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Ramjade
post Aug 20 2015, 04:30 PM

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But isn't national interest, political will = big jar of untouched cookies?

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Ramjade
post Aug 21 2015, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 21 2015, 03:34 PM)
Buying in blocks of 10K units are available now. ...
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Are you topping up now? I thought you decided to wait and see.
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post Aug 21 2015, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 21 2015, 07:37 PM)
ASNB Merdeka Contest @ Facebook from 24/8
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Can post link?
Ramjade
post Aug 21 2015, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 21 2015, 09:35 PM)
Cannot open.
Ramjade
post Aug 23 2015, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(szaku89 @ Aug 23 2015, 01:17 PM)
What if there is no available units? They will send a message telling about that?
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They will refund back into your account. But the SC (RM1+ will not be refund)

QUOTE(Vincent9696 @ Aug 23 2015, 01:37 PM)
If it is first time to purchase also can use it? I tot we require to go OTC first , only repurchase , correct me if I'm wrong.
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You need to have book first then only can buy AS1M from M2U
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post Aug 24 2015, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 24 2015, 10:55 AM)
What's your guess the divided will be ?
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No need to guess. It's going to be 6.6%
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post Aug 24 2015, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(titanic_crash @ Aug 24 2015, 11:58 AM)
so, it is true?

they might do this in 2016 right?
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That one they give people time to decide.

First like what other members said. If they do that, KLSE going to bleed and die. Everyone withdraw. You think with so bad situation, they want to make the economy and myr drop further?

Second they will give announcement. This is not petrol price where they can just suka-suka change like that. This is "national interest" tongue.gif

I will tell you this, the most they will change is maybe 1 fund only. No way they will change all. Got 3 fixed price funds. If you are worried, open all 3. If one kena affected, just "transfer" to the other fund.

Am I worried? Yes a little. Do I think they will change? No. Worse come to worse, in my opinion, they will change only 1. If you are worried, withdraw on 1/12. Dump into 1 month fd first. Wait until 2/1/2016, then dump back again. But see if you are lucky or not. tongue.gif

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post Aug 24 2015, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 24 2015, 12:55 PM)
yes, i think it would be a disaster too..but if the underlining Value of the assets in the fund are really "lower" and stayed low for years....how? Borrow to keep paying to support the payout amount?
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Eg, True NAV only RM0.50, you pay RM1.00 for fixed price fund. Indirectly you are giving PNB extra money. They can use that to earn extra income to pay the dividend.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Aug 24 2015, 01:04 PM)
hmm.gif seems like this logic is flawed... notworthy.gif
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How is it flaw? You are suppose to get 2 units (assuming price is RM0.50/unit) but you get only 1 unit after paying RM1. So where the other unit go? Definitely kept by PNB as reserve.
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post Aug 24 2015, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Aug 24 2015, 04:54 PM)
what is brb? U are buying or already bought?
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post Aug 24 2015, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Aug 24 2015, 09:59 PM)
Worried? Hehe...

1) Whole Malaysia using TNB, majority uses TM and Astro. Cookie jar is always full. PNB already said will have announcement if got changes.
2) Every year, ASX have been saving dividend.
3)The depreciation of RM will wipe out any dividend that you get.
What about FD? Interest earned will be wipe out more compare to ASX.
4) KLSE going to crash. Didn't KLSE crash badly in 1998? Some thing will happen. Some kind of control will be put in place to prevent people from moving money overseas. Very sure on this one. That's the only thing they can do. History have shown they have give consistently high dividends without fail.
5) Oil is not going to rise. True. But from previous records I believe ASX have enough reserve to last at least 5 years. Anything can happen in 5 years.

Yes. I agree with dreamer. Do not put all eggs in one basket. Best place to diversify will be SGREITS. Dividends more can reach ASX level. But for now ASX, will be enough for me. Not going to put all in ASX. Some will go to FD also.


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post Aug 24 2015, 10:33 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 24 2015, 10:32 PM)
Major thunderstorm out there
Just stay where u r n u will b safe
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Care to share? About the thunderstorm?

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post Aug 24 2015, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(ohcipala @ Aug 24 2015, 10:29 PM)
Not whole Malaysia using TNB. And ASTRO and TM are doing not so good considering a lot of their debts and costs are in USD.

Having said that, I still have faith ASX will remain as FP and still give out competitive dividend
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As far as I know whole WM uses TNB. Same goes with phone line in WM. Sure 90% uses TM line. I have seen poor people who cannot live without astro. What the hell.
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post Aug 24 2015, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 24 2015, 10:36 PM)
Every asset class was punished badly
Y worry so much when ASNB have yet to make announcement
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You meant on Bursa saham?
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post Aug 25 2015, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(blogomatic @ Aug 25 2015, 12:45 PM)
noob question from me

for variable price funds, does asnb give out dividend every year as well? or we only get profit when we sell it higher than purchase price?
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They give dividend of about 7%. Your profit and loss is calculated on final sum of nav (price of units + dividends given).
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post Aug 25 2015, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 25 2015, 01:45 PM)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO vmad.gif

Use another analogy...

FSM regulars love this... tongue.gif

U invest RM100,000 in a chicken farm
U start with 100 adult chickens

Some time later, u have 100 adult chickens and 400 baby chickens

People value your farm at RM200,000 now
RM200,000 is the CURRENT VALUE of your investment

Then NEXT DAY, your genius farm manager one day tells u...

"Bos! I managed your farm well, now I hereby declare a dividend to u..."

*push a cart loaded with 200 baby chickens to u*

U happily receive it in a grand ceremony...

After the ceremony, workers throw back the 200 baby chickens into the farm...

Get the idea? sweat.gif
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But if nav increase after 1 year + given dividend, you profit right?


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post Aug 26 2015, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 26 2015, 12:08 PM)
For fixed price funds, tt's a double edged sword, sort of.

In good years, the fund managers held back some. In a way he's "hiding" the profits for future
In bad years, u will thank him for what he did on those "good" years

But hor...

How many of us bother to do the calculation to see if the fund manager short-changed us? Say for example, the fund actually made RM100M over the years, but PERSISTENTLY paid grossly lesser, maybe only paid out RM30M to investors. During an extended good market performance, u would be better off with a Variable Price fund or even investing in stocks yourself, the cilaka punya fund manager took chunks away from u. Then when bear market comes, he will take your retained profits to rescue the latecomers' arses. Cilaka betul~ tongue.gif  laugh.gif

Give and take lor...

To add...

In the long term, MOST IF NOT ALL markets will grow, on an uptrend...

I.e. if u have time on your side, u would be better off with VP funds or even investing in stocks than with a FP fund
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So the same applies for FD? Better off with VP compare to FD?

Isn't FP better? At least you won't get heart attack or heart ache seeing your principal decrease or disappear. Slow and steady.

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post Aug 27 2015, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 27 2015, 09:54 AM)
I wud rank the risk for FP fund starting with Highest:-
1. ASM
2. AS1M
3. ASW
Having said tat, I wud opined bau on 1/1/2016
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Care to share why you rank in that order?
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post Aug 27 2015, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Aug 27 2015, 12:16 PM)
ASM - open to everyone
AS1M - bumi hold 50%
ASW - bumi hold 51%
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Ah I see. Time to open more account.
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post Aug 28 2015, 01:56 PM

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When will asw2020 be back in business? Going to ask my mother to open. Precautionary measures.

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