That's the problem right there. Unseen already in his first post saying it's DA: Inquisition. On the (little) title is wrongly said it's Witcher 3, yes but if you really read the short article, it specifically mentioned DA: Inquisition. Anyone would be able to know there's typo there in the title. It's not really an issue.

Like I said, it's not a review or even an article to be honest. He/she basically written based on what he sees or feels on what he/she witness at the AMD event. There is no biased article/review here. No one in their right mind going to take this short news too seriously but it's worth to share it here or anywhere else. So, there is no reason to fuss about this really.

If the game is really is maxing out 4GB RAM, then 980 SLI won't be able to run DA: Inquisition @70FPS or 54FPS at high & ultra respectively @4K. No way.

Wasn't trolling. That was an observation. In fact, it was my experience with the past AMD flagship card that they cant do 4K proper at all. I wouldnt be spending RM16,000 for CrossFire R9 290X rig for 4K if I didn't give AMD a try. If I am trolling, that would be an expensive pricetag to put on just to troll. A very expensive AMD rig built to troll? Try again.

If you cant take constructive criticism here, why bother posting here. Sure, I'll go ahead and buy the Dell 5K monitor tomorrow just to correct my faulty "argument". Just like how I built a CrossFire AMD rig just to "troll" people here.

I post on experience. Experience of using an AMD R9 290X, and unable to satisfactorily run 4K without serious repercussion on its lifespan and/or power requirement/heat generation from the rig. Wasn't arguing just for the sake or arguing. Just because I went Team Green doesn't mean that I didn't consider Team Red viable at one time. Wouldn't be building a rig that meticulous if I didn't consider it viable. Try not to put blanket statement or immediately label someone as "trolling" just because he has an Nvidia rig on his sig. It doesn't help showing how bitter AMD diehard users are.

Again, you failed to read & understand properly. Seriously. I came to the conclusion you're trolling based on what you wrote, not because you have Nvidia rig.

"It's probably astonishing to AMD users here since neither of their previous flagship cards are able to do so before the arrival of Fury. But it has been that way with its competitor's card, so nothing really much to shout about really. *shrugs*"

You're basically inflaming people right there. I have no problem with your previous posts but when you start to degenerate the discussion with the above line, it's a problem.

I can take constructive criticism. Inflaming in the other hand is not constructive. That is trolling.


"I post on experience. Experience of using an AMD R9 290X, and unable to satisfactorily run 4K without serious repercussion on its lifespan and/or power requirement/heat generation from the rig."

Yeah, we weren't talking about that but performance.

This post has been edited by kizwan: Jun 23 2015, 03:05 AM

LOL calm down man, you are the one who kept mentioning this as a "review", and nowhere in my previous post did I state that this is a review. Chill out, AMD cards are already running hot, dont tell me the users are also hot-tempered too? I was questioning the integrity of the article (with multiple typos), not Unseen. Read properly and calmly. Anger can distort one's conclusions.

My point was the article is taken as it is, a simple Twitter style post that generate hype and excitement without proper mentioning of parameters. It sure does create excitement here, but doesn't help potential buyers or fence-sitters whether they should jump in or go to the other team. It's just hype. No one is gonna take this seriously too I agree, but apparently it is you who are taking it seriously about me taking this article lightly (by questioning its validity).

Even if a game maxes out 4GB of VRAM, it will still run, it'll just have to swap textures and graphics data when its memory buffers ran out of it. That cycle of swapping textures and data is the one contributing towards the stutter. From what little I know lah. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I would be trolling if it is taken in context of looking at it from reading people's experiences and drawing conclusions from there, not from my own experiences using one. How can I be trolling when I had been using one in the first place? Sensitive much?

I was in the unique position before of having experienced, owned and used both camp's flagship GPUs in its lifetime. I draw my conclusions from those experiences. I do not base my opinion on what people posts or what I read. How can I be trolling when I have been using a flagship AMD card before and drawing my conclusion from using it? I have to like the AMD flagship otherwise I am trolling? Wow, even I don't draw the lines there.

I dont cherry pick my games to favor one Team or the other. My choice of games comes from a broad spectrum of genres, from AMD favored games like Crysis 3 and Battlefield 4(the main reason why I built this: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=3466728&hl= ), to Nvidia favored ones like Assassin's Creed Unity and Dying Light. It is from these experiences with these games that I draw the conclusion that the last generation of AMD's flagship card the 290X as being inadequate to run at 4K compared to its counterpart, hence why I wrote "It's probably astonishing to AMD users here since neither of their previous flagship cards are able to do so before the arrival of Fury. But it has been that way with its competitor's card, so nothing really much to shout about really. *shrugs*". Nothing in between the line, there is no line, it's a straight up observation from my own experience using and owning pools of cards from the two camps. *shrugs* <-----an innocent shrug, not a sarcastic one. Have to put disclaimer, otherwise, you'd "read between these lines again"*

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 23 2015, 03:22 AM

Pure performance, yes. But air-con kena sejuk la bang. I had to wear my jacket just to run that AMD rig of mine without feeling like I'm sitting next to a stove. Even with my rig being liquid-cooled. Even that also still cant run 4K adequately across all my games. Haih..............

