hi,

adecco got my resume from jobsdb and they are interested with my profile and requested for me to attend a job interview..RM7k job (related to my working interest of course)..

should i go? my concern is that i just took 2 days leave last week due to personal problem and now i will need to take another half day leave for this..it's not so good for my reputation in my current company..

plus, i'm not 100% confirmed getting this job..so i'm just thinking should i apply leave for this interview or not..

risking my reputation for something that is not confirmed yet..but the offer is too attractive to be rejected..

what say u?

This post has been edited by GenkiGal: Sep 29 2006, 02:28 PM

what not so good about it? leaves are meatn for u to take

just feel guilty about it..altot none of my work will be delayed or affected..

i'm those tht do not take leave unnecessarily..

still struggling..should go or shouldn't go..arghhh.. =.="

huh? wat cross road?

just take the 1/2 day leave and go for a try. if that 1/2 day leave can hurt ur reputation, u might as well leave that company.

of coz dun tell them u're going for interview

Maybe take time-off ? Tell your boss you have some personal/urgent thing to do. Try arrange the interview early in the morning or late evening.

Go for it, it might be a golden chance or turning point in ur life which only happen once in ur life time.

I don't see any reason why taking a day off spoils your reputation. You are entitled to it and therefore, you have the privilege to use it whenever you want.

it's true that annual leaves are meant for you to take..
but when comes to performance evaluation for bonus, they'll take d number of leaves/MC u took into consideration..more leaves, bad performance..that's the company practice..try all ways to reduce ur bonus..haha

Yea. I agree with that but that's the risk you have to take to have a better job.

I am sure there are many others (in your company) take more leaves than you do.

This post has been edited by goliath: Sep 26 2006, 01:02 PM

That's will depend on ur day to day performance as well. If u're a great constributor to company and hardworking, this annual-leave won't hurt u bcos u have proved urself to ur boss everyday.

Just applied half day leave on this coming thursday..boss approved without asking much..i just put "Personal errant"..haha

Wish me luck, guys..i wanted this job badly..it'll b a big turning point in my life ^^

For those who left your advice..thanks a lot..it does help me to make up my mind..hehe ^^

will update u guys more when i'm back frm d interview..

Wish u all the best !!!

Good luck !

remember to belanja us makan whn u get the job rm7k!! lol. wats the job scope?

Whats the name of company? Hint us la.no need to tell.

jobscope is what? How old are you? RM7k...zzz

i'm getting envious.

holding the cheese wont do you any good, go out and find more cheese.

Yea, the leave is supposed to be taken. If you don't like, you can take mc.

haha..fake MC is worst than a half day leave
i'm 24 tis yrs..tht's why i'm telling u RM7k is a big amt for merely 3 yrs exp like mine, it's RM2k plus different from what i have now..since they belive in me, i decided not to hold back and give it a try lor..

it's an australian based company..i'm not sure and not so confident tht i'll get the job yet..will let u guys know more bout d company once i went for the interview 2morrow..

pray hard for me too..hehe ^^

This post has been edited by GenkiGal: Sep 27 2006, 05:28 PM

Keep the spam level down people. I know a lot of you wants to wish him well, but spamming with a liner saying "good luck" will not be tolerated in the future. Thank you.

wow, 24 yo get paid 7k???

australian based company meaning you still work in Malaysia right? and what is the position? ..just curious...

i'm back..i'm back frm d interview!!!
i have high chances getting into d next round of interview..wahahha \^o^/

just 2 update u guys for those who asked about the company info..it's an australia company, quite established in m'sia..
d position they are offering me is managerial level/team lead for IT projects..heheeh ^^

bsides this australia company, there are few more companies tht are interested in meeting me (according to adecco la, but dunno how true is it)..but anyhow, priority will b given to this australia company..coz they urgently need ppl..

will need 2 wait till monday for the adecco lady to call me to confirm whether or not i'm in for d 2nd interview..if i'm in..i'll b meeting d company's CEO..great ^^ will pray very very hard starting 2day 2 get this job..i cant wait to start a new chapter in my life

thank you all for those that concern..arigato ^^

Management / Leader ?
What industry is that? What did they ask you in the interview for this highly paid and demanding job? Mind story abit?

