Coz he mentioned in his post that they got Red eyes mah.... hahahah... but then from the pic, the colours are not Winter Whites. They are the colours of campbells.

Now my photobucket is loading very very slow, later if it loads properly I got some pictures of font, side and top view of hamsters.

The food you are giving is ok. Do not worry. Hamsters are not grass eaters so they do not eat alfalfa. They nibble and chew only. They rarely consume alfalfa. Anywa, you can minus the alfalfa since the pellets in Prestige contains some alfalfa, enough for them.

The smell is from the pee. I never trust products that are given internally to lessen smell... it is weird loh and also the animals cannot give feed back to humans also, so we would never know if it causes them harm until they fall sick and die.

Change your bedding. I would suggest Breeder's Select/ Celect... sorry, I can't remember the name but it sounds like that lah. It is made of recycled newspaper. I used it once and can tell you, never change bedding 3 weeks also no smell hahaha.... it absorbs pee and odour really good. Another bedding you can use is Careline Wood Pellet Cat litter. Even the Breeder's Select is a kind of cat litter. These litters cost around RM15 to Rm17 lah.... but can last long and won't smell bad. You only need to put the amount that covers up the flooring, no need 2cm or 3cm... just enough would do.

Also, from the bedding you using, it is the Chipsi that is harboring the smell.

Some pictures to show hahaha...



Argente Russian Campbell hamster



Mottled Black Russian Campbell hamster



Agouti Russian Campbell hamster



Spotted Dove Russian Campbell hamster

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Added on February 3, 2007, 10:54 pmApple smell? It is not healthy to have scented wood shavings coz the perfume is bad for them, not for us.

The cat litter, if it is made of wood pellets or recycled newspaper then can use. Never use those clumping or sand cat litter coz the dust is dangerous for them to inhale too much.

They will feel comfortable if provided with hay for nesting material. I am not sure PW midvalley sell or not but I went there and did not notice them. Can get at Pet Safari and at Pet Family.

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Feb 3 2007, 10:54 PM

hahaha... cute hamster.

Would be easier to identify the kind of dwarf hamster if you can take a picture of the top view and side view.

Robos are different from campbells and winter whites. The first page already got some pictures to show the differences...

Anyway, here are some pics of winter whites:




Pearl Winter White hamster



Agouti Winter White hamster in her winter coat and when in the middle of changing



Agouti Winter white




Saphhire Winter White



Pudding Winter White Hybrid

That is when my female I keep in a dark corner of my room.... took her bout 1 month to change. I gave her to Kembara liao hahaha.

Swollen? Red? Brown?

Ai, some petshops or keepers are like that wan. But you got yourself really good looking RCs, and got red eyes hehehe... you so suka red eye hamsters ah?

Yups, that is a pearl. So you bought from Pet Family? Hahah... Sapphire, go get one loh... so many sapphires around if you like sapphires so much.

It's the camera.... fast shutter speed, good digital lens and flash... Kodak got great macro setting... but my pics were taken using dslr heheheh...

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Added on February 4, 2007, 10:13 pmHmm... They are still young to see... I can roughly assume the left pic is female and the right pic is male... maybe you show some new pics after 1 week.

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Yes, that can be done but make sure got the small house for it to hide inside lah... and wait for 1 month.

Now my 2 puddings turning to winter coat hahahah...

Hahah... now can't really notice coz the eye brow turn white only... wait lah, later become whiter I post a pic.

well, all I can say is just try lah. Coz turning winter coat depends on the hamster wan. If he feels that he wants to turn winter coat then he will... if he dun have that feeling then he won't.

It takes 1 month to change into white... but then it also depends on each individual hamsters. 1 month means from white eye brow to whole body white. When will a hamster start to change? Again you won't know coz it is up to the hamster lah.

Haha... yah... normally the eye grow or nose area would change first... can say face first before other parts.

Hey, those are argente babies hahah... you view my sales thread lah, same colour as Andante I think.

A tame hamster would not bite on purpose. A tame hamster would not jump out of hands in an instant. A tame hamster would not struggle too much when held.

Hamster is like that mah. Animals do not think like humans nor do they have emotional feelings like humans. Since you always feed him, he see you as food source. Also hamsters have tiny brains compared to dogs and they are not monogamous.

Change colour? Hmmm.... that is really weird since got red eyes. I suspect the shop keeper mixbreed them. Again, many petshops do not know mixbreeding different species of hamsters is bad. Well, I can tell you lucky yours are ok. When I was younger, I bought hybrid hamsters before, damn weird and aggressive... and it was red eyed... change colour also.

Accidental nips are common lah. Part and parcel of owning a hamster hahahah.

Never let out a hamster freely. Really, it is worst loh when it gets lost. Normally the best is making a play pen using old cardboard boxes and make a maze for them to play. Or you can buy those hamster fencing sold at certain shops(I have been searching but can't find till now). Best is an open area like your bed but again your hamster must be tame in order to do this. For me, I let my hamsters run on my study table, that is why a few pics got stationary and keyboard hahaha...

Anyway, a hamster is happy enough if it has a wheel. Do not let it roam freely without you watching lah if you wanna let it out of the cage.

Why are they scared? Give you a scenario.... say you were small like a hamster, and a giant monster take you as a pet. You like? You of course scared rite? Then later you and monster also cannot communicate since got language barrier. At first you damn scared but when monster feed you, you suddenly realise got food and feel comfortable. Then all of the sudden the monster pick you up and molest you up in the air.... you also don't like rite? So it is the same with hamsters.

