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 V17 Property Bubble (Is there a bubble at all ?), Property Inflated or Inflation ?

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post Jan 2 2015, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(CK15 @ Jan 2 2015, 05:20 PM)
Commonwealth recognized gradutee not able to interpret the msg correctly..... very sad!
... people said, US is using QEs to boost the economy when in the deep shit, but u says another way round... This kind of quality, speedless!
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Commonwealth recognized cert, LCCI, Some Business cert, all also commonwealth countries recognized mah, what big deal ? My Humble Toilet Paper also Commonwealth Countries Recognized mah.. tongue.gif

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 2 2015, 05:37 PM)
zuiko, not sked, just feel not worth it ... I know property game sudah over, so got to choose the best one  thumbup.gif
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No such thing as worth it or not, that's the price you need to pay for property now, game over for you soon coz soon you can no longer afford any property, you are joining Prody rent for life.. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 2 2015, 05:50 PM)
lol I am clown then?
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post Jan 2 2015, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(tnang @ Jan 2 2015, 06:09 PM)
怀有以下七种想法的人,可是很难买得到房的哦。大家可要看清楚咯!
Seven type of mind set that make it very difficult for them to get a property !

1、永远认为房价还会跌的人。
这种人每天都在盼望崩盘,最好是开发商把房子都造好了再倒贴给他,在等待奇迹会发生的梦中人!
Always think property price will drop someday
These type of people wish for property crash, at best developer can actually sell to them at loss, they always wish for miracle to happened *Dreamer".


2、永远总是慢人一拍的人。
看房的时候,这好那也好一到关键时候就磨磨唧唧,当断不断,犹犹豫豫,总是等机会过去了再懊悔的人。
Always slow poke type
When ever they go & see a property, they keep thinking & thinking, dragging their feet, think east think west, wanna buy donna buy, always wait till the opportunities bygone or over & then starts regretting.


3、永远都不相信开发商和中介的人。
这些人永远都以自己为中心,宁可自己负天下人不能天下人负我!世界上没有纯为人民服务的开发商也没有永远坦诚的中介,毕竟大家都是做生意要吃饭的,关键是你怎么去看怎么去对待!
Would never trust developer & agent type
This type of self centered people would always think is better for me to take advantage on the whole world rather than let anyone trying to take advantage on me, one need to know there is no 100% honest developer & agent, after all every one just doing their job & earn a living, it is how you handling the deals that counts.

4、永远总是看而不买的人。
这些人不是不想买,而是总想多看几套结果一看就不可收拾,房子总是越建越好,价格却也越升越高,好不容易看好了一套一问价格傻了,怎么和我当初看的价格差这么多呢?
Those who only wanna see but never wanna commit to buy
Some of these people actually wanna buy, but just wanna see a few more, then a few more & again a few more, there are always better built better design, better concept along the way, by the time they decide & come back to the house they first thought of buying " Holly crap when i see it previously it was so much cheaper, how come now price increased again.  alamak


5、永远相信专家的话。
孰不知那些天天喊房价要跌的专家其实一边在喊跌一边却在到处抄底,试问下那位专家不都是有好几套房子?如果房价靠那些整天就知道吹牛皮的专家能跌下来,那……那你相信吗?
Those who only believed in Guru, expert, journalist
Unknown to them those who claim property crash coming, price will sure drop soon, this theory that theory, this prediction that prediction, specialist, guru, expert, property author, tell me which of them didn't own a few property them self ? you actually think the entire property market can crashed down based on a few bull expert ? Oh come on !



6、永远都在等待房价跌到谷底的人。
这些人就跟炒股票一样,天天在等抄底,可是又有几个能知道谷底在哪呢?

Those forever waiting for the lowest price
Just like equity@share market, everydays waiting for lowest price, so how many of you actually know when is the lowest price ?

