But... A6000 AF isn't doing well, very poor in-fact in low-lit condition. Far from my expectation after really using it for a while. It either hunts or totally can't get a focus lock when the condition is not well-lit although through the viewfinder, lines between objects are still very distinguishable yet it just won't lock!!!

Olympus and Panasonic seems to be doing better on their M43 for low light focusing.

Sony's own A7S also doing far better but that one is a lowlight king, maybe unfair to put them into comparison.

IMO, Sony has to improve on its contrast AF for lowlight focusing. Like how Panasonic is doing so well with just Contrast AF (and that "DFD" thingy). Based on reviews, even though it uses just Contrast AF, its speed is on par or even better than other mirrorless camera incorporating Phase Detect AF.

Sometimes in lowlight and not in a rush situation, I will just go for MF instead. AF is just too unreliable in lowlight.
Above comments are made with the AF Assist Light OFF. TBH, the af assist light is just too "intrusive". Had to keep it off unless forced by the condition.

i am saying A7s compare with a7ii without any adapter on native FE lens lah noob. read before reply pls.  

a77 for the win...

Why do people say the A7S (at RM62xx street price) is expensive? The A900 was RM7xxx street price, and yet a lot of us bought it.

When the A99 came out at slightly lower, people said it was expensive. Same for the A7S. If you consider the price is the same despite inflation and weaker ringgit, it actually became cheaper for more advanced technology!

want ask about buying lense at Sony store
if u're a sony member, buy at store, u'll get 10% off
isit true?

ok thanks .... i will go for a6000, but prices is confusing now .... some selling at 2000 to 2300 ....

what is current best prices for a 6000 with kit lens or single body ??? cause garage sales prices a bit confusing ...

i saw a lot selling at 2000 with kit lens + 16sd card + extra battery and local unit .....
should pay a visit soon

i saw there is some one selling at 1899 ..... shop time sq, but when i contact him he said no more stock ...

i just bought in shop for rm 1950 base on mudah ad ....
that extra 16sd card and battery + beg (which i don't need)

not really argue la .... i already said make payment n collect in the shop from ad i see in mudah ...... but he have to butthurt cause shop can sell a lot cheaper than him (this is reason why i quoted his sell link)....
unbelievable 
no worry mate, just bought new cam and now enjoy playing it ....   

think back, is that sign of new a 7000 coming out soon ??? hehehehe

Yah agree with him but my is different n his intention, i don't do post, only COD .... cause i make my living with internet

hahhaah me is different case, very hard to full swap to sony, my last related to sony is minolta 8000i

bought mine for rm1800 at lazada..with standard acessories

at that time i have multiple lazada discount coupon (lazada year end sale+mastercard diskaun and etc)

Just FYI, bokeh from the Sigma 19 at 2.8:


Handful of Red by Eirakkun, on Flickr

Posted before, reposting for illustration.

And that water image thing that he was using as a sample:


30mm Splash by Lucas absent pour le moment mais reviens bientôt;, on Flickr

THAT, was taken with the Sigma 30 (a standard range, 45mm equivalent lens on APS-C) at 3.2. Do go to the Flickr page and check the EXIF.

My 19mm pic was taken near MFD with the Berries being the focal point. The Water thing also seems to have been taken near MFD with the splash being the focal point.

So yeah, compare. IMHO the 30mm has "better" (more quantity/quality) bokeh even when it's actually set to a slightly smaller aperture.

*Granted, the MFD of each lens, amongst other things, should also differ, though we are not considering that due to the nature of this discussion.*

Really, the original question was (as far as I understood it) "Will the Sigma 19mm f2.8 (or any closely equivalent wide prime) have the *same amount/quality bokeh* as a 30mm f2.8 (or any equivalent standard prime)" - with everything else being equal, including MFD - and the answer here is a clear NO.

The 19 (or any "wide") can have bokeh, but even in a best case scenario (closest focus, widest aperture) it will lose *bokeh quality/quantity wise* to the 30 (or any "standard" lens). In turn, the 30 will lose to a 60 (or any other "tele") of the same max aperture setting.

*All this IS, if we discount MFD differences and just look at the lenses from FL/aperture settings alone, shot from the same "relative" distance from the subject (ie. subject looks about the same size)*

There are no two ways around it. Focal Length (and by extension, aperture) does influence bokeh, at least in quantity/quality of the blurred out parts itself. Not just whether or not it will be blurred out. After all, the term "bokeh" itself is used to quantify the "aesthetic" quality of the blur, and not just whether the background will blur out or not.

Heck, if you really want to follow the term to its absolute meaning, some argue that "bokeh" is specifically about the quality of ONLY the blurred out highlights (see the many yellow half circles in my Sigma 19 shot's background) rather than the blur itself.

Though for the sake of our collective sanity let's just stick with bokeh = amount/quality of blur. AFAIK anyway.

And this is based on both sensors on both examples being APS-C size (A6k on my example, a NEX3 from the water splash).

HOWEVER, if you consider MFD / focusing distance differences, a 30mm 1:1 macro at f8 is capable of obliterating (bokeh quality/quantity wise) a 85mm normal tele at f2.8 simply by going all close to the subject, but that's a different story altogether.

Oh and if you wanna go all bokehlicious, this is how you do it:


Telephoto Flower by Eirakkun, on Flickr

Taken with a Jupiter-37A 135mm at f3.5... on my old A200. Mmmm creamy bokeh goodness.

Granted, I never really did find any good use for that particular FL on APS-C (135 = 202mm equivalent). It was too long for anything practical, for me anyway. In the end, I sold the lens off without even using it much.

Hence why FL choice is IMHO more important to me than bokehlicious bokeh, coz all the bokeh in the world won't motivate you to use an FL you don't particularly like anyway.

Like now, specs-wise my SEL35 is bokeh-ly and technically (with OSS, PDAF, superior build quality and lower distortion) superior to my Sigma 19. But the lens I use 85% of the time is still the Siggy, simply because I like the FL more.

I don't think it's noise you're seeing. It should be water spritz. If it was noise, it would've appear in the darker parts of the image as well and not only at a single patch. furthermore, its shot at iso200