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 The Official Lowyat.NET Sintua Thread, A thread on Chinese folk religion.

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putra23
post May 4 2016, 02:58 PM

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nachtsider... good sharing here. Took me several days to read all the posts. It is very rare to get articles in english on this subject. The pictures are awesome too. Keep up!

I've seen Tua Pek in action where the medium wears robes with a tall hat and sling bag full of hell money. He was holding a fan. Typical offerings are cigarette without filters, stout (referred as black oil), black coffee, pau and other food.

The deity looked friendly. Role as counselors and agony aunts. Sort of spiritual befrienders to listen to problems and offer advice. Cool.
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post May 9 2016, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ May 7 2016, 11:51 PM)
Hi Putra, thank you so much for reading my thread; I'm glad you're entertained. Please stay tuned; I promise to keep things fun. smile.gif

The tall boxy hats that Tua Ya Pek and Li Ya Pek wear are based on the hats worn by police constables during the Song Dynasty; they denote their status as officers of the spiritual law.

As mentioned previously, Tua Ya Pek's magic fan is a tool that he can use to draw the soul out of a person or creature's body, by waving it over the person/creature in question.

The Hell bank notes he carries in his sling bag are objects he can use as talismans to either bless the worthy or curse the wicked.

Unfiltered Camels are his favourite blend of cancer sticks; I have yet to see him partake of coffee, though Guinness Stout is always a hit with him ('black dog'/黑狗, not 'black oil', is what they call it in my neck of the woods, however, on account of the dark colour of the stuff and the Guinness bulldog mascot).

He is a cop first and foremost, with the responsibility of subduing spiritual criminals, but yes, he isn't beneath counseling those in need of a spot of advice. smile.gif

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Yes, Camels are his favorite ciggies. Other brand I've seen is Lucky Strike. Sometimes the ciggies are laced with opium (I assume, looks like thick soya sauce).

I wonder how come most mediums on trance with Tua Ya Pek and less common with 2nd Uncle?
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post May 31 2016, 03:14 PM

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nachtsider, Tua Pek Kong originated from Penang?
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post Jun 1 2016, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 1 2016, 06:24 AM)
No.

He was first worshipped in ancient China.
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Can you share more on Tua Pek Kong regarding the origins and history?
The version on wiki...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tua_Pek_Kong

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post Jun 6 2016, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 1 2016, 10:51 PM)
Tua Pek Gong is the wealth god aspect of Tu Di Gong, the Earth Deity.

This is a reference to how the soil was the source of wealth for many people in ancient times, who were farming folk.

Each locale usually has its own Earth God, so there are many different Tua Pek Gongs.

The original Tua Pek Gong, Zhang Fu De, was the devoted elderly manservant of a rich family who was well known for his generosity and was deified after he saved his master's small daughter from freezing to death in a blizzard, losing his own life in the process.

Penang's Tua Pek Gong, although also named Zhang, is obviously not the same person.

He is *A* Tua Pek Gong, not *THE* Tua Pek Gong.

The Wiki article is therefore incomplete/incorrect, as it describes Tua Pek Gong as a single entity.
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Thanks. No wonder the image for both deities are similar. I like the *A* and *THE* explanations.

Once I witness a medium on trance with Tua Pek Kong. The devotees asked for toto numbers, think combination of six numbers. He replied that the results are "fixed". shocking.gif
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post Jun 9 2016, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 8 2016, 10:16 AM)
Of course the results are fixed. Does that revelation honestly surprise you?  bangwall.gif
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All along suspected the results (grand jackpots one especially) are fixed. Just surprised the deity confirms that.