7、永远总想买套十全十美的房子。
这些人往往口袋里都没几个钱,所以总想把钱用在刀刃上!实际上有见过十全十美的房子吗?结果在看了N套房子后终于觉得累了困了,明白了房子原来是不能没有缺点的,在遇到一个黑中介或者是黑心开发商拼命地忽悠下一头就栽进去了,最后就整天在lowyat/kopitiam怨天怨地怨
Always waiting for the perfect price for the perfect house
Many of them doesn't have much in their pocket, they always talk about "Berbaloi" "Worth it" "Best value for money" ask yourself this have you seen one ? after seen many house till tiring, you should understand there is no perfect house, surely some how rather there is some imperfection here & there, these they of people probably will end up meeting a super con agent or developer, end up getting real bad deal,& whole day kao pek kao bu in lowyat kopitiam...    tongue.gif



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This post has been edited by jolokia: Jan 2 2015, 06:58 PM
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post Jan 2 2015, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(JasonW13 @ Jan 2 2015, 07:02 PM)
Hi sifus need your advice. I spotted a subsale single landed freehold and the agent told me the below stories. I am inexperience hence appreciate if you could advise a little or two.

1. Owner of the house never check the condition of the house since the purchase which is 8-9 years ago.
2. Owner of the house never collect the key from developer.
3. Owner has been serving the loan but still got outstanding of few thousand.
4. Developer has confiscated the house key of the owner in view that he never collect the key.
5. Developer will give out the key to owner provided he finished serving the outstanding, which is a few thousand left only.

With that, I am unable to check the interior condition of the house because agent said the key is with the developer. Does it sounds fishy to you?

What should I do to avoid been conned?

TQ for your advice.
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Don't buy biggrin.gif

I remember a story shared by a fellow member in PT, he bought a DSL thru auction, never bother to check the condition of the house for few years, just paying the mortgage & other bills, till the day he wanna sell of the house, he went over to see the house, only he realized the house was occupied by a bunch of people, he check with them they claim nobody ever come collect rental, so they just stay there, owner told them to move out as he wanna sell the house, they refused as claim got no where to go, owner then cut off the electric & make a police report, the same night 50 people come to owner resident, "Requesting him" to reconnect the electric power. (Imaging how on earth these 50 people know where he stay ? brows.gif )

Till date we have not heard how the owner able to solve the issue or sell of the property.. wink.gif

Think 2 lah.. hoh cool2.gif
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post Jan 2 2015, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(kradun @ Jan 2 2015, 07:19 PM)
Very long vacant unit liveable or not? How badly damaged is still unknown. Owner just ask for very cheap price?
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post Jan 3 2015, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 3 2015, 09:07 AM)
maybe 4.5k nett kot ... plus other allowance/income  another 2k kot
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Cheat mileage claim till 2K ah, walau eh this one should gets hand chopped.

4.5K niah !

Thought how much wanna dog eye me o0o

Mean your income lowest among here loh.. Dog eye you now.. whistling.gif




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post Jan 3 2015, 01:04 PM

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QUOTE(andrewcha @ Jan 3 2015, 12:42 PM)
much more than me lo even 4.5k
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He is 10 years older than you, So called Commonwealth countries recognition degree holder, no house, no car, only got 3 credit cards & 25K FD.

You are better than him right ?

Actually we never look down on him base on his income, is his attitude & selfishness & like to dog eye other & day & night looking at chances to take advantage on his families that make us look down on him.

See ! though your income not as much (for now) you know where you stand, you buy what you can afford, not dreaming like him getting 600K property with 400K capabilities, when not enough looking at father, mother, sister, uncle, GF, GF sisters, in law to sxcker, worst still doing unethical thing like claim extra mileage when travelling, whi knows he might takes lots of under table as well.. >_>


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QUOTE(kradun @ Jan 3 2015, 01:37 PM)
Not that young that time, was already 26. Did u file ur income tax? The form stated 2012 mean based on which year salary? Just as simple as that.

Jolokia not like u keep wana see people ccris.. u day night wana see but i really cant help u on that..  brows.gif

Although i told u to hantam with 1/3 but i can hantam using 1/6 or 1/9 ma, depend on how much risk i want to take.. i am pretty conservative fella so still prefer buying from near to 0 to no risk..  brows.gif
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I told him 1/6 nett income can buy a house already, he sibeh bo song me, ask me hantam till max, don't understand him ?? we buy what we can afford mah ! we have other things to take care off in our life also, everything must put into property meh !

Also depends can find the property we like mah ! buta2 whack meh !

Now I understand why he always mentioned average & mean income of Malaysia as a whole, his income is at that range. .kekeke

Very difficult for him to imagine anyone younger but make better income than him, because he thought he is already the best among his little circle...

