just it. Managing our risk and most of all we need to figure out if it's justifiable to take on the risk. Justifiable, as in the sense, does the reward compensate us in undertaking the risk to make that investment?

Take Hektar Reit. Why? Since it was brought up recently. The 'current' dividend of 8,34 sen suggests a yield of 8.3% but it's not as straight forward as that, since stock prices are adjusted after going ex-dividend. And less we forget that one needs to HOLD the reit for at least one year to effectively make a 8.3% yield, and that too we have to make a huge assumption that the price remains at 1.00.

Well, is this 'reward' justifiable to make this bet?

What could go wrong? Well, Hektar dividend is shrinking. Obviously if and when it continues to shrink, there will be people who are more than willing enough to dump this stock. Pay less dividend wo, still want to keep meh?

And in Hektar's case, if dividends continue to decline, then that 8.34 sen dps is highly questionable. Now if I were to call it a day on this investment, my yield is NOT going to be 8.3%. If I had bought the stock at 1.00, the current next payable dividend is 2 sen. Payable 3 oct. So if I sell after the dividend, say in Dec, my yield is only a pathetic 2%. Is it worthwhile? What if the stock falls after going ex? Heck, I could easily lose money!! ( *** as it is, Hektar dividend is STILL declining as per latest q report - which means the chances of it declining is even greater! *** )
* my comment on KLCC was extremely sarcastic. tongue.gif Which I will not offer any apologies. Understanding the current traded volume of a stock is important. Understanding it's bid spread is just as important. If a stock consistently carries a high bid spread, then any slight trading (such as a 100 shares purchase or 600 shares purchase could easily distort the share at a given time. For example, when KLCC got up to 8,30+ yeasterday morning but it was on a volume of a mere 600 shares? should one get excited/kiasu over the stock that it is 'UP'?  Well? I am sure you know the answer. This is pure stock trading/investing 101 basics. It's amazing to see so many dive into the stock market without even understanding the simplest market basics.  *
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Hoooooooi !!! What are you doing here? Go back to chart pls bruce.gif

Anyway, just 1 note for KLCC. This counter is Stapled REIT, which comprises KLCCP + KLCC REIT.

Good or bad? Well i do not know.


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