This post has been edited by Gan: Sep 28 2006, 10:56 PM

IT industry.
Guys..guess wat..i'm shortlisted for the 2nd round interview already..being notified yday evening..3 hrs after my interview..i'm sooo happy !!!

now is final round interview in 12th October..there are 4 ppl shortlisted including me..success rate is 25% each..kinda worry..coz i got to know tht i'm d youngest among them..tht's a disadv coz i might b lack of knowledge n skills compare to them

but anyhow, will not give up till d end..will try my best..

What sort of IT you into? SAP? Did they say what sort of team you will be leading?
Are you currently a team leader/manager now?

This post has been edited by Gan: Oct 4 2006, 01:16 AM

no need to worry,just do ur best and hope u got some luck.i was also the youngest candidate and a fresh grad when i applied for my current job but i managed to outperform other candidates.

so ganbatte!!

quite suprise that this post's still alive..

Gan => I'm more into Software Engineering, and i'm currently having master in IT as well as master in Software Engineering..about SAP, will get myself into it soon, coz SAP candidates are like hot cakes nowadays

Hazremi => thx a lot for ur words..hehe..we have to alwiz bear in mind tht age is not a problem, it's d skills and knowledge that matters when it comes to job searching (hopefully it applies 2 my case oso ) \^o^/

Yes everybody can have MS and Phd...How well a person can manage and be a leader is different thing.

What sort of leader are you? You didnt really answer my question. Are you are in a leading position now? You take up the job just because of the 7K?

This post has been edited by Gan: Oct 5 2006, 11:34 AM

Yes, i'm in leading position now..team lead of 12 technical person including programmers, designers and analyst.

Of course i'm not onli going for the $$ but also the exposure the company can offered me..i see a future in that company compare to my current company where i cannot grow anymore..

Guess tht u r doubting my leadership skills since i'm too young, rite..never judge a person on their age

Everybody thinks highly of themself. Of course.....Even a good company can choose a wrong leader..Till they realise the leader has nothing but verbal skills....

Thinks highly on themself and have appropriate self-confident is 2 different things..the first 1 is nothing but egotism - just an empty shell, the latter 1 is understand ur self value and improve urself from what u know about urself..

My self confident is from myself as well as from people around me and how popular my career profile within job hunters define my value in the market..anyway, i just got another offer from Jen International (another job hunter) for the position of senior IT consultant/manager..guess tht did define i still worth a cent in d current market ^^

Cheers to everybody that is finding job outthere and dun b afraid to be confident on urself

Sounds like you are rather jealous

I do know a couple of 24yr olds who hold those kind of positions as well.

Heck, I even know a 26yr old who made his first million already.

Don't let age be the matter or I believe no one should ever try to compete and feel discouraged. Move at the pace that we are comfortable at but not too comfortable. As long as you are constantly challenged.

Go Mavik..giv me 5 !!!! ^^
I do agree tht human need to be constantly challenged, then only u'll find improvement in urself..life'll b bored without new challenges

Why la so judgemental.
I am only wanting to know what sort of leader are you?
I challenge you to answer this la. Cannot answer?

Gan,

From the posts that I read so far, GenkiGal had shown a lot more maturity than you. This is something that you should learn if you want to go far in your life.

GenKiGal,

The number one obstacle of career advancement is egotism. People think so highly of themselves that they refused to listen to anyone. Hence, they become a bad leader.

It is refreshing to see someone so young and successful that DO NOT get caught up with all those egotism. I have no doubt that you will go far in your career and be a good leader.

Congratulations!!!

Dreamer

Like that only ah?
Ha ha... Is that how you judge ones maturity?
You very judgemental la.
I only need to find out from her what sort of leader she is?
She didnt even asnwer it for herself anf you already answer it for her.
Dont la play play...


This post has been edited by Gan: Oct 5 2006, 11:12 PM

Gan,

When you post something on a public forum, everything you write and how you write it reflect what you are. There are a million and one way to say and write something.

A sign of maturity is to think carefully before you post something. GenKiGal's respond to you had shown his/her level of maturity.

You are supposedly either a professional or will be a professional. So, please post your message accordingly.

Dreamer

OK pls read my thread again.
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Like that only ah?
Ha ha... Is that how you judge ones maturity?
You very judgemental la.
I only need to find out from her what sort of leader she is? Characteristics?
She didnt even asnwer it for herself anf you already answer it for her.
Dont la play play...

This post has been edited by Gan: Oct 5 2006, 11:27 PM

Gan,

Read your own posts again. Is that a proper way to ask quesions??

