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 ringgit Malaysia drop , how to I change my RM to USD

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post Aug 16 2015, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 16 2015, 01:57 AM)
see how quickly things change in just 2 months?! biggrin.gif

today:
1. Put S$1000 in FD renew on maturity from 1997-2015 = S$1208.84
2. Put RM1790 in FD renew on maturity from 1997-2015 = RM3652.44
3. S$1208.84 x 2.90 (aug 2015) = RM3505.64

interest rate parity will fulfill its "prophecy" when rate gets to 3.02. laugh.gif

anyone care to do for the usd?

one quick and dirty speculative approach: 3.02/2.90 x 4.08 = 4.25. sweat.gif
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Your 4.25 has certain academic standing. That may be the final stabilized exchange rate while SGD could be 3.02, based on interest rate parity

But politics could thwart the numbers into space tongue.gif
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post Aug 16 2015, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 16 2015, 08:20 AM)
Showtime747,

Then, please answer my question.  If BNM print unlimited RM, FOREIGNER no longer buys Malaysia Government's bond, how is THE GOVERNMENT going to finance the budget deficit??

Please note that 2 millions to 2.5 millions of THE MAJORITY are on THE GOVERNMENT's pay roll.  THE GOVERNMENT has to increase their pay / income to beat inflation in order to stay in power.

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P.S.:  "Don't worry, be happy!!".  There will be enough DUMMIES out there to buy ASx to supply the money.
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My answer : if BNM need to print unlimited RM, malaysia economy will collapse, and hence MGS will become junk bonds. But, mind you, even junk bonds has a market tongue.gif

My guess is by the time Malaysia economy collapsed, government will changed, and slowly confidence will be restored. But Malaysian will have to suffer 1 round before we move on

But Malaysia does not need to print unlimited RM now. So, Malaysia still can raise funds now

The international ratings still give good ratings to MGS. In fact a slight improvement by Fitch in the most recent announcement. None of the rating agencies has downgraded Malaysia ratings despite the RM slides

So at it is, if Malaysian government still want to issue bonds, there are still some investors willing to take up. Not to mention EPF. Plus those "dummies" as you called them who will hand over their hard earn money if ASx increase interest rate to 8% drool.gif

As it is, I don't think BNM still need to print unlimited RM. Ample of liquidity in RM and BNM has enough to reserve to meet foreign investor who chose to exit malaysia
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post Aug 16 2015, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Aug 16 2015, 09:26 AM)
If he already keluared, why still making fuss here? Not giving the exact situation but keep put negativity here?

Look, I am not from finance or whatever. But I still have my logic in my brain, yes, the current situation is very bad but not that bad until the nation going to collapse...

The whole thing happen is due to LACK OF CONFIDENCE. Once the thing resolve, I believe KLCI shoot up to 1900 isn't a big problem just a matter of time.

He keep saying thing is going be like Greece and still got people feeding the bait and asking withdrawal limits. If he want to spread the rumour, why don't just make it very clear and asking people start to pile up cash under the pillow rite?

Another thing I don't understand why hekeep saying people who invest in ASNB is dumb. I mean, yes, if gov take money from the ASNB, don't you think they will did the same to MBB TNB PETRONAS RHB MBSH TH KWAP????!!!!! All the blue chip will be suffered. If yes, then how?

The world is working upon threshold, if anything gonna happen, threshold triggered, things will start to cleared off.

He keep saying people should invest in foreign market or whatever foreign currency acc. But this about it, if a household income of 8k got children etc etc, how to invest, even UT is problem for them. What to do just keep in local bank. Then he say local bank will collapse.... if like that go back to system barter better!
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I think unker thinks he has a mission to save malaysian. He is giving warning to people just in case they didn't know the situation is bad enough

But to those who have the ability to make their own judgement (like you). they know what is best for themselves.

Actually not a bad thing to have people like unker to warn us what could be the WORST in store. I give benefit of the doubt to unker, and keep at the back of my mind that malaysia economy collapsing is a possibility if nothing in politics is changed

Anyhow, I agree with you at this point in time, the situation is bad and worrying, but not that bad until collapsing
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post Aug 16 2015, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 16 2015, 09:47 AM)
I'll be defensive if I have right what that was wrong earlier, especially if it comes from someone who did not read earlier posts and start throwing in unjustified accusations, also known as misconstrued judgement - FROM YOU. Sure, I agree it's a rumour, and I'm glad the rumour is busted,.. fine,... but again, read earlier posts, I was the onewho agreed to it that's it's a rumour. I'll leave my rantings here to focus on more concrete debates.

