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post Jan 29 2015, 06:20 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 29 2015, 06:16 AM)
it is said even the GTX600 series would support DX12

heck, even Fermi is rumored to support DX12 sweat.gif

as for whether it supports full, i think itll be like DX11 vs DX9 vs DX10 again?
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Oh really? wow... lol
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post Jan 30 2015, 08:58 AM

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Update from nVidia:-

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Hello,

I'm sorry that what I wrote was poorly worded, I realize I made it sound like there was a special patch or something and that is definitely not the case. We are always working on new drivers that tune performance and add features, the GTX 970 is no different.

Are you having a specific issue with the 970 that I can help you with? Unfortunately we made an error in the reviewer guide but the GTX 970 is one of the best GPU's we've ever built.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-ge...ions,28464.html
Let me know how I can help.

Peter@nVidia
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post Jan 30 2015, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jan 30 2015, 09:01 AM)
In other words they're not going to fix it ?  Screw Nvidia I'm going to sell my card if they do not offer fix or refund
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1. I guess they will try to improve your gaming experience (same like every driver update. Just don't expect 3.5GB become real 4GB)
2. You need to define the word "fix". What is "fix"? If fix it become 4GB is impossible. No way they can fix that. Improve gaming experience will be done though.
3. As usual, nVidia will tell you that the gaming experience is same since the launch of GTX970. They are very proud.

P/S: I notice you have SLI GTX970. I think you are the worst victim here. Most affected person in this problem is SLI GTX970.

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post Jan 30 2015, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:12 AM)
Does it have lower benchmark score? No, as far as I can tell.
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Nope. But from across the internet, SLi user are affected the most because they thought they wanna run multi monitor or 4k setup.
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post Jan 30 2015, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 30 2015, 09:15 AM)
Benchmark is useless because FPS and stuttering is different. On some games you may have high FPS can get bad stuttering until cannot play. All depends on games, and GTX 980 aren't affected.
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Benchmark vs real life blush.gif
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post Jan 30 2015, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:19 AM)
We will need to see how far it affected the 4K games.

As far as shikimori's case is concerned, he is running SLI on U2913WM, which is 1080p.
Is the performance affected? Again, which games? Can it be fixed by either firmware or driver?
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Performance is affected by:-
a) game played
b) game setting

Again, you have to define fixed.

1) Do you mean fixed like fixed it become real 4GB memory?
Answer: Nope
2) Do you mean fixed like fixed the performance issue?
Answer: As always, nVidia will improve the performance of its driver to increase the performance of its card in games.
But based on this:-
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I realize I made it sound like there was a special patch or something and that is definitely not the case

Seems like there will not be a special patch/ROM/driver fix for the specific 3.5GB/4GB issue.

So there you go.
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post Jan 30 2015, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 09:59 AM)
Already read many reports on the VRAM issue.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/middle-ea...tress-test.html

The performance is the same. Still the best bang for a buck card you can get.
Yeah, deal with it.
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If that conclusion make you feel any better, then good. Some people just don't like being cheated. Also this is effectively 3.5GB card.
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post Jan 30 2015, 10:13 AM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 30 2015, 10:08 AM)
Same here, and the most unacceptable thing here is nVidia took more than 4 months to realize this issue. doh.gif sweat.gif
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And then top it off with no official announcement. No official spec changes. What we have now is PCPer announcement. LOL
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post Jan 30 2015, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 10:10 AM)
To be honest, I don't feel any bad at all.
Why? It delivers the same result I expected from this card.
Why should I feel sad?

I don't look at the specs alone.
I look at the performance as well.

Look at the performance hit between GTX980 and GTX970.
It makes perfect sense.
So, why should I feel sad? Over that 0.5GB? With the same performance delivered?

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/middle-ea...tress-test.html
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That is probably why in the first place, nVidia decided not to tell us about this configuration.

They probably thought, well, the performance hit is not noticeable now. We better don't tell all. laugh.gif


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post Jan 30 2015, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jan 30 2015, 11:18 AM)
Technically the performance is the same as I first bought it.
Technically it is way way better than any previous generation card (i.e. GTX760) in terms of performance.
Technically it is still the best card in MYR1K category.

So, what's there complain? What options do we have?

Not happy from existing owners? Sell it and get something you happy with.
Not happy from potential buyers? Get something you happy with.
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Yeah, like I said, if you're happy with the card, then good for you. brows.gif
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post Jan 30 2015, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 30 2015, 11:50 AM)
An vid made by pcper, this is a pretty clear explanation on how the memory segmentation works for the gtx970

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Weird right? nVidia doesn't talk about this in official channel. It subcontract to PCPer.
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post Jan 30 2015, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Jan 30 2015, 11:56 AM)
yeah it's weird, the only reason I guess they dont want to drop the bombshell is to prevent having the mass of gtx 970 being return back to the manufacturers.
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Probably they hope nobody knows except those in the forum or reading tech news.