I'm calm. BTW, forum doesn't convey tones properly. If you think I'm not calm then you're seriously misunderstand there. Like I said, read & understand properly.

About the swapping textures & graphics when VRAM maxed out, the card won't be able to do it smoothly, hence the stuttering. Then again it depends on the games codes but generally, it's not smooth.

Again, please read carefully. Let me try this again. "It's probably astonishing to AMD users here ..." <-- This basically inflaming people. If you worded differently, only contains "since neither of their previous flagship cards are able to do so before the arrival of Fury", I wouldn't call you troll.

Please keep in topic. If you look back, we're talking about DA: Inquisition, not any other games. We're not talking about your experience with other games.

Ahh! I'm done. It's time for me to prepare sahur for my family.

This post has been edited by kizwan: Jun 23 2015, 03:26 AM

That's the thing, you yourself admit that forum doesn't convey tones properly. Perhaps "tone down" on the assumptions a bit? Helps on character building during the puasa month. I probably need to use a more descriptive word than "probably astonishing" just so that egos doesn't get bruised around here. Probably.

Although I think I felt the sting harsher than any ego bruised around here, I had to spend that much on an AMD CrossFire rig just to find out that it's not viable for 4K across all games. Let's see, spent monies versus bruised pride and ego. *makes weighing motion*

Back to topic, DA:I runs with "feels like 60+fps" on a 5K 30Hz settings, at Medium. I reckon if anyone can be satisfied buying a RM2800-2900 card to run it at those settings, it's a go for Fury X for them. Not for me though. To each his own.

Now......about that CrossFire support on DA:I though, anyone ran CF on that game on recent AMD Catalyst drivers? Wonder if things are even gonna change at all with Fury X when it comes to drivers optimization.

This post has been edited by stringfellow: Jun 23 2015, 03:42 AM

I don't understand the need for 4/5K resolution gaming when half the damned time in 64 man clusterfuck servers you don't notice 75% of the scenery anyways, or true 4K movies aren't as prevalent as well. Truly regret the high end purchase. A mid end rig that can do 100fps on medium would suffice. As long I can take on the best clans I'm happy. But then again that's me. I don't buy games for it too look pretty. So yeah guys, can we move on from the "you're sarcastic/you're a fanboy/I'm not and you're being rudely accusing" bullshit? We buy cards for our own reasons. Most of us here don't game at 4K anyways. Don't see a bloody point with all these benchmarks. Fury X is plenty good at 1080/1400p games for a long long time.

So yes, back to discussing the good old GPU manufacturer named AMD. I'm planning to move on from my WC 290X. Even with all the upgrades options i suppose the air cooled 390X will suffice, seeing that it a well cooled 290X/390x isn't miles apart. Don't feel like spending 3K on a GPU this time. Might change my mind though if budget does increase. But my main problem is the AMD drivers. Never had a good experience with 14.6/14.7/Omega. Wonder if AMD will finally release something truly worthwhile and hassle free.

This post has been edited by Sentinel92: Jun 23 2015, 04:55 AM

What the f is feel like 60fps+ when it was not? Unless he is seeing freesync monitor that can deliver smooth liquid motion below 60fps. And he need to mention that details. Not simply throwing 'feel like 60fps'.

Nah, I don't make assumption. All of my reply to your posts based on the words & sentences you used, not tones. No ego involved either. I'm also not fanboy. If I do, I probably get in fight with a lot of people that doesn't pro AMD here. I have been back and forth between nvidia & ati before. The fact that I have one over the other in my rig doesn't mean I'm pro to any camp.

No need to overly defensive. Probably your ego that got bruised? I don't know, never thought about it before you post this reply. I don't buy cards based on ego & pride. Posting inflammatory post like this will not get warm welcome from anyone.

This discussion started from that news about that guy attending AMD event showing Fury X running DA: Inquisition @5K @medium settings. Anyone read the news would understand it was based on what that guy witnessed in the event. Basically the words used in the news was chose carefully. Basically that guy saw the games running smoothly to his eyes which described as "liquid smooth to my eyes" & "It felt like 60FPS+, which was absolutely astounding to see in person...". The real FPS can be lower or higher but that is what that guy witnessed in the event. Base on how that guy explaining it in the news show that someone else was running the games & that guy is only a spectator or that guy probably got a chance playing the games but can't get accurate information like what FPS the games was running at, hence the description "It felt like 60FPS+".

Anyone in their right minds would know the news was written based on what that one guy witnessed in the event & would take with a grain of salt. Anyone here, including me will not take this news too seriously but "liquid smooth" @5K do sound interesting. It sound interesting but anyone in their right minds will not hastily decided to buy this card without details review from trusted reviewer.

