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kizwan
post Nov 30 2020, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Nov 26 2020, 02:51 PM)
your tank looks spacious
maybe enough space for the amano too

aiya
i no go to pasar
wonder if we can feed them our nail cuttings
its calcium also
i read eggshell also can
but i dont cook

the pea 1day+ inside tank
nearly every hour i check
they are still eating
should i leave it there ?

strange
got 2 dead shrimps
beside the pea
but others are eating heartily
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Check your water parameter; gh, kh, ph, etc.
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post Dec 8 2020, 04:28 PM

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I put Chinese Algae Eater & to my surprise they are grazing the BBA on the leaves. At first I unable to ID them whether they're Siamese Algae Eater or Chinese Algae Eater & my LFS don't know either. I bought 3 of the fish anyway. Hopefully they eat all of the BBA before they loose interest.
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post Dec 15 2020, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 14 2020, 10:48 PM)
reusing soil is an eyeopener
& i tot have to throw after 1 or 2 years
this is useful

there is even npk fertiliser
didnt know this
hmm.. this is quite advanced level
compost soil i suppose is not those gerden type which i hv
thus the challenge will also be cost
all these special aquarium soil wont come cheap

his tank completely sealed at top
it looks tidy
can fill up the tank to the top
& dont have to deal with water splattering out from bubblers

i din knw water plants
propagate so easily
snip & plant
really nice composition
like a salad bowl

tx for d share !
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Yeah, you can reuse soil. When you are constantly scaping & re-scraping, you can end up with extra used soil. Just dump them in a container.

For fertilizer, Seachem sold NPK separately while Aquaforest have them in one bottle. Iron is another nutrient that I read very useful if you get it in standalone bottle.

One of my tank use organic compost soil. Plant growth is 2-3 times faster compares to non-organic soil tank, both are low tech setup. The compost soil is the ones sold RM2 per bag. I made a mistake by not sifting it to remove dead roots & small wood chips in it. It crashed with BGA after few months of good run. I end up adding fine sand to get total depth of more than 3 inches to fix BGA. So, if you use organic soil, either compost or top soil, sifting them before using in aquarium. Some people like to "bake" the soil in microwave or oven before using it. Btw, top soil is 5 to 10 inches of outermost layer of soil. Yeah, you can use soil from your backyard. Basically one inch layer of organic soil & one inch of fine gravel or fine sand on top. Some people like to use less organic soil, less than one inch. Just make sure tank is heavily planted, like at least 70 to 80% of the space is covered with plant.

I just want to add one thing. With my experience with dirt tank, is what people called low tech tank with organic soil, I really appreciate the hardiness of the cryptocoryne. I have cryptocoryne "Red" Wendtii & no algae dare to touch it. Maybe little coat of BGA but BBA do not dare to touch it. Java Fern, another hardy plant, heavily infested with BBA.

If you have shrimps, Tank cover is a must I think. You can custom made using plexiglass.

For stem plants, that's how you propogate. Trim & plant. For rhizome plant, you'll need to include rhizome if you want to propogate it.
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post Dec 17 2020, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 16 2020, 10:32 PM)
wow
didnt know garden soil also can use for aquarium
really have to be meticulous like u wrote
to use them
i m really afraid to try it
haha
later the aquarium become black
or fungus grow

the garden soil
can b used for seedling immerse method too ?
can i miix 1 : 1 lava soil to compost ?
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If done correctly, it shouldn't be any issue. That is why you need a layer of cap on top. Don't worry no fungus. The water also doesn't turn black. There is another method to prepare the soil which is involving baking it in oven or microwave. Also in addition to sifting the soil to remove dead roots & small wood chips, you can submerge the soil. Remove everything that floats.

There are two opinions in using dirt; 1) put only small amount of layer of dirt, 2) deep substrate including cap between 3 to 6 inches. I won't go into details because there's a lot to talk about in this subject. All I know, you can't go wrong with any one of them. One inch layer of dirt is good but if you put more than that, make sure the depth of the substrate including cap must at least 3 inches.

For the first month don't put any fish or invertebrate. You can put feeder shrimps / local ghost shrimp / Thailand ghost shrimp after 2 weeks to handle algae that may appear during that time. Also make sure you use compost that doesn't contain any additives like chemical additives.