Gan is a very famous famliy name. It goes all the way back to 200 BC. Confucious's mother, uncle and best student are all from the Gan clan. When you use a screen name of "Gan" and imply that you are from the Gan family, you will be held to a higher standard. If you do not want that responsibility, change your screen name.

Dreamer

OK I my surname Wong..then how?....Malu also?..
What else? You want me to change?
Sigh....you very mature la.
Could you tell me how I should ask? Since you know better.

This post has been edited by Gan: Oct 5 2006, 11:38 PM

That's what dreamer101 is trying to say. The way you answered each time reflects your characteristic clearly.

I'm not launching a personal attack on you. I'm just giving my honest opinion.

If he is trying to be constructive..He should clearly state how I should ask the question not by asking to change my family name.

This is how you should talk/reply/ask. Clear and concise

Now, compare the statement above to the ones you replied in this thread. You should know what dreamer101 meant.

This post has been edited by goliath: Oct 5 2006, 11:59 PM

Thank you.
I m trying to be funny. He is being so worked up...Sigh...
Its not even about him.

If you read all dreamer101's posts, it is the way he speaks. Clear and straight forward

This is fine...

This is fine too..


This is highly immature!!! This reflects on you poorly.

A proper way to ask will be

Normally, a degree does not help someone to be a leader. So, could you please tell me how do you learn to manage and be a leader??

This is very bad too...

A proper way to ask wil be..

Are you currently managing people now? Or, is this the first managing job that you have??



This is very bad too. You had just insulted someone and claimed that he/she just got lucky and may not have any ability. Are your jealous or what??

I may not know everything aboutr GenKiGal. But, the way that he/she responded to your insults in a cool and calm manner shown his/her maturity. GenKiGal did not insult you back. He/she is stating a fact that he/she has confident in him/herself.

<< My self confident is from myself as well as from people around me and how popular my career profile within job hunters define my value in the market..anyway, i just got another offer from Jen International (another job hunter) for the position of senior IT consultant/manager..guess tht did define i still worth a cent in d current market >>

Dreamer

Its beacause some people take themself too seriously.
Anyway its the way the WORLD works. I am cool.

I learn alot from this this forum.
I cant help it lo if people think I m immature just by the way they THOUGHT i want to offend them. You cant please everybody.

This post has been edited by Gan: Oct 6 2006, 12:14 AM

Gan,

This is public forum. It is read all over the world. What you posted refects the whole Gan family around the world and affected the reputation of the Gan family. And, this reputation and tradition goes all the way back to 200BC. So, do you think it should or should not be taken seriously??

If you do not want to be taken seriously, change your user id to something else.

There are very few Gan in the world. There are probably only a few thousands in Malaysia and Singapore.

Dreamer

P.S.: Gan ang Kung families are the defender and descender of Confucianism too. So, there are additional responsibility for every Gan to upheld the ethical and moral standard of Confucianism.

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Oct 6 2006, 12:42 AM

wow..seems like it suddenly turned out to be lots of flaming in here..
cool down, guys..

dreamer101 thank you for standing up and have confident in me eventhough u dun even know who am i..

for Gan, honestly..i did felt offended and insulted initially by your words, but anyhow if i cannot even deal with people like u, that will show that i have 0% of leader quality in me..leader does not act emotionally, leader thinks logically and act for the win-win situation.

When you are asking "What sort of leader are you?", what are u expecting me to answer actually? How do you define what categories of leadership? In my opinon, i am not in the right position to answer that question as i foreseen no matter what i answer you will flame me back as thinking too highly on myself, that's your characteristic that i observed through your conversation with dreamer101, you are very defensive. It will be better that if any of my subordinate saw this and answer it on my behalf as they've been working together with me for sometimes and they know my characteristic well.

anyhow, for dreamer101, you do not need to entertain Gan, he has his freedome of speech..whatever he said which you think is right then u just take it into mind else just ignore him. dun let him has d chance to make u angry and catch your words especially when u are angry and your only aim is to prove him wrong..different people has different perception..i do not need his perception to prove that i am not a leader as he does not know who am i at all. but anyhow, would like to thank u again for standing up for a stranger like me, cheers dude !