You gotta make them get used to you. Teach them that your hand is good and won't give pain. NEVER catch them out of their house. You are intruding into their safe haven which makes handtrusting worst than you started. Is like a stranger from the street came into your house, open your bed room door and drag you out into the road... same feeling lah.

Ah, that is a very good idea for a play pen heheheh... I only let my hamsters run on my table... I know some people let their hamsters play on their beds coz safer and is a big space for a hamster heheheh.

Well, you lucky your hybrid hamsters are ok. Last time my hybrids were very aggressive... well, I was young that time and didn't know what were hybrids and also it was rare to find winter whites... so bought and then regreted coz they bite really hard whenever I handle them and they also cannot sit still on my palm. Well, this is very normal with petshop stock to me these days. So it really depends on luck when purchasing a hamster from a petshop.

BlueHeng said liao... hahah...

Most hamsters have their own sleeping positions. Some like to sleep on their backs, some like to curl on their sides, some sleep on their tummies while some sleep curl in balls...

I do not think BlueHeng would be jealous of your WW turn winter coat coz his Pearl is 100% winter coat and will stay winter coat forever

You got white vinegar at home? What you do is wipe the area with some vinegar... do not wash the area la. Like say you place on the table, you se white vinegar... smear some around the cage base and leave it to air dry. Then it should ward off ants for a short time. You gotta repeat it when you start to see ant again.

OMG... do you know oranges of any sort is dangerous for hamsters? Too much can lead to wet tail, also orange seeds and almost every kind of fruit seeds is quite dangerous since it is not digestable and can cause intestine blockage. Only seeds from flowers and nuts are safe for rodents but not fruits. Even grape seeds are dangerous.

Yups, you are right. Never ever feed oranges, to be on the safe side.... I mean, better safe than sorry later.

Why did you put a Golden hamster with a robo and a winter white? Do you know those 3 hamsters are different species? Did you know that it is NATURAL for your golden hamster to kill? Coz you have made him feel threaten and angry. Golden hamsters are Syrians and they do not live in groups... they are solitary and putting different species together will just made his attitude worst.

No, he bites not because he tasted flesh, is because he is angry and stressed. The biting is a habit. Never poke your fingers into the cage, you are just provoking your hamster to bite you. Hamsters hate it when peopel try to touch them in cages. I think you should stop touching and holding him for awhile. Now if you wanna handle him, do use a cup to scoop him out and place him on your paml slowly. Never put your hand into the cage to pick or catch the hamster.

The problem is not the hamster but from your previous care where you place different species together.

I think this is coz petshops never give proper advice. Some may say sunflower seeds are the best food to give....

You poke last time... do you know you are actually provoking him and invading his territory? Syrians are solitary, they actually do not like even humans to kacau them at all. Hamsters are not like dogs that needs social attention.

Poking thru bars makes your hamster just stressed and angry.

Why is he biting the bars? Coz he is VERY bored. I think you do not provide enough mental stimulation. Is the wheel more than 8 inches? Do you provide a hide house? Are there any wooden things to chew on? If you do not provide those things, your hamster has a lot of stress harboured in side so he got no other means to release its energy so that is why he chew the bars.

Better you change his house from a cage to a storage box or a glass aquarium. The bigger the better.

Size is not standard if you look at hobbyist terms... petshops that give cheap stuff will sell 1 size and is not suitable for syrian hamsters. The ones normally comes with the cage is the right size for dwarf hamster. Syrians, really must buy proper wheel.

A 3 storey cage is not amazing for a hamster... rats and mice only like 3 storey
cages coz they can climb and have a tail to support.Hamsters are more to ground dwelling... a bit of height is ok.

Toilet paper cylinder is too small for a syrian to feel safe. Do get a hide house for it. You will make his life so much happier.

Yes, leave him alone. Stop trying to touch or poke him. Also, use a cup or glove to pick him up, not catch him coz it would terrify him if you were to catch him.

Haha... you remembered bout the cheeseburger thing.

Yah, the alfalfa pellets you can give your rabbits. For me not a problem since my hamsters try and finish all their food. Leave only a few alfalfa pellets and some wheat grain.

Alfalfa is not tasty to hamsters. Also, hamsters are seed eaters, not grass eaters. Alfalfa is actually a type of grass that is high protein and high calcium. Usually rabbits and guinea pigs love these since tasty but hamsters would only nibble at it.

Delikate smart... they know not many people can tell bout hamster food. Actually, the alfalfa pellets and wheat grains are one of the cheapest pelleted food and grains around so they use it to make their food packet look big and heavy only.

Anyway, I mix 4 brands of hamster food to form 1 BIG stock of food for my pets hahaha... but from what I can see, they finish everything but leave a few alfalfa pellets and small wheat grain(Habitrail), some red pellets(Prestige) and a few corn pellets. That's all. Usually I find everything finished Bowl clean clean wan.. Only my Syrians leave more of the alfalfa pellets around.

Some sleeping hamster pics.

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Yes, it is the normal plastic tank with the red, blue, pink or green cover. Cheap.... well, I can say RM30 can buy you a size better than a cage.

My advice is buy tank coz it gives less stress to your hamsters and also make it easier for you to see and take pictures of them. Habitrail is not worth it lah.... then RM30 plastic tank is much better. Safer.