Ah Bear mileage claim where can add into official income, your 4.5K nett mean you should buy something like Mahkota Residence, Pearl Avenue or OUG Parklane niah, anything higher you'll be very suffer leh, later married a lot of unforseen expenditure one.

Since you like Kajang so much buy loh ! Sg Chua close to highway mah ! your income can never beat the momentum of property price keh ! buy before price run away again.

Somemore close to your PAMA house mah, can go back stick eat stick drink...lol

Ah Bear you got fill in Borang B before ah ? BTW guy nowadays what is the minimum income need to pay tax ah ? 4.5K nett need to pay tax or not ? Mileage claim not inside EA form right ?

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QUOTE(zuiko407 @ Jan 3 2015, 03:06 PM)
Aiyo! Luckily I'm at home, is this the one you're looking for?
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Waa today documents showing day ah ? Zuiko I more interested in the IWC brows.gif
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 3 2015, 03:21 PM)
Knn who closed the thread???
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Donno ? Could be accidentally touch that function kua ?? Soli soli

So SifuahBear confirmed those FD not his one lah ! now I suspect the 20K in Kajang branch also not his, only 25K loh like this ? Rumah WIP also tak cukup.

Told him already mah ! Buy Rumah WIP 4.5K nett mean gross 5K+ only loh, my guess correct mah gross 5.1K.

Meaning that 3.7K really his own income loh ! after confirmation 4K, last year got 1.1K increment, so 5.1K gross nett 4.5K, if use 1/3 nett buy property can get 300-400 tokens only,

Why wanna lie ? Haiya we not laugh at his income but his mentality & attitude mah.

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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jan 3 2015, 04:04 PM)
TS, u need to record bbw admitted those FD not his that post ya......  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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QUOTE(andrewcha @ Jan 3 2015, 04:57 PM)
i am 30 liao lo.
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Don't worry you got your house liao ! While he still dreaming of it.

Ah Bear I went to Pearl Avenue Liao Knn your Kajang Sungai Chua also invaded by Middle East leh.. Easily 25% of the shop under Pearl Avenue is own by Middle East. Someomore dare to laugh at PARC One South & East Lake..

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Jan 3 2015, 05:58 PM)
you should draw up conclusion like flippers/property investors has such a less holding powers, even middle east also they allow to rent when they just merely bought for 250+ and 300k+ worth of property...

let see those 400k, 500k like Jliew units to rent to who.. shall we?

these are the owners that will pull down the price, given the bad property market due to speculation.. good show is just around the corner
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Your laoya SG Chua sibeh kampung mah ! Only 1-2 building looks new, the rest like 70's Kampung area, no wonder Zuiko also said EM & SEH more potential, Kajang beh pakai one lah ! But

hoh you don't song2 first oh ! Pearl Avenue 300 tokens entrance leh ! Now you already need to pay 120-150K premium leh ! Somemore ulu surrounding.

QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 3 2015, 06:00 PM)
Dun flip ice cream.
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Ais Krim boy wanna switch over to Ramen business leh ! Recently he quite active in Food thread.

Maybe he think of flipping food, I know quite few fellow kena burn kao2 in F & B industry, as too competitive & food can't be kept like other goods & basically no resale value in case can't sales in time.

QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jan 3 2015, 06:07 PM)
Don't worry me Bearbear, mirage n z residence I not even touch yet despite of I got the key long time ago  tongue.gif
Burning money month  brows.gif
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He wanna help you manage your property ?? Seem like very kepoh people can rent or keep vacant..

Ah Bear seems like interested in your Property the most..

QUOTE(kradun @ Jan 3 2015, 06:29 PM)
Everytime see bear2 care for owners feel really touching..  cry.gif
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Ah Bear is stalking Jliew properties, maybe he is like those shark swimming around waiting for Jliew to give up his property with X-200K, but even with that price he still can't afford with his 25K FD & 4.5K Salary + those inflated mileage claim..kekeke
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 3 2015, 04:52 PM)
Having property under loan doesn't contribute anything to proof of funds. It seem the uuu herd are more suitable to highly geared speculation, not qualified for overseas investment.
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Lu got use brain to think before post boh ? you think bank simply loan to those with RM 5 per hour wages like you is it ?

If Bank willing to loan meaning one are capable of paying the loan with adequate income.