Hello

I cant help but wanting to encourage you to be strong. This is only a forum. Think!
Dont sweat the small stuffs. Good leader does not sweat on the small stuffs. This is only a forum yes which read by millions but does not give constructive backup and opinion i guess is useless. When being asked even you think its not the right way to ask, take it also as a question. You are in the right position to answer the questions because from the way i read the person just want to know what are the characteristic you have as a leader. Dont sweat the small stuffs. Asking people to back you up is like a cry baby running to a mummy. That is definitely not characteristic of a strong leader. A leader thinks and stand for his value.

Practise what you preach Confusianism does not blantantly ask people to change their family name. Its not tolerence at all. Its like askinng people to disown their son/daighter when he or she has does not conforms to a value.

This post has been edited by extol: Oct 7 2006, 01:16 AM

Extol,

I did not ask him/her to change the family name. I just ask him/her to change his/her user id/handle/screen name. Or else, the person will have to be very very careful on what he/she posted. He/she is responsible for handling the family name with care.

Dreamer

I am amazed at people like you who can be 100% certain to event that you have absolutely no proof of or the slightest means of verifying the fact. How sure are you that his/her surname is not Gan? I came across alot Gan with medium intelligence and not so average. All also came across with many smart people with the surname Leong. How do you justify?

For him/her having said:
"What sort of leader are you?" Could you not question him in this manner :- "What do you mean by "What sort of leader are you"?I have my own interpretations on this...but would prefer to hear from you."

Arent this more professional since you said a person has to be very very careful on what he/she posted? Why arent you doing the same? You flamed up just because you are not trying to understand his/her intentions. He/she plainly wants to know the characteristic she has as a leader.

You said there are thousand and hundreds of ways to ask a question, there is also a hundread and thousand ways to give a good a advice to others.

You are trying to impart goodness onto others. I can see you are not doing the same. You are definitely not pracising what you preach.

This post has been edited by extol: Oct 9 2006, 01:01 AM

Extol,

Before you try to defend anyone, read everything that a person had posted. He/she had said a lot more than what you had commented.

Read the sequence of post by Gan. He/she had done more than posting a question.

And, Gan had clearly indicated that his/her family name is Gan.


And, you still do not get it. It has nothing to do with intelligence.

It has to do with whether you have good manner or not.

Dreamer



This post has been edited by dreamer101: Oct 9 2006, 07:19 AM

Some people just dont know how to ask good question. He/she doesnt have the leader quality.

Again in my opinion, none of us have the rights or i should rather said that we do not know each enough to judge whether he/she has the quality of a leader or not.

Our ex-pm Dr.M, he's a great leader, we can't deny that, but look at the recent case between him n Pak Lah..as conclusion a leader is also a human, human do make mistakes, human do have the time when they lost control of their emotion.

To extol, i'm not sweating over small stuff, i understand that this is a public forum and everybody has the freedom of speech. But sometime it just cant help to feel slight irritation when people are criticising you based on nothing. But anyhow, i'm ok bout it after a split seconds reading Gan's post. And definitely i'm not asking anybody to back me up. I just feel that it is unnecessary for both party to continue the fire here by trying to prove that who's right or who's wrong. Back to the origin, this is just a simple thread posted by me asking for advice whether or not i should attend the interview. Thanks for all the encouragement, i've been t o the interview and has been shorlisted for 2nd round interview this coming 12th October.

To dreamer101, forget bout the family name matter, this is just a public forum. Gan's not even here to comment anything anymore, just chilled and have fun sharing opinion, dun be so tense up

24 and leading a team , that's awesome !. Care to share some tips on management and how you got there? Are you the hard or soft leader? You have two masters, I am not trying to be rude but I am curious on how to attain them?

Same here. Just would like to know how you attain the Software engineer master. Which place the best to study? Did you study full time or part time etc

for my double master it's a distance learning actually..i only go to class during weekend..MIT is from OUM and MSE is from La Rochelle Uni, France. the cost of taking both together is more worth than taking only 1 at a time. sometimes will feel tired, but anyhow it just a 2 years course, should do it while young..else if i grow older i'm not sure whether will i still have this kind of determination to do so

about how i got into management..

my 1st job was project coordinator in an online gaming company. at that time i already got involve in project management, ppl management and so on. i quitted that job after 1 and half year coz i do not want to move in management too soon, i wanted to strengthen my technical skills. coz in my opinion, if u know nothing technical then u will not be able to lead tachnical people, and of course people will not listen to a boss that knows nothing as well.