I appreciated yours and Cherroy's feedback. So,...again to you, looks like I am under-knowledged on international finance. Well, I'm glad I have enuough investments and instrumnts that are still doing well in these economic times. Hmm,...  hmm.gif like you said 'I have very little knowledge on economics'....if someone who has very little knowledge on economics can still perform at this level, then,.. well,... biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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You may be very lucky all these while ? tongue.gif
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post Aug 16 2015, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 16 2015, 10:36 AM)
Interesting,... I HAVE BEEN LUCKY ALL THIS WHILE,.. right, we'll see then. IF my portfolio can stand,... then the whole world should learn from me. If my portfolio dies moving forward,... then that's all to it,... should have bought Unker's Vanguard Funds then. MOment of Truth,...it's okay,...  rclxms.gif
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Friend, I am just being sarcastic. You can't even read and understand tongue.gif

Like guy3288 said, having more money does not mean you are right. And vice versa. If what you think is true, then economics professor will be the richest man on earth

Just accept that you initially believed in that rumour lah. Everybody saw that clearly tongue.gif

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Aug 16 2015, 10:41 AM)
I diversified my investmnts inside and outside of Msia. Inside..., into yield props (like many here) and ASX Funds (Ramjade). Outside - into stocks and funds, as advised by Dreamer,... but have not really bought into the Vanguard FUnds yet. So,... this is DIVERSIFICATION - inside AND outside of Msia. Let's see if can stand !
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You are really a person who is seriously lack of confidence. Out of nowhere, you have to show to the whole world what you have and what you did. So that you believe by showing what you have and what you did will add more weight to your opinion tongue.gif

Ya ya ya, we all know you have RM10m. But that has got nothing to do with you believing the rumour that banks in malaysia will limit cash withdrawal of RM3k doh.gif
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post Aug 16 2015, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 16 2015, 11:02 AM)
Shall we put a stop on who believe or not on the unfounded rumour.
The rumour is busted, no point to discuss further.
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Noted.

No point teaching some people who is unwilling to learn
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post Aug 16 2015, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Aug 16 2015, 11:23 AM)
Folks,
I'm a little confused about the purpose of this thread.

Won't it be more productive if we discussed what can actually be done by the average Malaysian to get through this troubled period ? I know we have quite a number of knowledgable and experienced forumers here.

Anyway, here's an opinion to consider on the USD movement :
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...real-on-liftoff
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To me, it is like gambling now.

I still remember not long ago when USD went from 3.0 to 3.6, the same questions like yours came up. Some believe it will stop at 3.8, some thought it would go beyond. Some even thought it would go back to 3.3. On hindsight, those gambled to stop at 3.8 lost. Those acted on their prediction that it will go beyond 3.8 won the gamble

Same situation now. Will it go beyond 4.0 ? 4.5 maybe ? Or come back down 3.8 or 3.6 ? The stake is big (relative), with US$100k for eg, if it goes to 4.5, you gain RM50k. That is 12.5%

The gamble is significant in a volatile market, if you are in a position to gamble that is (ie you have cash to decide to buy US$ or not). If no spare cash, the person can only watch and pray for RM to perform better

Ways I can think of for ordinary Malaysian to hedge include

1. Buy US$ in local banks by opening a foreign currency account
2. Buy US$ greenback from money changer and keep the cold hard cash (easiest, but can lose the paper money)
3. invest in U.S. Stock (even local share platform can do this)
4. invest in bursa companies with big portion or revenue in USD.
5. UNit trust with investment in US stock market
6. ETF in US$ (refer to unker dreamer's thread)

Of course there are ways other than the above
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post Aug 16 2015, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 16 2015, 12:04 PM)
Except those could earn foreign income, average Joe could only braced for inflation and subsequent drop in disposable income.
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Don't be too pessimistic lah. You can always switch your FD to USD. Although close to zero interest

You can also look for jobs in Singapore and earn SGD. Better than MYR

If you really are total lost in confidence in RM, sell everything you got including your parents house, and convert to USD. Of course that is extreme case.

Everyone can do something, not just sit there doing nothing. Although I agree with you most will do nothing and hope for the best. That is human nature. Where is your photo of a frog getting boiled slowly ?
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post Aug 16 2015, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 16 2015, 12:20 PM)
i had always like sam chee kong's (economic adviser to NUBE) write ups - sound arguments backed up with lots of data.

his latest one is about the rm.

if interested, read it. u might get some answers u are looking for.

ok, it's just one man's view in a blog, ya?! biggrin.gif

http://samcheekong.blogspot.com/
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You better check got "rumour" inside the blog or not. Later you kena accused again by some very knowledgable people who makes tonnes of money tongue.gif
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post Aug 16 2015, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 16 2015, 12:33 PM)
no la. this guy is a reputable economist, a responsible one.

read his stuff, you'll see see what i mean... biggrin.gif
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Very chim. Too many graphs. Can read only at night bed time tongue.gif
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post Aug 16 2015, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 16 2015, 01:19 PM)
Unless one expect myr to drop below 4.50 to US$, converting assets to US$ at this moment may be too late.
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Many people have the same thoughts when RM drop to 3.60 not long ago

Same question now when it is 4.00. Up to 4.50 ? Remain at 4.00 ? Drop back to 3.60 ?

