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post Sep 3 2015, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(netmask8 @ Sep 2 2015, 11:22 PM)
Trade Surplus is finished goods export out from Msia is more than what we imported from other countries.
In term of trade / economy, money receive from the goods sold is more(exports) than money payment for the goods imports.
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So how much is the Trade Surplus able to prop-up our foreign reserves ?
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post Sep 3 2015, 11:45 AM

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There is a debt repayment exercise sometime this month to be performed against the 1MDB Loan. It was claimed earlier that an Abu Dhabi firm will forward abt,... of the top of my head,... 785M USD to help Msia. Subsequently, it was reported that the Abu Dhabi firm is reviewing this commitment.

If the UAE is not going to help Msia, where to get the funds to fulfill this exercise ? And the subsequent exercises, eg coupon payment dates, etc ?

If Msia default this month,... then more turbulence to come.

It is the short-term debts tat I worry about.
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post Sep 3 2015, 12:07 PM

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QUOTE(langstrasse @ Sep 3 2015, 11:54 AM)
More likely to be a quiet bailout by the Malaysian government than a default, I think.
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Where to get the funds from ?? If it is from 'that 700M USD "donation" ', then just one round of this debt repayment exercise will 'wipe out' that donation. You think the person who got the donation is willing to let go of the amt ?

Otherwise, if the funds is gg to come from somewhere in the country,.... it will affect our reserves and surpluses again,...
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post Sep 3 2015, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(yolldddd @ Sep 3 2015, 12:06 PM)
Most probally bnm will probally fill in the gap if malaysia really default as they have a huge reserve smile.gif
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Yes, I have anticipated so,... to plough into that international reservres again. When this happens, then all the other Gov't debts will have a precedence to start ploughing into that same coffer. Well,... it won't be long before our imports will be affected.
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post Sep 3 2015, 02:18 PM

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Does anybody know : how much is Msia's Import Bill and foreign exchange requirement in the last three months, on the average ? Tq.
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post Sep 4 2015, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Sep 4 2015, 02:28 AM)
Except kankong, bean sprout, durian and palm oil; over half of  rice, vegetables, fruits, fish, flour, milk powder,  beef, chicken feed, clothes, etc are imported. Myr depreciation have no impact on everyday life.
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Correct ! The above constitute a major proportion of Indirect Effects.

" 1. Do you shop online from US websites?
2. Are you planning to fly over to US for a holiday?
3. Are you a Malaysian studying in the US?
4. Do you import goods to be resold in Malaysia?
5. Do you buy necessities and food from the US to use here?
6. Do you at all use the US dollar in your daily life?

Only if you answer yes to any of the above, are you affected. "

The above are all Direct Effects.

In terms of inflation being experienced, there are two types of inflation effects affecting us : Direct Effects and Indirect Effects.

I don't think one can escape easily from Indirect Effects, but one can say : yeah,, don't send the children to overseas U's,.. don't travel to The UK and The US, etc,... but one must still eat in Msia. If one wants to plant his own vege's, he must purchase fertilizers too.

Someitmes it's also the timing of events taking shape. It so happens that the price of oil has to drop at the same time as issues are being unfolded in a country. Why can't one event happen after the other ?

LIke I always say, sure, we can look at and comment on the political situation, but I'd rather think of how to circumvent the prblems hitting me directly on my face.






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post Sep 4 2015, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 4 2015, 10:53 AM)
the key danger now is 1mdb loans.

from the way the last int payment was made, high chance it will default eventually given shadowy secretive unexplained stories climaxing now.

question is what impact it will hv on other loans, other banks, mgs, bursa.

the fact they the politicians keep harping "no systematic risk" tells u it is a n issue, however small it may seem then or now.
while we wait for bnm fx data today:

usd/myr 4.257

there isn't much confidence among investors and world community, is there?
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That's right. The IMF has lowered the world growth yesterday. Not much optimism, especially after what China did to its currency lately and the current events unfolding in Chine. The world mkts are so happy that China is taking two days off yesterday and today for their parade.

BUt having said the above, I don'tthink we should say, well, everybody is suffering, so we must suffer too,... like what one ot two are saying here,... things like even HK is worse, other currencies are performing worse than the RM,.... Why must we suffer and not take care of ourselves by moving ahead of the curve rather then stay and suffer together with the world because we think that it is inevitable ?
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post Sep 4 2015, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 4 2015, 10:34 AM)
In all fairness, I think malaysia is in better shape than Greece. We have most of our sovereign debt in RM, not USD (although there are about 30-35% holdings by foreigner) and we still are in charge of our own monetary policy.

