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 The Official Lowyat.NET Sintua Thread, A thread on Chinese folk religion.

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post Mar 8 2019, 10:15 AM

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It's a double celebration.

Both Ji Gong and Tua Pek Gong celebrate their birthdays today. rclxm9.gif

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post Mar 12 2019, 06:04 PM

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Hi Nacht, any recommendation of dua ji ya pek temple in penang island? and what are the days that they will normally have in trance ritual..
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post Mar 13 2019, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(ricardo_kaka @ Mar 12 2019, 06:04 PM)
Hi Nacht, any recommendation of dua ji ya pek temple in penang island? and what are the days that they will normally have in trance ritual..
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Hello Ricardo,

I recommend the Xun Yin Miao (formerly known as the Wang Teck Tua).

They are located in Ayer Itam at Jalan Halaman Zoo Dua.

Trance sessions are held every Monday, Wednesday and Friday from 9 p.m. to midnight.

You can call their rep at +60168809598 to make a booking.

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post Mar 13 2019, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Mar 13 2019, 08:13 AM)
Hello Ricardo,

I recommend the Xun Yin Miao (formerly known as the Wang Teck Tua).

They are located in Ayer Itam at Jalan Halaman Zoo Dua.

Trance sessions are held every Monday, Wednesday and Friday from 9 p.m. to midnight.

You can call their rep at +60168809598 to make a booking.

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Thank you for your recommendations. I'm amazed that this forum is still active since 2014, which is 4 years 3 months now. Keep sharing and thank you.
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post Mar 25 2019, 01:15 PM

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It is Guan Yin's birthday today.

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post Apr 6 2019, 08:22 AM

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Dear sifus, I want to ask one question about Qingming.
After praying and got down from the mountain cemetery, I was asked to take off shoes and rub my feet on the dirt at the base of the mountain.
What does this action means and what is the purpose? First time encountered this situation.

Thanks in advance.

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post Apr 6 2019, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(guardians @ Apr 6 2019, 08:22 AM)
Dear sifus, I want to ask one question about Qingming.
After praying and got down from the mountain cemetery, I was asked to take off shoes and rub my feet on the dirt at the base of the mountain.
What does this action means and what is the purpose? First time encountered this situation.

Thanks in advance.
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I am wholly unfamiliar with such a practice and am unsure what significance it could possibly hold.

I hope you washed your feet properly afterwards.

The risk of contracting worms is high.
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post Apr 7 2019, 09:30 AM

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hi nacht, slowly reading from page 4 so its a long way for me to finish the thread.

couple of questions i have, which i hope you can give me more understanding

1. my grandma recently passed away. she used to worship something called 后面 gong ? would like to know more about this deity ? as per the 'sai gong' instruction, since my grandma is the only one who worship and now that she is gone, we can just send him away?

2. now that my grandma has passed and nobody is living at her house on long term basis, what do we do with the deities that she worship ? she used to worship 大伯公, 观音, 天公, etc.

3. i am told that i am a godchild to 观音 by my families. What does this mean? i'm told that i am not supposed to consume beef but being someone who is not very religious i did not really bother with it. but reading your thread has sparked a certain interest in me and i would like to know more.

thanks for your time. i'm also from klang btw!
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post Apr 7 2019, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(klang.boy @ Apr 7 2019, 09:30 AM)
hi nacht, slowly reading from page 4 so its a long way for me to finish the thread.

couple of questions i have, which i hope you can give me more understanding

1. my grandma recently passed away. she used to worship something called 后面 gong ? would like to know more about this deity ? as per the 'sai gong' instruction, since my grandma is the only one who worship and now that she is gone, we can just send him away?

2. now that my grandma has passed and nobody is living at her house on long term basis, what do we do with the deities that she worship ? she used to worship 大伯公, 观音, 天公, etc.

3. i am told that i am a godchild to 观音 by my families. What does this mean? i'm told that i am not supposed to consume beef but being someone who is not very religious i did not really bother with it. but reading your thread has sparked a certain interest in me and i would like to know more.

thanks for your time. i'm also from klang btw!
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Hello klang.boy,

1. In the old days, 后面公 ('ao ber gong') in Hokkien parlance used to be a nickname for the Kitchen God, given that the kitchen was usually located at the rear of the home. These days, however, it has become an euphemism for random ghosts and wandering spirits that are offered appasement in exchange for them not bothering the appeaser. Try and find out which it was that your grandmother prayed to.

2. The correct way to dispose of unused statues and other religious paraphernalia is to ritually burn them (not something that a layperson can perform unaided). Alternatively, there are temples that 'adopt' said items. Contact your local temple to see if they provide disposal or adoption services.