As I have said, it is a gamble. Up to your own self to decide.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Aug 17 2015, 03:30 PM)
Incorrect.

When your currency become "cheap", more MNCs like to use your country as manufacturing hub, labour wages become cheaper in term of USD, they can profit more by setting up factory here. Hence you will have more export increase.

While, when your currency depreciated, import goods become more expensive which hinder consumer to consume more import goods, which resulted a big shrink in import.

Currency rate drop, more export, shrink in import, you will have more trade surplus.

1998 Asian financial crisis already shown how trade deficit previously being turned into trade surplus after the currency rate dropped down significantly.

There is no incentive to manipulate trade balance figure, nobody can benefit nor lose from it. 

Fyi, Malaysia was in continously trade deficit situation prior 1997, but RM was at Rm2.5 vs 1 USD at that time.
Only turn into surplus after 1998 when currency was pegged at RM3.80.
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From a few of your post above, you emphasized on the advantages of cheap currency. There are also the disadvantages of currency devaluation

One being the inflation rate will spike. Fuel, consumable goods, raw material, machineries will be inflated. This will be reflected in inflation rate eventually. Then wages will be pressured to increase which will again fuel inflation. Interest may need to be increase to curb spending and further increase the cost of doing business. It is a spiral.

There are always 2 sides of currency devaluation. A sudden and severe devaluation like now will shock the economy and the effect will be felt in the coming weeks. Today, my supplier already inform us the price increase for our raw material. We expect more suppliers will have no choice but increase their price. And eventually we have no choice but to pass the costs to our customer too
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QUOTE(markpsp @ Aug 18 2015, 09:22 AM)
Be prepared for even lower Ringgit devaluation in September on the possibility of US interest rate hike news. The only way to preserve the value of Ringgit is for BNM to hike interest rates. BNM has less than 100 billion USD left in foreign reserves. No way they wanna spend all their bullets.

Refer to http://www.theedgemarkets.com/en/article/b...k-us967-billion

My economist friend in Khazanah already confirms that property prices are going downwards the next few years. The incoming recession this round might be worst than 1997 as it will probably last almost a decade.

With the increasing possibility of lower employment rates and business sentiment, many people are cutting down on unnecessary expenditure and companies are lowering their forecast. Commodity prices are trending downwards and will likely stay low for the moment whereas our country's debt remain high. 1MDB alone generates 5 million in interest rates a day. Not sure if our country can continue to service the federal debt in the long term if business is bad. Foreign outflow just contributes more to the "morale" and worsening business sentiment. Hopefully Bank Negara will do something soon.

Good luck have fun guys.
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What is your plan ?

Have you sold everything you have in malaysia including property, car, KLCI stock, unit trust, your watch, your wife's collection of LV bags, redeem your insurance etc, and convert the proceeds from the sale to USD, and at the same time applied for migration ?

If you believe that would happen, I would encourage you to do so, just like what unker dreamer preached.

Or if you think there are >50% chance that would happen, at least sell half of what you have and convert to USD and park them offshore. Very logical move right ?
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Aug 17 2015, 07:51 PM)
If currency drop because of multiple qe to stimulate the economy and drive up business n growth, thats ok.

If the currency drop because foreign fund exit and dumping equity.. tats bad
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My sifu,

Hot money from KLCI came from USA QE. When QE started, KLCI was around 1000 point. And it drove up the KLCI to 1800 over a few years

Now hot money is leaving by dumping equity. So, the bottomline should be 1000 point. Give it some inflation and margin of error 20%, say 1200 point.

So, 1200 is the target and in the meantime, let's short kaw kaw with confidence ! thumbup.gif
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post Aug 18 2015, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Aug 18 2015, 10:09 AM)
Would it be too low target set at 1200? I foresee this is hardly to be happen. Just grab what you think is worth buying instead of just kept waiting there.
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Yea I think so too. But a forummer share a chartist prediction of 1200. I keep that in mind as it is always a possibility. Never know

Many counters now looking cheap thumbup.gif have been buying slowly hopefully on its way until bottom and wait for rebound.
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Aug 18 2015, 10:57 AM)
Wow..

U berry bearish leh..

Kikiki..

So now u prepare to take out your shorts and put it lelong at klse liao?
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KLCI always surprises me. So, I no balls to short tongue.gif

I buy the cheap counters now thumbup.gif
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post Aug 18 2015, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(yck1987 @ Aug 18 2015, 12:10 PM)
today KLCI already up mah...  nod.gif
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Issues not settled yet. Will go back down. Then can buy again tongue.gif

RM no rebound but getting worse doh.gif
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Aug 18 2015, 11:08 AM)
why u let ur wives keep it?

go take it back
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Too risky for my liking lah. Unless I follow you 1 for 1 duplicate your trade exactly tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Aug 18 2015, 12:28 PM)
Ok.. firstly, let me open a fkli acc for u first
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Don't want. Once open no turning back tongue.gif

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