Currently i am a senior analyst programmer, of course there'll never b enuf learning of technical stuff in IT fields as the technology is changing at a very fast pace. It's hard to explain, but anyhow i feel that it's time for me to move on to a better company that can offer me more opportunity to learn new things..

At the same time, Adecco and Jen International (head hunters) approached me. Since i have the plan to move on, so why not give it a try especially there are golden opportunity in front of me. Personally, i prefer Adecco's client and wish that i'll got the job instead of the one from Jen International..hehe

I dare not said tht i will definitely get either one of the job, if i failed then i'll try again, but anyhow i do pray for the very best

about what kind of leader am i (asked by Gan before..)..
i'm neither a hard or soft leader, i am in d middle i guess . but i am definitely a result oriented leader, dun tell me bullshit, just give me the result. and of course i am someone who are tolerance enuf to let my guys have a short break after a successful big project. In my opinioin, work is impt but job satisfaction is impt too, once in a while some small reward will make the ppl feel that they are appreciated and in return they'll work harder for u..win-win situation, aint it

hope that the above do answers ur questions, rollinpark and whtrader

GenKiGal,

Seem like you might be the kind of person that can answer this kind of questions.

1) What is quality??

2) What is the number one problem in any project??

Answer the questions in one sentence each..

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Oct 10 2006, 09:29 AM

hahaha..feels like doing pop quiz like that

1) what is quality?
quality of an IT project is how well it fulfills the user's need using the minimum cost and time to produce a workable system, which it's practical enough to be managed in long term and will help organization to gain profit in long term.

2) no.1 prob in any project is always people. time & cost can be negotiated, resources can be obtained if u try all ways, but human behaviour is difficult to change within a short period of time. that's why there are a saying that said that organization can be success because of its employees as well as can be failed by its employee.

p/s: sorry, got too much to say. din manage to make it 1 sentence for question 2..hehe..hope this answers ur questions.

You nailed the answers.

1) The key to quality is how well you furfill the user's need/requirement..

2) It is always the people..

Dreamer

Tougher questions.

1) What is the goal of software testing??

2) What is the number one and most common problem in software testing??


This post has been edited by dreamer101: Oct 10 2006, 09:49 AM

Excellent reply (though I don't even know how to answer it properly). I've learned something new. Thanks

Goliath,

It take times and effort to manage projects and learn from the projects to know the answers. It is more important to know why those are the correct answers than the answers themselves.

Dreamer

You already took 2 days leave so there's no difference in taking another day. If i were you I'd go for that interview. You cant always play on the safe side, life's all about taking risks. This could be a once in a life time opportunity for you.

[E]velyn, thanks for ur opinion, i already went for the interview, indeed i'm going for 2nd round interview this coming thursday, wish me luck ^^

goliath, for the 2nd answer i used to failed to identified it..i always tot that resources available are the key factor that governs a project success or failure, it tooks a painful lesson to learnt that human is the greatest resource for a project.

dreamer101, u make me feel like i'm practicing how to anwer for my upcoming interview..haha..

ok here come d answer (this round i'm not sure my answer is right or not, just my opinion)
1) software testing main purpose of course is to find bugs and fix it but also indirectly it's a way to force d user to learn up the system as well..haha..as they'll need to sit down and run through every test cases, steps by steps.

2) common prob in software testing again is human, but this round it's the user. user's unlike developers, they can use millions of ways to go around the system, which sometimes we developers will never thought of , thus created bugs. plus, users are mostly not technical person, thus guiding them through testing and sometimes trying to ask them to simulate back the problem is a real tough job, coz they sometime dun even remember what they did to got there, funny..but it's true..

GenKiGal,

You need more exposure on software testing..

1) Software testing is an insurance policy. In any reasonable complex software, there is no way for you to test everything and every scenerios. So, you do enough testing with your limited time and resources to get a reasonable assurance that the software works in a reasonable fashion in most situations.

2) The number one and most common problem in software testing is user requirements. The users either do not know or did not tell the developer and tester what are the actual requirements of the softwares. You could do a reasonable good job of testing if you know what are the requirements?? But, in real life and in most cases, the user either do not know or do not tell you what they really want until it is too late.

Dreamer

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Oct 10 2006, 10:28 AM

Thanks for the input, it might help in my interview ^^

That's a good answer dreamer101. As expected from an IT old-timer.