You go get a 500K property loan with ice cream stall cru member pay slip & see can get LO or not ?
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jan 3 2015, 09:24 PM)
You could proved me wrong by buying overseas.
You could try to obtain proof of funds from your banks and see what you get.

Basically uuu herd are mostly syok sendiri jaguh kampung.
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My LO approved within few days mah ! Prove Bank trust me loh whistling.gif

Jaguh whatever ! Beat you is all that's count.. Hahaha

Told u to leave F&B line & don't compete with Bangla, Indon & Myanmar, you can't beat them in cheap wages & long working hours.
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jan 3 2015, 10:55 PM)
Erm where Bearbear? Already kecut after see kradun document  tongue.gif
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I meet up with Bear2 in the evening just now at a middle east restaurant just below Pearl Avenue Sg Chua Kajang, he ask me where to find empty EA form to fill in, I told him HR dept if not just use computer duplicate 1 using words or excel file, the meeting was a short one as Bear2 rush back to his PAMA house in Kajang, probably preparing the dupe EA Form... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(AppreciativeMan @ Jan 4 2015, 08:30 AM)
Please don't miss lead other readers........ Bbw don't hav FD......... It's his parent's FD.......  tongue.gif  tongue.gif
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Don't be so harsh on him, I believe 1 of the 5K FD IS his one lah.

He got 3 credit card mah ! Can use for DP.

Ah Bear life very miserable leh ! His mama got all the Gold & Silver mountain but he can only see but cannot touch, that why day & night he is waiting, but while waiting he did nothing for himself.

Just like keep on waiting for GST to help him bulldozer property market to have 10-20% correction.

He really remind me of those useless Yee Sai Zhou @ Siew Yeh in those classic Chinese TV series, whole day do nothing but gambling, drinking, go kacau girl, look down on the poor people & waiting for their PAMA to pass them the ancestors wealth.

Now he is calculating his PAMA land in Sepang worth 1 million per acre already.

No wonder no efforts in life, just keep waiting & waiting.



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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Jan 4 2015, 08:33 AM)
Next time BS 'll target his gf's kai ka lou aka zuiko boss tongue.gif
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Hahaha ! I only know Ais Krim boy target Zuiko watch.

Donno why Ais Krim Boy think wealth is equal to the watch on one wrist.

Then I must admit been very poor as my most expensive watch bought with less than 1K & I seldom wear it.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 4 2015, 08:33 AM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3449498/+2060

Please post at dedicated property price up and down thread. Ty.
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Once again I would like to thank our mod Cherroy for forwarding topic to my thread, but once again I would like to emphasis that my thread merely talking about pricing, not raw material cost what not, & definitely not a recycle bin for unwanted thread from Property Talk, if Cherroy is so afraid of upsetting advertiser, please just close the unwanted thread & tell those who started it please do not start thread to upset my advertising client aka developer as Lyn need advertising income to survive.
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QUOTE(JasonW13 @ Jan 4 2015, 09:06 AM)
To add on, he seems to b kiasu also n must win over every arguement or anyone who challenge or poke his true face. If he can't argue over, then twist his word to favor himself.

Nowadays buying property still accept credit card for DP? Thought just banker cheque or cheque or cash? Not sure about this lol. If can accept credit card then can swipe three cards at diff amount to combine payment for one same thing? Hmmmm...
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One of his credit card 2K limit niah, if I remember it correctly all 3 credit card combined credit limit less than 35K.

Previously he said wanna use credit card to pay DP then slowly pay off during constructions period of 3 years.

He keep on telling us he & gf combined got 200K FD, but when we push him to show, his figures getting smaller & smaller later less than 50K, lastly he shows 25K (somemore in few pieces FD slips then took him another fee weeks to show 1 with 20K but location of the bank unusually at different locations, so we suspect thats nit his one.

Bear2 words cannot be trusted one.

Actually nothing to brag if he have 25 millions or 25K FD, just that he like to dog eye on other & refused to believe anyone better of than him, his circle are very limited & sibeh holian of himself been having a commonwealth countries recognition cert & earn 4.5K salary.

Actually LCCI & Basic Marketing or Business Admin cert also Commonwealth countries recognition cert mah.. kekeke


QUOTE(JasonW13 @ Jan 4 2015, 09:32 AM)
So what should v do now?
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Don't be so serious lah ! sometimes just a friend fire across enemy line niah.. kekeke

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