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 The Official Lowyat.NET Sintua Thread, A thread on Chinese folk religion.

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audreyreiko
post Jan 4 2016, 10:55 AM

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Just finished reading this after a couple weeks of slow reading. smile.gif

Went back to hometown recently and found that there is a tua yi pek temple fully painted in red just about 5 minutes away from my house, last time never knew what it was, now I know. smile.gif Though it was closed that day I passed by, my sis mentioned that she always see heibaiwuchang figures there and an old lady, probably the medium or the temple support.
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post Jan 4 2016, 11:16 AM

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@nachtsider This was taken off google streetview, based on an image a couple years ago, it's outdated because when looking at my house in the view it doesn't have the awnings build up yet, we got it done more than a year already.

This location hasn't been painted red, but recently i went pass it is fully red, not sure why..

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And I noticed this does not say "tua yee pek" but after painted red it does say "Tua yee pek" with some flags you see during the 7th lunar month where people normally put on the streets tat type.

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post Jan 4 2016, 11:27 AM

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Oh, and for the record, my hubby's family usually frequent the Lord Zhang's temple in Klang which you have previously mentioned, never knew it's a prominent one I just followed along because I wasn't very aware of these things in the beginning.
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post Jan 4 2016, 07:47 PM

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For the temple I mentioned, I can only find this on google:

https://foursquare.com/v/%E4%BF%9D%E9%9A%8D...4b0acb468652fa1


This is indeed the one near my house : 保隍殿
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post Mar 23 2016, 06:09 PM

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Wow, it must be a very unique experience! So long as the couple no pantang and the parents no pantang?
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post Jun 21 2017, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(SpikeMarlene @ Jun 2 2017, 01:22 PM)
But isn't this how a deity is born? It's not a Malaysia culture, it's more of a human proclivity ...
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I'm interested to know this too, this was how I thought most of the folk deities came to be?
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post Jun 28 2017, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 22 2017, 05:13 PM)
Unless the spirit of Karpal Singh manifests through this statue and can confirm his identity plus his divinity, this is nothing but a disgusting and blasphemous attempt to use his name and image for selfish purposes.

Surely deity Karpal Singh would have appeared to his family members and his DAP comrades first, or in a Sikh gurdwara, rather than in some shady Chinese temple with a dubious reputation.

His family should sue.
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Oic, thanks for the clarification.

So all the while I thought it started with people worshipping first then came the identification by the deity. So it's the other way around.
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post Jun 29 2017, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(Intergalactic @ Jun 29 2017, 03:56 PM)
The question arises:

People tend to use the Islamic rules such as no non-halal foods, no alcohol, no filthy animals, etc as reference when describing the Datuk (Malay).
Because people assuming that Datuk is a deceased Malay person's spirit whose faith in Islam and thinking that the Datuk still practising it, am I right?

Then why are people simply ignored some very important concepts in Islam, like a Muslim MUST ONLY serves to one God (Allah S.W.T) and there is no other than Him? Islam strictly prohibited deification of any human being. According to the Islamic teaching without question, the establishment of "partners" placed beside God is a great sin. The God in Islam (Allah S.W.T) may forgive any sin sorely except for this one.

So will a deceased Muslim person's spirit defy the teaching which he has practised for his entire life before and after his death?
I personally don't think so. Therefore, I highly doubt that the Datuk is a deceased Malay person's spirit.
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This is an interesting question, I've also wondered the same. It's like the nature of the non-halal, no alcohol rule of Datuk is very contradictory because if the Datuk is Islam, then he cannot be the same entity that would become a deity, and if he has become a deity, why would he still believe in Islam because what he is now is against the very teachings of Islam. Unless Sufi Islam is something entirely different?

Hope this does not come off as offensive, I'm just curious.
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post Jul 5 2017, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(CoolMorning @ Jul 4 2017, 06:41 PM)
I don't know. That's just the way/practice it has been since ages ago.

Keep in mind that deities are not yet the fully enlightened being, so the it's not comparable with Buddha or Bodhisattva qualities.

Many rules have to follow or else...
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Got such thing? We summore bring our full moon baby go temple for blessing.
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post Jul 5 2017, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 08:10 AM)
Menstrual blood is a highly 'yin' substance and is said to dampen the magic used in 'yang' rituals like those involving Heavenly gods.