It's good to read dreamer101's post because it makes you think other wise

This post has been edited by goliath: Oct 10 2006, 01:35 PM

not flaming, but doubtful..
after reading ur 1st post, i feel tat u cant make desicion by ur own..
but somehow u r involved in senior managerial role, a team lead of 12 employees (considered a big team)...
i reli dont understand y an experienced senior management ppl - which is u- will post a thread here juz to ask "should i take half day leave for attending an interview?"...

This post has been edited by jojoko1982: Oct 10 2006, 01:55 PM

Yea me think the same.
However, if can get the job, u need to prepare to deal with difficult ppl. Be strong then, leaders are made of blood and steel. Sacrifices need to be made.

haha..yeah i know what u meant kennyL2 and jojoko1982

me myself when i read back this thread i was wondering what am i thinking back then mann..d question of asking should take leave for interview or not seems so childish..

mayb there's too many things happened at once at the period of 2 or 3 days..i just took leaves bcoz a close relative of mine passed away, i've been at the funeral place for 3 days till midnite everyday..was tired n exhausted..

when back to work, there are lots to do, lots of decisions to be made, lots of meetings to be attended..then all of sudden i was spotted by job hunter..not 1 but 2..so i was doubtful that time, not sure what should i do..althought i plan to leave my current company but is now the right time to do so? to attend interview? take leave or not is not the main concern actually..hehe..it's that i haven't prepare myself to take d 1st step out to search for a new job..so indirectly i'll feel guilty if i take leave for that purpose..

half day leave might seems like nothing for most of the people, but half day leave for me is a very big thing..lots of things will be pending if i took half day leave (i already took a few days leave back then)..and it affect not only my performance but my whole team's performance..

if u read all the post since beginning, i am not actually unable to make decision, i'm just doubtful at that time..within less that 30min this post has been posted up i have already make up my mind to applied for leave and already booked an interview time with the head hunter.

yeap, i know this sounded like an excuse, but anyhow i'm still a human being, i do get tired and at my brain did get point blank sometimes..but anyhow, i'll learn to be stronger next time!!! thanks for the positive critics

This post has been edited by GenkiGal: Oct 10 2006, 02:46 PM

r u a lady?
if yes, then i reli respect u..
u r tough...

Goliath,

Does that mean my post stop you from thinking?? Because, otherwise you will be thinking?? :-) :-) :-)

Dreamer

Jojoko1982 and KennyL2,

I think you have a WRONG impression of what a good leader is. In working life and in most cases, you have NO ABSOLUTE power to ask anyone to do something. And, even if you do, if people are not happy about doing the task that you assign to them, they will not do a good job.

So, a good technique to get the job done and get good result is to ask everyone's opinion even if you had made your decision in your mind. That shows that you listen to everyone and you had taking their concern into making your decision. They are more likely to do your task happily.

You know and will learn this if you are ever part of a group like Scout and so on...

A good leader can convince people to follow him/her eventhough he/she may not have any power to order anyone.

Dreamer

Tricky question...

My thoughts are always on general ways. But by reading your posts, it broaden my way of thinking. It's knowledgeable (for me) to read your answers to people's questions.

p.s.: I'm not sucking up. I'm speaking the truth

This post has been edited by goliath: Oct 11 2006, 10:36 AM

Goliath,

1) Usually, a good question is worth than any answers.

2) If you are asking the WRONG question, you will never get the RIGHT anwer. So, sometimes, check whether you are sking the RIGHT question.

3) I am trying my best NOT to give any answer but provide GOOD questions.

So, here comes a good question

What is leadership??

BTW, you learn more from the wrong answers..

Dreamer

leadership in my context is how to motivate and coax the people around you to follow your instructions closely and report if there are any discrepancy.

correct me please

I think coax is not the right word, "convince" should be used instead. Coax can be extremely misleading.

Leaders should have a vision and by leading, a leader would be able to share his vision with his/her team to own/take personal ownership to that vision and goal as well.

In your answer, leadership is a function/role done by you to get the job done. And, the way that you get the job done is by motivation.

This is a view of leadership but it is not complete. There are other way to lead by some other means..

Mavik,

You think that leadership resides on a person as opposed to what a person does. And, the person has to lead a team in order to be a leader.

A) A person that a position that allow him/her to lead a person is an organizational leader.

B) A person that lead by sharing vision and motivate people is an motivational leader.