Disaster will happen if the manager of our economy continue the same fiscal policy and do not exercise prudence in spending. Over long run, we will have the same fate of Greece. Just that we have a few more monetary tools than Greece to use
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Mkt is forward-looking, so should we. If we, especially our decision-makers up there don't change, then the final result is, after the defaults, the heavy devaluation of the RM, runaway inflation and our stores becomes empty, we will need help from outside. When this happens, that outside body will dictate painful terms onto us.
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post Sep 4 2015, 11:22 AM

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QUOTE(Binyamin @ Sep 4 2015, 11:10 AM)
Yes USD denominated Malaysian debt is relatively low if USD don't get too high. I agree right now it is not an issue. I see 2 different worlds, one is where people are watching out and making plans for a sovereign debt crisis in all emerging countries the other is people are not concern about it.

The total USD denominated debt by the non US countries is 9 trillion USD in which a bit more than half of it is held by emerging countries. There are people I know preparing for a debt crisis world wide because they can measure the extend of the USD rise, but it is only an estimation base on historical data in conjunction with some models.... so hopefully Malaysia will be spared as USD soar. (Sorry I can't quote a lot of facts because I am not sure if they are proprietary or not)
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Judging by the way the USD is strengthening against the RM, soon we will be backed against a wall between wanting to use our reserves to service this debt OR that debt, OR pay the civil servants higher, OR whatever other expenses in the doorway. It's like what we say : too many pots to be covered but not enough pot-covers around. Will there be takers if we issue new bonds anymore, even at higher coupon rates ? Or we will have to live with rules forced onto ourselves by turning to outside help ?

I recalled there was a time quite recently that the Japanese Gov't asked the companies to repatriate funsd back to Japan to help in the fiscal problems. Our Gov't is doing that now. But how many would support his request from the Gov't ? Foreign Funds only care abt protecting themselves and making money, They flee if there are problems, period,... But local investors, outside of The EPF, etc ??



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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 4 2015, 11:21 AM)
So heed unker dreamer's advice and redeem all your ASx today. You will thank me when what you said above come true  tongue.gif
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Wel,.. I have beenforward-looking and having Greece as the 'role model' all this while in the back of my head. Certainly I am not hoping that we will turn out to be like Greece. I still have a lot of friends and loved ones in this ctry. How to 'carry them all away' to another place ?

But yeah, thank you, Showtime, for reinforcing a point. When you are right,.. things are probably right...

The evolution of discussions seems to be too negative for the ASX. In life, when money gets short, all skeletons come out of the closet. If one has nowhere to run to, then he stays and hopes for the best. But when one has options in life, then he can choose to go somewhere else if he thinks staying is a risk that he cannot take.

Thanks again !

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post Sep 4 2015, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(Binyamin @ Sep 4 2015, 11:24 AM)
Sigh... it is frustrating that I can't talk and give evidence about the things I come across because I am bound by my employers T and C.

I agree right now we are not facing any sovereign debt issue. So are the other emerging countries that have about north of 5 trillion in USD debt. 1 thing may lead to another.
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It's okay,.. we can estimate too,.. and I think you are talking about counter-party risk on the emerging countries having more than 5 trillion in debt. Than many countries will default forst before Msia, and we can capitalise on that in many ways, if ours up there are smart enough.

I don't think is entirely right to say that we are not faving any foreign debt issue. If we are forward-looking enough, it is inevitable that we will need to default on the foreign debts because we can't sacrifice the other expenses, right ??? Unless,... some funds come in from somewhere by charitable countries or organozations that do not impose rules onto us, then things would brighten-up. Or,... some debts are forgiven,..
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 4 2015, 11:33 AM)
Ya talking about risk, the foreigners are escaping to mitigate their risk. Likewise, the risk for ASx and even EPF has corresponding increased. It is totally up to the individual holding the ASx and EPF to reassess their risk profile. Obviously there are many people thinking the 6.x% in ASx will still worth the risk
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Sorry,.. but they have nowhere else to go at this moment in their lives, or not knowledgeable enough to be confident abt investing elsewhere. And this is the right thing to do because if one does not know enough to invest, then better put your money into something that you know about. I was like that too when I first started my journey. I had a good run in the ASX, time to move-on,...

Why don't you initiate more discussions on the SG REITs thread ? I'll chip in every now and then to help everybody.

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post Sep 4 2015, 11:54 AM

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'that is a manifestation of decades of weak education and policies.

the inability to look upward aspiring to be better than the best but instead, find a place among the worst and be happy with it.'

The above is our fault for some among us. Why do we not look far and wide and educate ourselves more abt the opportunities abound ? Why must we limit ourselves only to what our policies tell us ? If I know how to probe and sniff here and there, why can't another person do the same ?

This thinking of mine is, I'm sorry to say,.. further reinforced by the advent and the penetration of the internet into our society now. Information is available everywhere,.. we must take advantage of this and act,...

... not just to use the internet and play games only....