QUOTE(InvestThing @ Jan 30 2015, 11:56 AM)
So I'm an owner of MSI GTX970 Tiger, after reading some news of the GTX970 memory issue, how will this affect me?

It seems to affect high resolution gaming.. am wondering will it hit me as well? Currently using a shitty 19" monitor for gaming purposes.

Its a hardware design issue right? Means for it to be corrected they will have to change their whole hardware.. can't be corrected by software updates right?

Am currently running games like DragonAge Inq & Bioshock Infinite on highest setting level and it still runs fine.. just wondering what would the impact be after reading up on the latest news.
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Its hardware issue. They already said not going to fix it because it is design as such. To nVidia, it is not a bug. And yes, it cannot be corrected by software, driver or BIOS.

The outcome of this is that your card is effectively 3.5GB.
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post Jan 30 2015, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 30 2015, 12:09 PM)
Dude, you're really having a field day eh?  rclxms.gif
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Already have for past few days thumbup.gif
Also do it in Geforce forum.

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post Jan 30 2015, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 30 2015, 12:10 PM)
Good, pretty much explains everything. Thanks.  biggrin.gif
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I hope we both learn from this fiasco rclxms.gif
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post Jan 30 2015, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 30 2015, 12:23 PM)
Indeed. 'It is not a bug, it is a feature', said nvidia.

I recalled during Geforce 8800 gtx era, when nvidia forced AIB/OEM and its driver to set GPU fan spins faster so that when the gpu failed, it will be out of warranty period, users were complaining about the loud fan and this was exactly what Nvidia said to press/forum, "'It is not a bug, it is a feature".
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nVidia has been a shady company since then I guess... lol

and ofcourse bumpgate and others..

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post Jan 30 2015, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 30 2015, 12:38 PM)
AMD also shady company as well....

Promise this and that, never deliver....mostly.
1) Promised 4K H264 DXVA acceleration on existing gpu product, last last said only for GCN 1.2 GPU.
2) Where is the power saving mentioned?
3) Mantle API, said will be release before 2015, until now still not publicly available.
4) Legendary 2D mode flickering, black screen, excessive gpu thermal throttling.
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Not as shady as nVidia.

1) well, at least it is broken promise. Your AMD card is still the same spec when you bought it.
2) I'm not sure.
3) Well, your AMD still same spec
4) probably bug or something.

GTX970 issue involved spec changes. Imagine the TV you bought is written 4K AMOLED. But its actually Pentile AMOLED. laugh.gif
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post Jan 30 2015, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 30 2015, 12:53 PM)
1) No comment on this  cry.gif
2)  sweat.gif
3) I bought R7 260X specifically for mantle API improvement. Turn out the so called 40% improvement for Battlefield 4 is not really true. Still hoping....
4) Actually, it is hardware issue. In fact, most AMD AIB issued VBIOS to disable the power saving ability for its GPU VRAM. GPU core itself unaffected. Which is back to (2)

Then I bought GTX970 only to discover about the 3.5GB issue few weeks later.  doh.gif
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wah, you really sui... laugh.gif

But ok la. Some people say they still very very happy.
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post Jan 30 2015, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 30 2015, 01:10 PM)
I think the only purchase that worth my money is Gainward ATI HD 4850 Golden Sample 1GB.

My first gaming GPU is Geforce 8800gts or x, cant remember, it died after 8 months due to bumpgate  cry.gif

Then I bought the HD4850. (This one still alive and running)

Next, directx11 games are too many, decided to get R7 260X when it was out in the market for its Mantle API claim and FreeSync.
There goes the many issue I encountered until the main issue 2d flickering fixed with VBIOS 3 months ago..... (keeping it in box now)

By the time R7 260X fixed by VBIOS update by disabling VRAM power management.....I bought ASUS GTX970 Styrix lor

Then one of the cap was faulty, send for RMA.....I just got it back this week....

.....3.5gb issue confirmed  shocking.gif
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eh, if 8 months died, you can't RMA 8800gts meh?

my gpu seldom die on me. But my sapphire HD5850 HMDI dead after 1 year. sweat.gif
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post Jan 30 2015, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(JohnLai @ Jan 30 2015, 01:17 PM)
That time, I was young leh.......I simply believed the shop owner who told me warranty only for 6 months.

Fast forward few years, I learn about factory warranty and shop based warranty.
That mother****** cheater shop owner! mad.gif
Incidentally, I also learn more of computing stuff. nod.gif

Edit: grammer mistake, damn autocorrect
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oh that sucks... yeah, last time most tech shop are full of cheaters and liars.. coz we dunno mah
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 30 2015, 01:26 PM)
It is useless to talk with people that don't have good comprehension of what we're aactually talking about. They don't know the difference between frames per second and frametime.
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I think probably he doesn't feel any spike when he play game (maybe due to non-demanding game setting). Furthermore in the PCPer review, the frametimes is worse with GTX970 but not as bad as expected due to 3.5GB VRAM. It seems PCPer is protecting nVidia lololol...



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