3. If you are the godchild of a deity, it means that the deity has considered you as requiring his or her protection and TLC. It would be instructive to find out why. Perhaps you were sickly as a youngster, or bothered by evil spirits. The period of protection usually ends when the deity feels that their ward is capable of fending for themselves, although the bond is of course not wholly severed. A godchild is usually expected to observe their godparent's special days, taboos and other related customs. For your information, Guan Yin devotees are actually NOT expected to refrain from eating beef. This taboo is only promoted by a small subset of Guan Yin worshippers and totally pooh poohed by others.

So glad to see a fellow Klang resident here. I divide my time between Bandar Baru and Bukit Kuda. Do you attend a particular temple or sintua? smile.gif
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post Apr 7 2019, 07:48 PM

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Tua Li Ya Pek bid Lord Xuan Wu a very happy birthday.

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post Apr 10 2019, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(guardians @ Apr 6 2019, 08:22 AM)
Dear sifus, I want to ask one question about Qingming.
After praying and got down from the mountain cemetery, I was asked to take off shoes and rub my feet on the dirt at the base of the mountain.
What does this action means and what is the purpose? First time encountered this situation.

Thanks in advance.
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In some old tales, couples who wish to conceive are encouraged to step on the grass.

Check out this article...

https://www.star2.com/living/2019/04/02/qin...ng-shui-master/

On this day, Hoo said, some Chinese consider it good to head to the parks or nearby lakes or ponds, to refresh the body and absorb good qi. This “ritual” is called “Stepping the Green”. Previously, Qingming was also called the “Stepping the Green Festival” as it is a good time for outings with childhood friends and relatives, to appreciate the beautiful scenery of spring when trees grow fully and flowers start to blossom.

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post Apr 12 2019, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Apr 7 2019, 06:25 PM)
Hello klang.boy,

1. In the old days, 后面公 ('ao ber gong') in Hokkien parlance used to be a nickname for the Kitchen God, given that the kitchen was usually located at the rear of the home. These days, however, it has become an euphemism for random ghosts and wandering spirits that are offered appasement in exchange for them not bothering the appeaser. Try and find out which it was that your grandmother prayed to.

2. The correct way to dispose of unused statues and other religious paraphernalia is to ritually burn them (not something that a layperson can perform unaided). Alternatively, there are temples that 'adopt' said items. Contact your local temple to see if they provide disposal or adoption services.

3. If you are the godchild of a deity, it means that the deity has considered you as requiring his or her protection and TLC. It would be instructive to find out why. Perhaps you were sickly as a youngster, or bothered by evil spirits. The period of protection usually ends when the deity feels that their ward is capable of fending for themselves, although the bond is of course not wholly severed. A godchild is usually expected to observe their godparent's special days, taboos and other related customs. For your information, Guan Yin devotees are actually NOT expected to refrain from eating beef. This taboo is only promoted by a small subset of Guan Yin worshippers and totally pooh poohed by others.

So glad to see a fellow Klang resident here. I divide my time between Bandar Baru and Bukit Kuda. Do you attend a particular temple or sintua? smile.gif
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thanks for your time in maintaining this thread and taking the time to reply in detail nacht. appreciate it.

not sure if you are familiar with the place but my family frequents 木吒宫. i used to go there too when i was small.

on a separate note, i came across this video and i find it very interesting. any idea which deity is this ?


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QUOTE(klang.boy @ Apr 12 2019, 10:20 PM)
thanks for your time in maintaining this thread and taking the time to reply in detail nacht. appreciate it.

not sure if you are familiar with the place but my family frequents 木吒宫. i used to go there too when i was small.

on a separate note, i came across this video and i find it very interesting. any idea which deity is this ?


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The deity in the video is one that they claim to be a Netherworld official of some sort, but I have never seen him being revered in any Hell temples outside of Taiwan.

I do not put much stock in the authenticity of this deity or medium, given that I have viewed footage of him being entertained by strippers while in trance.

The 木吒宫 is very nicely situated; a grand old temple in the classic style (pic below is from the last time I visited).

Do they still do consults regularly?

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post Apr 16 2019, 04:38 PM

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Is there some sort of stories/mythology between the gods, like civil wars between them? If yes do you know where I can read more about them? Something like norse or greek mythology.
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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Apr 16 2019, 01:41 PM)
The deity in the video is one that they claim to be a Netherworld official of some sort, but I have never seen him being revered in any Hell temples outside of Taiwan.

I do not put much stock in the authenticity of this deity or medium, given that I have viewed footage of him being entertained by strippers while in trance.

The 木吒宫 is very nicely situated; a grand old temple in the classic style (pic below is from the last time I visited).