When you said & I quote "The point to take here, it is normal to get 30-60fps at 4K and above running DA:I on Medium on flagship cards. It's probably astonishing to AMD users here since neither of their previous flagship cards are able to do so before the arrival of Fury. But it has been that way with its competitor's card, so nothing really much to shout about really. *shrugs*" From the very beginning I tried to highlight "AMD users here" but you always missed that. I don't mind if you're saying previous flagships cards before Fury unable to play DA: Inquisition at "felt like 60FPS" compare to their competitor cards from nvidia. Not really bother at all with that claim. If AMD that bad, no argument from me. What bother me is "AMD users here". If you read the sentences, it feels like you're accusing all AMD users here don't know any better. That is to me is inflammatory message hence why I accused you being a troll. Even after a couple of times trying to explained why I accused you trolling, you still failed to get it. I hope you understand now. Probably next time tone down any kind of inflammatory message?

Many people I know going to keep their 290/290X & not going to upgrade to 390/390X. As for the Fury, many people still on the fence right now. Few people that confirmed getting this cards mostly benchers which likely to sell it once they finished playing with it. Reading reviews one thing, feels it yourself is another thing & mostly satisfying to these people.

Regarding DA: Inquisition, from the information I gather, single 980 can play the games at almost 40FPS average @High settings @4K. Single 290X a couple FPS behind it. If the 980 can run at 60FPS @Medium settings @4K, then the 290X can run almost there too, probably a couple FPS less. If 290X can do that, I reckon Fury X could do better @High settings @4K. We'll see.

This post has been edited by kizwan: Jun 23 2015, 06:32 AM

I think you guys should chill down - It's good to have your own opinion, but do you guys seriously need to go that far?

Anyway, it's good to see that Freesync is taking off:
http://www.techpowerup.com/213699/samsung-...technology.html

Will Unseen83 upgrade his monitor tho this?

kizwan

He is just pointing out frustation as a amd user. We all been there. As for AMD user/fans. I think their tolerance/loyalty to AMD doesnt reflect the performance/experience. Thats what he is trying to say.

Did you flash ure 290 to a 290x??

If nvidia posted a crap like DA 5k@30 fps medium setting closer to 980 launch for maxwell 2, we would see a 10page hate fest in Nvidia thread.

Anyway arkham knights launch now is 12pm instead of 12am.
Amd as i speculated has drivers for it. Read that somewhere.
This is the game fury X will try to show off its edge against 980ti.

vram @1440p reported by some 980 preaccess users is 4gb

This post has been edited by cstkl1: Jun 23 2015, 10:09 AM

Driver 15.6 is out
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=400229

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/P...ndows-beta.aspx

This post has been edited by aaron_15ryderz: Jun 23 2015, 10:28 AM

WOW , ko dah master race ke bro ? cant wait for BATMAN im preloading it now on steam

blom la lol.... mustard race jek...

senyap2 pakai radeon fury

Good morning, puasa ek hari ni?

Notice also I added "probably"? My way of saying that it may be this something new to the AMD camp, it may be not, I dont hang around these parts of the forum to know the general nuances on how folks here feel what is normal to get at 4K at Medium settings. I love that you're being the white knight around here saving the "AMD users here" from ceding to my supposed veiled attempt at allegedly trolling them. It feels like a breath of fresh air for someone to come to their rescue. But from the way everyone else here posted (I hope), and the lack of responses from others here (gasp!) about my post, I'd like to think (bersangka baik) that they get what I meant about the astonishment post, but only you who got hung up over it, while the rest shrugged it off as a passing observation based on past experience. I wonder why.

I can say the same here as well, I tried to explain to you what I meant and yet you cant take that explanation as face value as my observation and experience as a previous AMD flagship GPU card owner and user, and took it as trolling. I know sometimes, with the AMD being in the dumps and being subject to derision and contempt from the other camp, that it is easy to come to the conclusion that it's trolling. I dont know how to assure you that I am not: perhaps I should build another AMD flagship rig to prove that I am on the same side as you? That's a very expensive way of proving someone you're with them and love the same thing they do, even I dont spend that much on my past girlfriends.

Haihhh......... perhaps tone done a bit on the estrogen level of yours lah, being overly sensitive is a bit feminine liao. We need more testosterone level around here to keep up the manly excitement level for the Fury.

Just wow. No freesync range. I open pdf file manual. No info on the VRR range. It just stated 60hz at native resolution 4k. So what's the use of freesync at fixed rate? Samsung or AMD should make this info available because this is the most important information when getting freesync monitor.

AMD just throw 9-240hz from their Freesync spec, but when it goes into market, it is not the truth.

Anyway, the Asus MG297Q Freesync IPS (tehcnically AHVA) monitor is now available at compuzone, for RM2699. Significantly cheaper thant Asus PG278Q G-sync TN monitor.
The freesync range for MG297Q 35-90hz. Still ok for me, but kinda defeat the purpose of having 144hz monitor, but not able to vrr up to that refresh rate.

This post has been edited by ruffstuff: Jun 23 2015, 10:40 AM