What do you mean by seeding immerse method?
I don't know why you need to mix with lava soil. You can I think.
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post Dec 17 2020, 01:14 PM

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Java fern in clean water after 10 minutes of bleach treatment (9:1 water to bleach ratio) to get rid BBA. The Chinese algae eater did eat most of the BBA. I should have done this sooner. Look at the damages on the leaves because of the BBA.
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post Dec 19 2020, 02:41 AM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 18 2020, 11:12 PM)
oh
i was thinking whether mixing compost + lava soil
will bring down the 'richness'
& therefore reduce ammonia nitrate spike

i mean can we sprout seedlings the emerse method
using compost too ?
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There's no need to do that. In a month, nitrifying bacteria will colonise the soil & your plants will be growing. There you have two things that will take care ammonia, nitrite & nitrate. Organics decomposition in the soil going to release CO2 which will helps growth. If you setup two low tech tank; one with commercial aquasoil & another one with dirt (compost, top soil, etc), plants grow faster & healthier in dirt tank.

I think you can sprout seedings with compost.

QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 18 2020, 11:12 PM)
wah
it will look funky in the tank
with those holes

i have cotton fungus growing on the spiderwood
strangely the driftwood is not affected
some articles say it is dangerous
some say it will go away
i have poured boiling water
but it came back
will the shrimps eat them ?
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Yeah. It will look funky. I could cut all the leaves & let it grow back in a couple of months. Apparently, some aquarist do this to newly bought fern.

Owh, that fungus. Yeah it'll go away. It may return after you clean it but it'll go away for good. I don't remember whether I got it too but all of my driftwood was boiled for 30 minutes before putting into the tank. Bristlenose pleco is one of the first fish I put in the tank. Apparently bristlenose pleco is one of the animal that eat this fungus. The other two are nerite snails & otocinclus.
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post Dec 20 2020, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Dec 20 2020, 06:42 PM)
I see.., never knew got such thing. But problem is my tank got two glass panel at the front and rear...and the side already occupied with the light stand and two output/input hoses.
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Plexiglas. Easier to customize.
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post Dec 22 2020, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 21 2020, 09:21 PM)
if my current crop fails
i will restart the planting
mix compost with the soil
cos they dont look too healthy

anyway
i forgot to quarantine a new plant
& plopped it into the tank
& all the old & new shrimps died
rclxub.gif
i think i'll take a break year end
continue 2021
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Yeah, different people, different approach. For me, if the crop damaged because of algae or deficiency, I correct the problem. When the problem solved, new growth will be healthy. Then I would trim, removed damaged part & re-planted the healthy ones. It would take weeks or months, depends on the severity of the problem. The plants with rhizome, as long as the roots & rhizomes are healthy, it should grow back.

There's no reason to mix soil. Just use one or the other.

You don't need to quarantine new plants. Rinse with dechlorinated water is all you need. Your soil still leaching ammonia I think. I think you should focus on your plants first. Once you done re-scraping your tank & the plants grow well, then you can add shrimps. I would check ammonia at least before putting any shrimp.
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post Dec 22 2020, 10:06 PM

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QUOTE(frankzane @ Dec 22 2020, 07:09 PM)
Thanks. Will acrylic turns yellowish after some times?
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No, they don't turn yellow
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post Dec 27 2020, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 27 2020, 10:17 AM)
Ya
I think i shld pay more attn
To my aquascape 1st
B4 gettin carried away with
Puttin in shrimps

Btw
I m back in hometown
& noticed these
Which look like aquatic plants..
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I read that vine plant can grow under water & they look beautiful when they grow out of the water.

Plant in second pic, I did try & they did grow well underwater. It even produced shoots & flower. However, the lower part, from root, melted after a while. Maybe nutrients deficiency because I did not dose anything that time.
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post Dec 29 2020, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Dec 27 2020, 10:36 PM)
wah
so u tried
thats adventurous
i'll dig some up & bring back kl
do share if u have any interesting
plants in yr tank

the 1st 1 is hydrocotyle
vulgaris or verticillata
i check online
saw it sold for abt rm10

but strange
these plants grow in the garden
under the sun
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I just take a look the 2nd pic again in my computer. I think that is different plant that I tried in my aquarium. The one in your pic have jagged leaves while the one I tried have non-jagged leaves.

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This is old photo when I tried the plant in my tank. The reason is because they grow well naturally in the water. On land they grow shorter.
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post Dec 31 2020, 11:43 AM

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End of 2020. The only year we won't missed.

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post Jan 12 2021, 12:10 PM

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Hello,

I need help identifying this fish. They're bottom dwellers & very active. Like to eat blanched zucchini that I put in for my bristlenose pleco.

Thanks to my cat, from 6 down to 3 of this fish in my tank.

EDIT: Nevermind. It is Silver Flying Fox (Crossocheilus reticulatus), also known as the Reticulated Siamese Algae Eater, Fishnet Flying Fox, and Reticulated Flying Fox, is a close relative of the more common Siamese Algae Eater (C. reticulatus).