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post Jun 13 2016, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 12 2016, 01:28 PM)
I would advise your relative to get input from an electrician to prevent further electrical fires. The source of the explosion is clearly the right-hand electric candle.
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What about fire on the joss stick urn? Heard that it is an auspicious sign.
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post Jun 27 2016, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jun 27 2016, 09:40 AM)
I'll go one better and give you video.  biggrin.gif


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Cool. Thanks for sharing. Would be nice if there is English subtitles to describe this event.
Btw' around 9 minutes, what is the deity with green face? The green color similar as Hulk the super hero.
The subsequent ones are datuk Kongs?
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post Jul 5 2016, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(sales.convenience @ Jul 3 2016, 10:37 PM)
The green face deity is a datuk gong , exact which one I am not sure.
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I see... Datuk shrines usually associated with green too.
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post Jul 27 2016, 04:27 PM

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Hello Nacht,
There is a deity celebration today (6th lunar month 24th day) for "Ngo Lui Sian Soo" at a local shrine. As I understand, "Ngo" is translated as 5, are the celebrations for Five Camp Commanders? Or it is referring to other deities?
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post Jul 28 2016, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jul 27 2016, 06:46 PM)
'Ngor Lui Sian Soo' translates to 'Wu Lei Xian Shi'/五雷仙师 or Master of the Five Thunders.

The name is not familiar to me, but suggests that he is a thunder deity of some description.
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Perhaps Lei Gong could be among the 5 deities as there is a statute with garuda features.
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post Aug 9 2016, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Aug 8 2016, 11:52 AM)
Hell deities love to drink.

The harder the liquor, the better.

Guinness Stout is the minimum strength booze you can offer them.

Most Heavenly gods don't drink very much by comparison, although there are exceptions.
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Besides stout, I recall another favorite liquor offered is "Golden Bell Chinese Wine".

Which heavenly deities loves to drink? Ji Gong should be in the list.

Another deity I'm unsure is "Shaolin Sian Soo". I think birthday on 10th month 5th day of chinese lunar calendar. Devotees usually offer Ling Zhi medicated liquor from Hai-O. Are you able to identify and share more on this god?

PS: Thanks for sharing the pictures.

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post Aug 22 2016, 10:30 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Aug 22 2016, 06:14 PM)
It is only natural that someone of culture/faith X will seek religious specialists of culture/faith X despite being faced with black magic originating from culture/faith Y. This decision is always made out of cultural/religious familiarity and personal convenience. If the power of your religious specialists is sufficiently strong, it really does not matter that the black magic you are facing originates from a different faith/culture.

I'll give you a real-life example.

Pregnant couple (we'll call them Steve and Jenny) came to my teacher's place to consult Tua Ya Pek. I was there to help clerk their case. Jenny had been dreaming of a sinister old Malay-speaking Nyonya-ish woman who told her that she would take her baby and eat it alive (obviously a pontianak). Steve told her not to think too much of this, until Jenny started bleeding from the birth canal. Doctors did scans and all that and said that things were fine, but they were scared stiff, the baby being very precious due to them having tried for a long time, and begged Tua Ya Pek to help.

Tua Ya Pek gave them a talisman that Jenny had to wear around her pregnant belly, and told them that the next time the pontianak came by, "She's gonna wish she never died."

Few nights later, Jenny dreamt of the pontianak trying to physically attack her, but the vampiress burst into flames the moment she tried to lay a hand on Jenny. Jenny said she could hear the pontianak screaming in pain even after she woke up in a cold sweat. Steve didn't hear any screaming, but he heard a loud flapping noise outside the bedroom window like some sort of large bird was trying to get in. All they could do was hold each other tight until the noises eventually stopped.

No more trouble at all after that. Baby Rachel was born smoothly, is now a talented teenager and has totally no clue about what threatened her in the past.
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Very fascinating sharing. thumbup.gif
It renews our faith in the deities. More please....
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post Nov 14 2016, 03:14 PM

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Hello Nacht,

In the first picture, why the another deity statute is outside the shrine?
Also Datuk kong?

First time seeing yellow shrine. The usual ones I encounter are red and sometimes green. Is the shrine colour according to the Datuk's preference?