This is our fault.
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post Sep 4 2015, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Sep 4 2015, 11:49 AM)
Have always been posting in SG Reits thread  tongue.gif

There are a lot of good guys here willing to share. I learn a lot from others too  thumbup.gif
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The thread has stopped for a few days... Need yourself and AVFAN to come in again. thumbup.gif

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post Sep 4 2015, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(anudora @ Sep 4 2015, 03:47 PM)
KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia saw exports in July increase 3.5% from a year earlier as demand for electrical and electronic goods surged, government data showed on Friday.

According to the median forecast from a Reuters poll, economists had forecast exports would rise 3.2% on the back of a weakening ringgit currency, although individual estimates varied.

Exports of manufactured products helped boost July's figure as demand for electronic integrated circuits grew, especially from China.
Despite a weaker ringgit, imports did much better than expected, rising 5.9% from last year due to increases in imports of electronic circuits, petroleum oils and medicament.

Economists had predicted a 0.8% drop. This is the first increase for imports after three consecutive months of decline since the government implemented a consumption-based Goods and Services Tax (GST) in April.

The ringgit is the worst performing emerging Asian currency this year, having fallen more than 17% this year.

The trade surplus in July dropped to RM2.38bil (US$559.9mil)  from RM7.98bil in June. Exports to China increased 32.7%, while US exports grew 20.2%, underpinned by demand from the manufactured goods sector.

http://www.thestar.com.my/Business/Busines...cast/?style=biz
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Data end-July 2015 :-

Exports rose 3.2% y-o-y.
Imports rose MORE, by 5.9% y-o-y.

The above could have caused the Trade Surplus to drop by a whopping RM7.98bil in end-June to RM2.38bil in end-July, 2015.

That Trade Surplus figure of USD559.9mil will help towards our International Reserves. However, the trend (falling surplus here, especially after such a big fall) observed does not seem to be healthy.

Who said the Trade Surplus will grow in our favour with the wekening RM, and I had asked one question earlier on how much has the Trade Surplus figure been helping out in our Int'l Reserves. That question was never answered - above is the answer for the month end-July 2015.

Let's see for end-August 2015 next mth.

Wanted to edit but realized that the currency for import and export numbers are in already in the USD, hence aborted the editing.

This post has been edited by Hansel: Sep 4 2015, 04:11 PM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 4 2015, 04:18 PM)
To be fair, give some benefit of doubt in term of

1. July is festive month, lesser working days for many factories so output/export might be a bit lower.

2. Weakening of RM is more pronounce after end of July (July time RM/USD was 3.80, but weakening fast since Aug). So the impact of weak RM has not fully reflected yet.

3. Let see those increase in import will translate into increase in export in Aug. As bulk of import from the past history were semi-finished goods (especially electronics), that being processed here and export later on.

Considered domestic consumption has weaken, so import figure shouldn't be as good, unless those import increase are most semi-finished goods or big capital expenditure like heavy machinery etc.

Yes, a lower trade surplus indeed a concern, but not a disastrous figure.

We need Aug data to see further the real effect and trending.
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Counter-replies :-

1) I believed we are comparing bet exports and imports year to year between 2014 and 2015. I can understand that there is a slowdown of output/exports in the month of July, 2015 compared to last year's July, 2014. Why should there be such a big jump in imports between JUly 2015 and last year's July ?

2) I thought abt the currency effect too,... BUT : if the RM weakens against the USD, the end result would be us getting higher RM figures. The higher RM figures would be reflected in both the import and export numbers, if they ARE to be denominated in the RM. If both go up together, the ratio would still be the same, since mathematically, the numerator and the denominator are rising together. It is the ratio,.. well, for me now, that I am more interested in.

I believed the original figure used for computation of importations, exportations, current account calculations and a host of other national economics stats are in the USD.

3) I suspect those strong import figures are because of companies reporting higher amount of RM used to pay for raw materials, and other imported items because the weakened RM vs the USD. The imported items are mostly quoted in the USD, and to a smaller extent in other currencies too,... mostly, for which we have also weakened against.

I suspect we do not import much from countries whose currencies that we have appreciated against.

A lower trade surplus IN THIS ENVIRONMENT is a big concern,... giving rise to a situation called more bad news against presently available bad news. If we are forward-looking, the RM will weaken further, even before the Aug numbers emerge.
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QUOTE(anudora @ Sep 4 2015, 04:22 PM)
Ok now lets see the reporting from another source. It give much more information and data.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/malaysia/balance-of-trade

Malaysia Trade Surplus Misses Forecasts in July

Malaysia reported a MYR2.38 billion trade surplus in July of 2015, down from MYR3.64 billion a year earlier and missing market consensus. It is the smallest trade surplus since October 2014, as imports grew more than exports.