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post Jan 19 2021, 10:59 PM

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QUOTE(tachlio @ Jan 14 2021, 07:02 PM)
SAE is better algae eater for my POV.
Can Combo with Nerite snail + Yamato
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I need to get nerite snails. Mine died few months ago.
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post Jan 23 2021, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(brapa? @ Jan 23 2021, 11:09 PM)
ahh
so they can adapt
keep yr fotos coming ..
would love to see how others do their tanks
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i brought back the pegaga-like plant
forgot to water it
& it withered sad.gif
will hav to wait for mco to over
& go back take a new plant

anyone use liquid co2 ?
as gas co2 seems so xpensif
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I saw some seller sell complete set for RM300 at aquascape fb club. Or you can try DIY co2 using acid citric & baking soda. Even with DIY you will be itching to get a solenoid. If I remember correctly, solenoid for DIY co2 is a lot cheaper.
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post Jan 25 2021, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(tachlio @ Jan 24 2021, 10:09 PM)
liquid Co2 is not equal to actual Co2 that plant needs, its normally using to kill algae.

Better direct invest on proper Co2 system, those DIY style, you unable control amount of Co2, fluctuation of Co2 causing more algae issue.
I using 2L tank @10g tank, used from >6month, still having plenty inside.
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I agree but I have seen a lot of success with DIY co2.
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post Jan 27 2021, 11:01 AM

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tehoice

I think you are up to a good start. Your experience have served you well. On the fertilizer subject, I consider myself in a camp where I don't believe excess nutrients can cause algae unless there's deficiency occurred as well. Since I & others have experience phosphate deficiency, I think you should dose phosphorus as well because I believe the amount of phosphorus in our tap water is too small. Also since Nitrogen (nitrate) & phosphorus go together, you should dose Nitrogen as well.

It is good idea to start Flourish with once a week until your tank balanced & after that you can increase to 2 times a week & as your plant grow more, 3 times a week. I read plant can store phosphate really well, so once or twice a week should be enough.

This is just opinion. 😁
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post Jan 27 2021, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(Clueless07 @ Jan 27 2021, 10:50 AM)
good discussion....
i am also struggling on doing fertilization.

when started my scaping journey 18 months ago... my though is the soil should give enough fert.... i was damn wrong
then started getting 2 fert... only realized both also micro..... bangwall.gif
now using NPK from JBL, and top up K from JBL, and continuum for micro... dosing also not really consistant. Try to do it 2X macro 1 x micro per week.

recently only got a diary to mark it down- the WC, macro and micro so hopefully can follow consitantly.

As my JBL is finishing- now switching to 2hr Aquarist... see if it helps.

My intentions is
Sunday WC + Macro
Tuesday Micro
Thursday Macro
any comments?

also been struggling with staghorn and BBA on the moss...
Java moss is really hard to take care. need to keep trimming and flow ever where.
i am converting some to Xmas moss.
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I have been dosing micro (Flourish) & macro (aquaforest af macro) on the same day. So far I don't see any problem. I read since we're dosing ferts in large body of water, there should not be any issue where other nutrients such as iron reacting with phosphate to form a precipitate (I read if it does it will form a cloudy white powder that fall to the bottom).

BTW, I just destroyed my first tank because of BBA. Mine confirmed BBA because it is black & hairy instead of white. Grow on the edge of the old leaves. When new leaves grow, the new old leaves also got infected. CAE did eat BBA because majority old leaves become clean from BBA but that is not enough because it reappear on the new old leaves. The plants was growing so well. I dip all of the plants in bleach solution but the mixture is too strong & I dip too long. 9:1 water to bleach (clorox) mixture for 5 minutes dip. Well it turn out many people dip in 20:1 or 25:1 mixture for 1 to 3 minutes, some people do it less than a minute. Majority of stem plant died. The ones that survived, majority of the leaves fall off but recovering because new leaves appearing. I trimmed plants from my other tank & planted them in my first tank. I'm either buy new plants or wait a couple of weeks to trim plants from my other tank & plant it in my first tank.

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post Jan 28 2021, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jan 27 2021, 12:04 PM)
haha, been doing that many many years ago, and lately during my shrimp keeping journey, i'd still in touch with plants.
thanks for your comments on the phosphorus and nitrogen, but they will need in a very very small quantity, no? that's why my comment earlier is that, we likely dont need to dose extra as the minimal amount is already present in the tap water.

yeah, for now, i'm dosing flourish once a week, wait till i put more plants into it and see how they do.
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For macro, they need in large quantities. Before dosing macro, my stem plant doesn't grow well. Typical phosphate deficiency, like small new leaves, stunted growth. I don't think our tap water contain enough phosphate. However, my other tank that use organic soil (compost) doesn't have phosphate deficiency. I think the plant get extra phosphate from the soil.

Yeah, I agree. For now let see how your plants progress first.
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post Jan 29 2021, 12:29 PM

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I've decided to try dosing macro & micro on alternate days. To see how my plants react to it.

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