Is it true that those work consume pork during the day are not allowed to pray to Datuk kong?
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post Nov 17 2016, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Nov 14 2016, 07:13 PM)
Hello Putra,

The statue outside the shrine is the original Datuk statue, which has been replaced by the new one currently sitting inside.

Red is the standard colour that retailers provide, although this can of course be altered to whatever colour the Datuk within may desire.

Green is the Islamic colour, of course, while yellow is the colour of Malay royalty.

You should never be in close proximity with a Datuk shrine if you have consumed non Halal food or drink.

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Dec 27 2016, 11:08 AM)
Today, it came to my knowledge that Puay, my teacher's successor and our current medium, has completed his contract with his divine patrons (Na Zha, primarily) and will no longer channel.

My teacher's sintua will once again fall into dormancy, it would seem.

While this is sad in a way, I am happy for Puay, as he will be able to enjoy more time with his wife and three small children; his wife was always concerned about the hazards he faced as a medium.

Thank you for your service and for the splendid memories, my friend.

Godspeed and best wishes.


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Most of the mediums I know seem to be serving for life. Are there any difference between those with contracts and those serving till ripe old age?

Hope your teacher's temple can get a new medium.

I witness a temple/shrine that lived a glorious past. Celebrations days packed with devotees coming with lots of offerings. Chinese opera going for days. Things started to decline after the long time medium passed away. There were periods of no mediums and also the temple moved from town to the suburbans. Many older folks who do not have transport could not visit the temple as often. These days, celebration days are very quiet. No more operas too. The committee members which served 40-50 years seem to accept the fate that very few new or younger devotees are visiting. Could the deities help to revive in this situation?
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post Jan 9 2017, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jan 7 2017, 09:43 PM)
In Penang today; visited the prayer material store that I always drop by whenever I'm in town.

They're on Lebuh Kimberley and pretty impressive.

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Whenever you are in Penang, which sintuas do you typically visit?
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post Jan 11 2017, 03:49 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Jan 11 2017, 07:50 AM)
There are four Tua Li Ya Pek/Hell themed sintuas, one at Gat Lebuh Noordin, one in Jelutong and two in Ayer Itam.

Also, a Ji Gong sintua in Kepala Batas.
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Cool. Looking forward to see more sintua scenes from various places. cool2.gif
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post Mar 27 2017, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Mar 21 2017, 02:46 PM)
The Georgetown City God Temple is one of Malaysia's oldest religious establishments, and features the oldest pair of Tua Li Ya Pek in the country.

It is a must visit for any sintua enthusiasts or Hell deity worshippers.

Pics taken by yours truly in 2015.

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Thank you Nacht for the pictures. Besides Tua Li Ya Pek, are you able to identify the deities in the pictures?

I heard that during the colonial era, triad disputes in Georgetown were usually held on neutral grounds at the Goddess of Mercy temple, Pitt street. Very serious triad matters or crimes were held at this City God temple.


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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Mar 27 2017, 05:42 PM)
Accompanying Tua Ya Pek is the City God, the local spiritual magistrate.

He is flanked by a pair of Niu Tou and Ma Mian, the Ox-Headed and Horse-Faced Hell enforcers (I forgot to include them in the shot taken below).

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Accompanying Li Ya Pek are seven fairy maidens in the service of Zhu Sheng Niang Niang, the fertility goddess who grants children to barren couples.

Standing behind the maidens is Tua Pek Gong, the wealth god aspect of the Earth God.

Zhu Sheng Niang Niang herself is represented by a plaque behind Tua Pek Gong.

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Your anecdote regarding the history of the temple is correct.

Khoo Thean Teik, then-leader of the Hokkien-dominated Khian Teik secret society, was its patron.

Several attempted peace talks with the Khian Teik society's longtime enemies, the Cantonese-dominated Ghee Hin, took place there.
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Why the statue of Tua Pek Gong is placed in between Zhu Sheng Niang Niang's plaque and the fairy maidens? Could not figure out the logic here.
Perhaps the Tua Pek Gong statue was introduced later in the temple and there were no space available? hmm.gif

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