1) (A) and (B) does not has to be the same person. You do not need to be someone's else boss in order to motivate and get someone to help you.

2) You are assuming that leadership has to do with a person. Leadership is a function by a person. It is what a person do that define whether he/she a leader. By the way, some times, in order for team to function, a person has to be the follower eventhough he/she might be the official team leader.

Dreamer

I always thought that leadership has to do with a person because it definitely has to involve a person at some level. How can we define leadership if there is no one to take the lead or how can we define the very core of function if there is no one to execute it? Unless you are speaking of leadership as a trait or a characteristic that defines a leader.

I do believe at every level, leaders do not just lead either functionally or by their position but they do much more in terms of like what you said, following or even serving their people. It is not about commanding.

But what I really want to know is that, can leaders be made/taught or are people born natural leaders? I guess in different situations and the different areas of leadership both can be applied.

i've seen natural born leaders, even they are not in leading position, people tend to listen to their words coz their words have the power that i do not know how to describe..this does not apply to working environment onli..it also apply to our daily group activities with family and friends.

of course there are ppl that learnt to be leader..ppl in this categories have to been thru a lot and experience lots of things to get them to the level, i'm in this category..i'm not a natural leader..i've been thru a hard way to earn the respect and to be where i am at now..

anyhow, just like to announce tht 2day is d big day..i'm goin off at 12.30pm later..please pray hard for me to get the job..i need not onli skills and knowledge to get d job, luck does play an impt role too

again, thank you all that being supportive all the way, i appreciate it very much..regardless i'm goin to succeed or failed d interview later, i'll do all my best \^o^/

Mavik,

You still think in term of leader as a person. It is more correct to think about leader as somebody that lead in certain situation.

For example, if you have a plumbing problem in your company and you called in a plumber to solve the problem. In that situation, you might be the CEO of the company but you are just a follower to the plumber. The plumber is the leader in solving plumbing problem.

If you see any survival type of movie, at any situations, it is whoever can deal with and convince people that they can and understand how to survive in a tough situatio that is a leader.

Leader is situational. Anyone can and will become leader as situation requires in a good functional team. Ditto, to be a good leader means you have to be a good follower and step aside for someone else to takeover if the situation requires it.


GenkiGal,

People listen to leader because they believe the leader will do the RIGHT thing for them.

Dreamer

thank you ol'wise one..

i'm back..2 hrs interview..mentally tired..
overall, nice company, nice job scope but i was disappointed bout the working hours and the salary.
it'll b 24X7 on shift job, which i'm not so keen on..
salary is not as promised 7k..it's around 5-6k but it can be negotiated..
plus d travel opportunities stated are to johor/penang coz there have branches there..overseas no promise..
sigh..i gav too much expectation on this job..

if they couldn't provide me as much as stated..i will reject the offer..coz travelling frm cheras to damansara is not cheap (3 tolls plus petrol - sprint highway)..what they offer minus transportation cost..it's almsot d same as what i got now..no point changing job then..

anyway, the company is unisys (www.unisys.com) ..sorry for keeping the company name so long till now.

GenkiGal,

There will be more opportunities in the future for you....

Dreamer

yeah..it was a good interview experienced..

this is the best interview i have ever attended..they asked real good questions..not like normal 'cha pa lang' company asked u those usual questions.

the australian interviewers are friendly and provide me enuf info about the job scope, the company n the future growth..have a real nice chat with them...

this company is definitely a good company to try on if u r searching for a job plus u stay somewhere in pj area..recommended !!!

i have no 'fate' with that job..so now have to wait till confirmation from unisys said they want me or they dont want me then onli adecco can assign me to another client..

Hey, sorry to hear that they didn't meet your expected remuneration package. I'm sure there is a better offer waiting for you somewhere. At least you get to experience a different set of questions during this interview

ermm..andykway..are u posting an advertisement in my thread?
is this allowed in this forum?

updates updates..

i'm just done with my tele-conferencing interview with unisys's project managers in US..hehehe..didn't update that after my 1st interview coz would like to inform u guys after this 2nd interview..got into this 2nd round 1 day after my 1st interview \^o^/

call me sakai or watsever, but their teleconferencing technology is very good..quite impress actually..haha

to Ken, nice having msn chat with u..hope that our discussion do help open up ur insight bout what u want in ur future career..just b confident with ur self,k..all da best to u