Year-on-year, exports increased by 3.5 percent to MYR63.20 billion in July. Sales rose for: electrical and electronics/E&E products (+12.1 percent to MYR23.1 billion, accounting for 36.5 percent to total exports), timber and timber-based products (+14.1 percent to MYR1.8 billion, 2.9 percent share), natural rubber (+60.7 percent to MYR484.1 million, 0.8 percent share) and palm oil and palm based-products (+2.4 percent to MYR5.8 billion, 9.1 percent total share). In contrast, outbond shipments declined for: refined petroleum products (-48.7 percent to MYR3.0 billion, 4.8 percent share), LNG (-23.6 percent to MYR3.1 billion, 4.9 percent share) and crude petroleum (-21.1 percent to MYR1.9 billion, 3.0 percent share).

Compared to the previous year, outbond shipments rose to China (+MYR2.3 billion), the US (+1.0 billion), Vietnam (+MYR322.6 million), Indonesia (+MYR278.5 million) and Thailand (+MYR278.4 million).

Imports rose by 5.9 percent to MYR60.9 billion, the first increase after three straight months of drop, as purchases gained for all categories. Inbound shipments of intermediate goods, representing 60.3 percent to total imports, increased 5.7 percent to MYR36.7 billion, mainly due to a 10.9 percent increase in parts & accessories of capital goods (except transport equipment) and a 49.1 percent rise in fuel & lubricants, processed, other. Purchases of consumption goods, contributing 8.7 percent share, rose 25.7 percent to MYR5.3 billion, mainly due to a 69.0 percent increase in semi-durables, food & beverages for household consumption (+19.3 percent) and non-durables (+20.7 percent). Inbound shipments for capital goods, representing 12.3 percent share, rose 3.2 percent to MYR7.5 billion, mainly due to transport equipment, industrial (+18.9 percent) and capital goods except transport equipment (+1.6 percent).

Compared to the preceding year, imports rise from the EU countries (+MYR941.1 million), China(+MYR640.6 million), Taiwan (+MYR511.2 million), Vietnam(+MYR390.1 million) and Saudi Arabia (+MYR319.1 million).

In June 2015, Malaysia posted a  MYR 7.98 billion trade surplus.
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Tq,... good to check and balance with another report too. The numbers seem to tally, with more analyses in this website. Letès see the August numbers,... if it falls further, then we know that in the near future, our Trade Surplus will not be able to help us in our reserves anymore.

BUt this month figure has just indicated to me in a small way of a fear that I have carried - that a weak RM may NOT be able to help boost our exports and strengthen our Trade Surplus, ie will not be able to strengthen our reserves which we needed so much of.
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 4 2015, 04:53 PM)
extracted from that report below.

now we know:
electrical/electronics exports at 37% is by far the largest export.
oil/gas/petroleum products at 12.7% is 2nd.
palm oil at 9% is 3rd.
timber is not big, rubber is small.

if prices of commodities petroleum and palm oil stay low, only an excellent electrical/electronics sector can help in a signifcant way.

anyone with good info about such new factories/expansion or closures in penang or elsewhere?
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World economy is softening, hence, reducing consumption. There is no way that the electrical and electronics exports can grow to the extent that it will be able to OFFSET the drop in prices for our current worldwide commodity rout.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 4 2015, 05:12 PM)
1) Data sometimes got outlier one, due to seasonal effect or whatever circumstances.

2) We need to compile a number of months data before can make a conclusion, aka to see the trending.

3) As I mentioned before the real weakening RM effect only start after end of July as at July the RM/USD was still at Rm3.7~3.8.
There are details breakdown on countries export/import figure, can find it from there, if interested to look beyond.

Yes, a lower trade surplus is a concern, but at current global environment, export will be weak across. If considered oil price plunging effect, which is almost nearly half the price of last year and plunging CPO price, a maintained export figure is already quite good enough.
Asking for more is a bit "greedy" already.

Actually too low import figure is also a bad number, as if import figure is weak, it suggested weak domestic consumption, which only means domestic economy is weak aka poorer GDP growth.
A strong economy needs both front, export + domestic consumption.

To satisfy every aspect and everyone, we need a goldilock figure (a ++ export with + import).  tongue.gif
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1) and 2) - Ok... letès see the trend then, wait fro August number.

3) Incorrect,...

On July 31st, 2014, the USDMYR exchange rate was = 3.1850

On July 31st, 2015, the USDMYR exchange rate was = 3.8206

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MYR%3DX...ing":true}

A rise of 20% between the two measurement dates.

There was already a substantial difference in the exchange rate to warrant companies paying out more for one single unit of USD. What we see in the Yahoo Finance charts are the Interbank Rates. Companies reporting RM figures would most probably be subjected to banking spread effects, hence making the differences bigger in a volatile environment.


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