Do they still do consults regularly?

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I do recall a video of him entertained by strippers. but surely him being able to not blink at all is a feat, no? any chance you will get to ask tua ya pek / di ya pek about this? haha

i recall 木吒宫 used to be at a different location. back then my father always bring me there whenever there's a festive. and i do recall a deity asking me if i dont believe him. could be ji gong / dato gong, but tbh i was very small at that age and that frightened me a lot. did not really visit the temple since my father passed back in 2009 so i dont have any information on their consultations. a bit of a non-believer myself haha but this thread has certainly piqued my interest.

On a separate note, I hope this is not a repetitive question as I'm still halfway through your thread.

1. what is the difference between a demon and a ghost in sintua context? Are demons once human too?

2. what is the role of sai gong in a funeral? From what I've seen, they seem to be channeling heavenly powers to... gather the soul? If so, why are these rituals usually commenced at night? Why not day time too?

I think in a way I have grown interest in this is because my grandma was a strong believer in sintua and she was very committed. I recall my father was a very strong believer too. According to my family members, my father built a very impressive altar for guanyin at my old house, which unfortunately is no longer there after we moved out and rented the house out.

I've asked my mother if I was sickly or prone to spiritual disturbance when I was small, and if that's the reason I was adopted by Guan Yin, and the response I got is "are you crazy? you where got sick?" tongue.gif according to her, my father asked for me and my sisters to be adopted by Guan Yin, and that was how we were adopted. Are there cases like this?

I certainly appreciate you taking your time to share your knowledge in this. I might not have the commitment nor belief to be a religious sintua believer but I would like to understand my roots.
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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Apr 16 2019, 01:41 PM)
The deity in the video is one that they claim to be a Netherworld official of some sort, but I have never seen him being revered in any Hell temples outside of Taiwan.

I do not put much stock in the authenticity of this deity or medium, given that I have viewed footage of him being entertained by strippers while in trance.

The 木吒宫 is very nicely situated; a grand old temple in the classic style (pic below is from the last time I visited).

Do they still do consults regularly?

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I read the news hardwarezone forum. Is everything okay?
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I read the news hardwarezone forum. Is everything okay?
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It's all good.

Don't worry.
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QUOTE(klang.boy @ Apr 16 2019, 10:41 PM)
I do recall a video of him entertained by strippers. but surely him being able to not blink at all is a feat, no? any chance you will get to ask tua ya pek / di ya pek about this? haha

i recall 木吒宫 used to be at a different location. back then my father always bring me there whenever there's a festive. and i do recall a deity asking me if i dont believe him. could be ji gong / dato gong, but tbh i was very small at that age and that frightened me a lot. did not really visit the temple since my father passed back in 2009 so i dont have any information on their consultations. a bit of a non-believer myself haha but this thread has certainly piqued my interest.

On a separate note, I hope this is not a repetitive question as I'm still halfway through your thread.

1. what is the difference between a demon and a ghost in sintua context? Are demons once human too?

2. what is the role of sai gong in a funeral? From what I've seen, they seem to be channeling heavenly powers to... gather the soul? If so, why are these rituals usually commenced at night? Why not day time too?

I think in a way I have grown interest in this is because my grandma was a strong believer in sintua and she was very committed. I recall my father was a very strong believer too. According to my family members, my father built a very impressive altar for guanyin at my old house, which unfortunately is no longer there after we moved out and rented the house out.

I've asked my mother if I was sickly or prone to spiritual disturbance when I was small, and if that's the reason I was adopted by Guan Yin, and the response I got is "are you crazy? you where got sick?"  tongue.gif  according to her, my father asked for me and my sisters to be adopted by Guan Yin, and that was how we were adopted. Are there cases like this?

I certainly appreciate you taking your time to share your knowledge in this. I might not have the commitment nor belief to be a religious sintua believer but I would like to understand my roots.
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There are certain eye drops that, once applied, can negate the need to blink for quite a long while.

Fakers have a lot of tricks up their sleeves.

A ghost is defined as the spirit of a formerly living (i.e. physical) creature that is now dead.

A demon is defined as a malevolent supernatural being, of at least reasonable power level, that may or may not have been a living creature at some point in time.

Based on the above, one can conclude that a ghost has the potential to evolve or level up into a demon, but not all demons have ever lived or died in the physical sense.

The sai gong is a Taoist figure, not a sintua one, and therefore is out of the scope of this discussion.

It is quite unusual for a deity to accept somebody as a godchild on little to no pretext.

I can only speculate that Guan Yin might have been aware of something that your parents weren't, else she would not have just agreed like that.
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Interesting stuff but too bad TS is as above

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