It is for this reason that menstruating women are discouraged from attending temples where Heavenly gods are enshrined, although this of course does not equate to "you will be punished if you are on your period and go to the temple".
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Went to Klang Tian Sheng Gong before during period, takda masalah tongue.gif Tak kena marah
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post Jul 5 2017, 09:41 AM

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@Nachtsider: Btw is it 天圣宫 that you usually attend? The one my husband's family usually go is the one in Jalan Raksa, I got a bit confused previously which one it was because in Waze it pointed to two different 天圣宫, and the pictures you posted does not look like the one we attend.
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post Jul 5 2017, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 09:38 AM)
The Ma Zu statue from Fujian was brought on a tour of Malacca's sacred sites and related areas.

Also present were images of her impish attendants, Thousand-League Eye and Down-the-Wind Ears, plus a retinue of appropriately dressed devotees.

Here are some photos from the event.

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Nice pictures, I think this is the trip where they made news flying in the statue on Business class biggrin.gif
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post Jul 5 2017, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 09:44 AM)
Hi Audrey, I do not attend the Tian Sheng Gong, no, although I am more than aware of the one you are referring to (the Bukit Kuda establishment, which I understand is now somewhat dormant).

The place I attend is known as the Ling Sheng Tan/灵圣坛; we were formerly based in Kapar, but have since moved to Meru.
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Isit dormant? The last we went was nearly a year ago, seems pretty active to me, they even have extensions made to the place and extended the car park area, and held their annual fundraising banquets. The main deity is fatt zhu gong, but I hear he has a brother or something... (Not quite sure on this as in laws told me and they aren't sure also) and there are a few mediums who take turns (how does this work?), and indeed the mediums sometimes have poor health as you described.

We been going for years (I started following as in laws bring my hubs and kids for blessing and other queries)
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post Jul 5 2017, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 09:53 AM)
That's the one.  icon_rolleyes.gif

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My mum heritage from fujian putian, she will be interested to know their patron goddess came all the way to visit. biggrin.gif

I'm finding a news link for her if you have anything available?
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post Jul 5 2017, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 09:58 AM)
Last I went was April of this year, and things seemed very quiet then. The whole place had an air of disuse about it, from the way I saw things. All the renovation work seemed quite half-done, with only one somewhat sleepy committee member being present.

Yes, I am aware that Lord Zhang is the principal deity. He indeed has two sworn brothers, Lord Xiao and Lord Hong (see picture below; Lord Xiao is the green skinned gentleman, while Lord Hong has the red complexion). They were his fellow disciples when he was learning the mystic arts.

It is not uncommon for larger establishments to have several mediums to channel different deities, and to fill in for their colleagues when their colleagues are unavailable or incapacitated.

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Thanks for the clarification. So in this case how do they decide who is on duty today? Or is it usually the Principal one by default and only taken over by the brothers when he is not available?

Why would this temple become of disuse? Few ways that I can think of :
1. Medium constantly not available hence less followers come?
2. Followers stop coming becoz move to other temples? As you mentioned Ling Sheng Tan also channel the same deity and it's not too far away (I think?)
3. Something to do with template management? Politics?
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post Jul 5 2017, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 10:09 AM)
Thankie! I also found an english link for her.
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post Jul 5 2017, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 11:16 AM)
There is usually a sanctuary area in the temple or sintua where the medium's soul is safely housed while the trance is in progress.
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Wow never really thought of this question, interesting.
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post Jul 5 2017, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 08:43 PM)
This is why a trance is always commenced and concluded inside or at least within the vicinity of a temple or sintua, where the medium's soul may safely remain under protection of the deities therein.
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Always thought it is more because it is near to where the deities are so that is their "pejabat" for their work (trance).

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post Jul 5 2017, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(CoolMorning @ Jul 5 2017, 06:45 PM)
Full moon already 30 days. So can go to temples.
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But, I see no reason why newborn cannot go, or people who came in contact with newborn.

Newborn maybe not recommended to go because they're fragile, and ppl dont recommend for newborn to go out and "blow wind" becoz immune system stil no good, not becoz they evil. whistling.gif
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post Jul 5 2017, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 5 2017, 09:24 PM)
A medium in trance can venture many miles from a temple or sintua.

But the trance must commence in a temple or sintua first, and also end in one.
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How long can and should a medium stay in trance? How long can they take it? And what are the consequences for not releasing trance?

Actually, according to my hubs family, my in law sometimes will start to speak in a diff tone, kind of like in trance but without any ceremony, not sure which character is trying to speak thru her, but the family do not let this happen, they will shake her conscience back. Dont know how dangerous this is, but she seems fine, just occasionally will happen.

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